What should be the moderator's job here?

If we can't behave like intelligent and sensible people, and together maintain a good place to hang around a bit and discuss photography, not even invoking the pope will help to create that free and civilized place here.
Isn't there enough culture and control within ourselves?

Bart
No, there isn't. Remember when Walt was incessantly bashing the slt? Any normal moderation would have limited these posts, and allowed his positive inputs to remain. Instead it produced a schism in the forum, because it was left unchecked for far too long, imo.

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IQ is not judged exclusively by high iso noise performance
 
If we can't behave like intelligent and sensible people, and together maintain a good place to hang around a bit and discuss photography, not even invoking the pope will help to create that free and civilized place here.
Isn't there enough culture and control within ourselves?

Bart
No, there isn't. Remember when Walt was incessantly bashing the slt? Any normal moderation would have limited these posts, and allowed his positive inputs to remain. Instead it produced a schism in the forum, because it was left unchecked for far too long, imo.
You and I know people of any kind even in our personal environment. Some grumpy, some lovable, some stubborn, some hilarious, some rude, some amicable, and so on. Should the irritating ones all be eradicated, or put to silence? Then there's a very long and utterly controversial road to go. You may even have to 'kill your brother'.

Really bad is the portion of secundary posts that keep on coming in response, endlessly baiting, needlessly needling, unnecessarily attacking the persons we all know express their opinions in some uneasy way.

I would say: think for yourself, just take any route that differs from the animal reflex way, and be a free and human original. It will extinguish the negative nonsense.
Without someone else deleting your / my words.

Bart
 
If we can't behave like intelligent and sensible people, and together maintain a good place to hang around a bit and discuss photography, not even invoking the pope will help to create that free and civilized place here.
Isn't there enough culture and control within ourselves?

Bart
No, there isn't. Remember when Walt was incessantly bashing the slt? Any normal moderation would have limited these posts, and allowed his positive inputs to remain. Instead it produced a schism in the forum, because it was left unchecked for far too long, imo.
You and I know people of any kind even in our personal environment. Some grumpy, some lovable, some stubborn, some hilarious, some rude, some amicable, and so on. Should the irritating ones all be eradicated, or put to silence? Then there's a very long and utterly controversial road to go. You may even have to 'kill your brother'.

Really bad is the portion of secundary posts that keep on coming in response, endlessly baiting, needlessly needling, unnecessarily attacking the persons we all know express their opinions in some uneasy way.

I would say: think for yourself, just take any route that differs from the animal reflex way, and be a free and human original. It will extinguish the negative nonsense.
Without someone else deleting your / my words.

Bart
No one is talking about eradicating anyone. On the contrary it's my belief, as I mentioned in my post, that having a clear guide to when we have gone over a line of acceptable behaviour is useful, and can help the grumpy and difficult amongst us to contribute in a positive manner.
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IQ is not judged exclusively by high iso noise performance
 
No, there isn't. Remember when Walt was incessantly bashing the slt? Any normal moderation would have limited these posts, and allowed his positive inputs to remain. Instead it produced a schism in the forum, because it was left unchecked for far too long, imo.
I remember the two year fight to get crippled A-mode fixed on the A850/A900.
Do to much complaining, Sony finally fixed it.
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"Those who would sacrifice liberty for safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Ben Franklin.
You can see larger versions of my pictures at http://www.dennismullen.com .
 
No, there isn't. Remember when Walt was incessantly bashing the slt? Any normal moderation would have limited these posts, and allowed his positive inputs to remain. Instead it produced a schism in the forum, because it was left unchecked for far too long, imo.
I remember the two year fight to get crippled A-mode fixed on the A850/A900.
Do to much complaining, Sony finally fixed it.
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"Those who would sacrifice liberty for safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Ben Franklin.
You can see larger versions of my pictures at http://www.dennismullen.com .
You're not really claiming that the constant nagging changed Sony, are you? If that were true, we would be reviewing the A701, A702, A703, A704... - TF
 
You're not really claiming that the constant nagging changed Sony, are you? If that were true, we would be reviewing the A701, A702, A703, A704... - TF
Squeaky wheels get oiled.

I don't mind people lobbying for features as much as people who gang up on a forum member because he has a different opinion.
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"Those who would sacrifice liberty for safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Ben Franklin.
You can see larger versions of my pictures at http://www.dennismullen.com .
 
You're not really claiming that the constant nagging changed Sony, are you? If that were true, we would be reviewing the A701, A702, A703, A704... - TF
Squeaky wheels get oiled.

I don't mind people lobbying for features as much as people who gang up on a forum member because he has a different opinion.
Hang on a minute. Do you acknowledge that there is a rule against bashing here, or not?

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IQ is not judged exclusively by high iso noise performance
 
If the rules were religiously enforced you would probably be banned by now...

SPAM - Anyone posting the same (or similar) message more than twice in any of the forums. No single user may start more than three new threads in any fifteen minute period, this helps to limit SPAM and wasteful cross-posting.

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"Those who would sacrifice liberty for safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Ben Franklin.
You can see larger versions of my pictures at http://www.dennismullen.com .
 
If the rules were religiously enforced you would probably be banned by now...

SPAM - Anyone posting the same (or similar) message more than twice in any of the forums. No single user may start more than three new threads in any fifteen minute period, this helps to limit SPAM and wasteful cross-posting.
I see you avoided answering my question.

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IQ is not judged exclusively by high iso noise performance
 
Add in bashing, as it says on the forum rules...

There are a small number of people where who contribute nothing but snide remarks, incessantly repetitive criticisms.

If there is some action against the bashers we'll get a much improved forum atmosphere.
That is a slippery slope. Is the so called basher correct in his observations? What about people who incessantly try to sell cameras by repeating questionable bullet points?
This is quite a revealing point of view. Your basically saying that systematic bashing, if correct, is OK. But its not:

"No Bashing - Deliberately and repeatedly bashing the same brand, product or company will get you banned. If you have a complaint or comment to make then make it once and make sure you have facts to support it. "

There is no rule against being enthusiastic about cameras that we own or would like to own.

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IQ is not judged exclusively by high iso noise performance
Clearly, you believe in one man, one vote, one time.

If a poster makes a critical comment in a thread, clearly that's ok.

If another thread, addressing the same subject, appears a week later and the poster again makes a critical comment in that thread, he's within the rules.

One man, one vote, one time has been overthrown in Egypt, Iraq, etc.
 
Add in bashing, as it says on the forum rules...

There are a small number of people where who contribute nothing but snide remarks, incessantly repetitive criticisms.

If there is some action against the bashers we'll get a much improved forum atmosphere.
That is a slippery slope. Is the so called basher correct in his observations? What about people who incessantly try to sell cameras by repeating questionable bullet points?
This is quite a revealing point of view. Your basically saying that systematic bashing, if correct, is OK. But its not:

"No Bashing - Deliberately and repeatedly bashing the same brand, product or company will get you banned. If you have a complaint or comment to make then make it once and make sure you have facts to support it. "

There is no rule against being enthusiastic about cameras that we own or would like to own.

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IQ is not judged exclusively by high iso noise performance
Clearly, you believe in one man, one vote, one time.

If a poster makes a critical comment in a thread, clearly that's ok.

If another thread, addressing the same subject, appears a week later and the poster again makes a critical comment in that thread, he's within the rules.

One man, one vote, one time has been overthrown in Egypt, Iraq, etc.
Don't blame me, I didn't write the rules. Its interesting that you find them so objectionable.

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IQ is not judged exclusively by high iso noise performance
 
Still a slippery slope. I'm a Sigma owner but I'm realistic about the equipment. Realistic means troll to many hysterical fans.
The rules are clearly laid out: point out the problems where they exist and where you have real evidence once , don't keep on carping about it. This place would be infinitely calmer if they wasn't incessant trolling and bashing.

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IQ is not judged exclusively by high iso noise performance
Advocating one man one vote one time is not what the rules state. Your implying this is the case does not make it true and neither does repeating the assertion.
 
If the rules were religiously enforced you would probably be banned by now...

SPAM - Anyone posting the same (or similar) message more than twice in any of the forums. No single user may start more than three new threads in any fifteen minute period, this helps to limit SPAM and wasteful cross-posting.
I see you avoided answering my question.

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IQ is not judged exclusively by high iso noise performance
According to you, making a similar, critical, comment in three new threads across three weeks is bashing.

Why would you think this is true?

Starting new threads to make the same critical comment over and over would clearly be wrong.

But you might as well ban the poster who started the three similar threads for baiting, trolling or whatever else you want to call it.
 
Still a slippery slope. I'm a Sigma owner but I'm realistic about the equipment. Realistic means troll to many hysterical fans.
The rules are clearly laid out: point out the problems where they exist and where you have real evidence once , don't keep on carping about it. This place would be infinitely calmer if they wasn't incessant trolling and bashing.

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IQ is not judged exclusively by high iso noise performance
Advocating one man one vote one time is not what the rules state. Your implying this is the case does not make it true and neither does repeating the assertion.
I think ii would be exaggerated to enforce this rigidly, but it does actually say

"No Bashing - Deliberately and repeatedly bashing the same brand, product or company will get you banned. If you have a complaint or comment to make then make it once and make sure you have facts to support it. "

Perhaps Im missing your point. Once is, once. Doesn't seem very ambiguous.

Edit.

It is interesting to see who is getting nervous about the idea that perhaps they might get banned for bashing...

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IQ is not judged exclusively by high iso noise performance
 
Add in bashing, as it says on the forum rules...

There are a small number of people where who contribute nothing but snide remarks, incessantly repetitive criticisms.

If there is some action against the bashers we'll get a much improved forum atmosphere.
That is a slippery slope. Is the so called basher correct in his observations? What about people who incessantly try to sell cameras by repeating questionable bullet points?
This is quite a revealing point of view. Your basically saying that systematic bashing, if correct, is OK. But its not:

"No Bashing - Deliberately and repeatedly bashing the same brand, product or company will get you banned. If you have a complaint or comment to make then make it once and make sure you have facts to support it. "

There is no rule against being enthusiastic about cameras that we own or would like to own.

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IQ is not judged exclusively by high iso noise performance
Clearly, you believe in one man, one vote, one time.

If a poster makes a critical comment in a thread, clearly that's ok.

If another thread, addressing the same subject, appears a week later and the poster again makes a critical comment in that thread, he's within the rules.

One man, one vote, one time has been overthrown in Egypt, Iraq, etc.
Don't blame me, I didn't write the rules. Its interesting that you find them so objectionable.

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IQ is not judged exclusively by high iso noise performance
I have no problem with the rules or how they are enforced. You, on the other hand are a constant complainer about DPRs management of the forum.

Rather than constantly bash DPR here in the forum, I suggest you take it up with the owners, offline.
 
Still a slippery slope. I'm a Sigma owner but I'm realistic about the equipment. Realistic means troll to many hysterical fans.
The rules are clearly laid out: point out the problems where they exist and where you have real evidence once , don't keep on carping about it. This place would be infinitely calmer if they wasn't incessant trolling and bashing.

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IQ is not judged exclusively by high iso noise performance
Advocating one man one vote one time is not what the rules state. Your implying this is the case does not make it true and neither does repeating the assertion.
I think ii would be exaggerated to enforce this rigidly, but it does actually say

"No Bashing - Deliberately and repeatedly bashing the same brand, product or company will get you banned. If you have a complaint or comment to make then make it once and make sure you have facts to support it. "

Perhaps Im missing your point. Once is, once. Doesn't seem very ambiguous.

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It is interesting to see who is getting nervous about the idea that perhaps they might get banned for bashing...

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IQ is not judged exclusively by high iso noise performance
To you, and certain others on this forum, discussion is bashing, if in YOUR opinion it casts Sony products or features in an unfavorable light.

Fortunately, the owners of the forum don't seem to agree with you.
 
It appears to me that the majority of the problems with this forum come from people debating which camera platform is the best. It's pretty much how the Mac/PC debates would degrade any computer based forums back a few years. I am not saying that this discussion is invalid, but it tends to overtake pretty much every discussion at some point. You end up not being able to talk about anything else as every topic eventually becomes a platform war.

Case in point: I just asked whether the A77 would support tethered shooting. After one or two helpful replies of, no, not at this time, someone posts how that's why no one should ever buy Sony, and the rest of the posts were people going back and forth with stupid, bitchy platform superiority posts.

So that is where I think the moderator should draw the line. This forum should be devoted to discussion of Sony cameras. Period. Not how well Sony cameras compare to Canons or Nikons or Olympus etc. Create a new forum devoted entirely to platform compaisons and let people duke it out in there. Warn anyone posting platform comparisons in this forum that their posts will be removed and they will be banned if they can't move the topic to the proper forum.
 
Still a slippery slope. I'm a Sigma owner but I'm realistic about the equipment. Realistic means troll to many hysterical fans.
The rules are clearly laid out: point out the problems where they exist and where you have real evidence once , don't keep on carping about it. This place would be infinitely calmer if they wasn't incessant trolling and bashing.

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IQ is not judged exclusively by high iso noise performance
Advocating one man one vote one time is not what the rules state. Your implying this is the case does not make it true and neither does repeating the assertion.
I think ii would be exaggerated to enforce this rigidly, but it does actually say

"No Bashing - Deliberately and repeatedly bashing the same brand, product or company will get you banned. If you have a complaint or comment to make then make it once and make sure you have facts to support it. "

Perhaps Im missing your point. Once is, once. Doesn't seem very ambiguous.

Edit.

It is interesting to see who is getting nervous about the idea that perhaps they might get banned for bashing...

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IQ is not judged exclusively by high iso noise performance
To you, and certain others on this forum, discussion is bashing, if in YOUR opinion it casts Sony products or features in an unfavorable light.

Fortunately, the owners of the forum don't seem to agree with you.
Theres no question that the bashing rule has been utilised with a very light touch, but if Im not mistaken your a new login for jimb100 after the jimb100 account got banned for bashing, so that do use it on occasion. Correct me if im wrong...

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