Who wants to be a moderator?

Thanks for the answers/reply, it seems we are not all that far apart on things after all. One difference, at least as I read it, I didnt get the implication from Simon that moderation (the request for volunteers) mentioned anything about the active or passive role this was to take. I doubt very highly they expect anyone to be online and in this forum constantly. I also doubt they anticipate or expect a team of moderators sharing the load so that there will ALWAYS be someone present.

Take care, Ted
I'll try to clarify my opinion.
Fotonut, I'm not against moderation of either flavor (passive or active), I simply asked a question which you chose not to answer. In case it wasn't clear the question was, what irreversible harm occurs if a moderator is not standing at the ready 24/7/365?
The harm would be that once a thread goes haywire there's no stopping it except with active moderation. If that harm is irreversible or not, i'll leave in the middle, to some it is and to some it wont be.

And once a thread has gone sour, there is basicly only one option left to the mod as far as i can see, and that is the placing of a ban.

Catch problems as or before it starts with a edit to the post or a warning post.

Maybe something like this, "Poster, tone it down, Mod". Both ways are a way of warning the offending poster and others who would like to add fuel to the fire.
You seem to be saying that the "dont take things too seriously" statement is not accurate, why do you feel that? This is in actuality, really just an internet forum, right?
Oh, both statements are accurate. The first one i agree with in part, one should not take things too seriously, ( but clearly some do ).

The second statement is often used by those that would like the mess, once started, to continue, as if to say that because it is a Internet forum, it means that even basic manners and civility can be thrown out of the window.

Therefore, my conclusion is, moderation needs to be active not retro active.

The powers that be DPR have decided that (active) moderation is the way to go, not only in the FTF but in other forums as well. There must be a reason they plan to go this route, that reason most likely, is the continuing disharmony in some of the forums.

That's just my 0.02 euro cents. (and which are devaluing as i type, :x)

I hope i have answered your question.

Greets.
Fotonut.
--
Snap snap - click click.

FujiLinks - http://fujilinks.110mb.com/index.html
--
http://photobucket.com/albums/y260/tdkd13/
 
Your post makes no sense.
I don't have the time or desire to educate you either. Sorry.
Thank God.
I respectfully disagree, because the people that would use the block feature ( like our friend Mr. birdie) really wouldn't use it anyway. They'd be turning the feature on and off as much as they do the ignore feature now. They would continue to read every post from the people the profess to want to block!
I always suspected your lack of intelligence Henry, but maybe next time you should consider the basic rules of law.

"You have the right to remain silent, anything you say, can and will be used against you"

OF COURSE I WOULD STILL BE READING, AS YOU DO EVERYONE OF MY POSTS. But, you could block me from responding, like I am doing here. And visa versa.

Goodness sakes alive, some people and their levels of education simply scare me.

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.......

Conrad Birdie
"Aspire to Inspire before you Expire"
--
Rethink your last comment.
--
Conrad Birdie
"Aspire to Inspire before you Expire"
--
Rethink your last comment.
 
Yep, predictable wasn't it.

COME ON FOLKS, everybody knows who the problem members are. Let's call it exactly what it is.

Kim Letkeman
Billx08
Dotbalm
Henry Schobin
Buckshot
Midwest, (recently joined)

And, formerly, Rattymouse (he has at least taken a higher road. Thanks Ratty.)

Those are clearly the troubled members whose sole intent is daily disruption and baiting. Everyone sees it, and knows it. Perhaps I am the most vocal on SAYING IT, but that is just me.

I realize they accuse me, and I realize they accuse many others, including Daniel Lowe, Paul Till, Fotonut, and Lloydy. THE REASON WE ARE BEING SINGLED OUT NOW, IS BECAUSE THE REST OF THEM HAVE LEFT BECAUSE OF THEM . We are the only ones to stay and confront them each and every day, and the reasons they come after us, is because we continually expose them for what they are. TROUBLEMAKERS, whose sole purpose is to disrupt this forum as some sort of a GAME. It is a GAME to them. We see it everyday. Someone posts a comment and they go into attack mode trying to discredit whatever that member stated. Then they accuse by using words like, Ad Hominem, Puerile, Argumentative, and they hide behind themselves by claiming it is always OTHERS, who resort to "personal attacks" and "character assassinations". It is always the same, each and every day. SO DARNED PREDICTABLE, AND EVERYONE SEES IT.

Yes, they will come after me yet again now that I am posting this comment, it is so predictable. A few others may join the attack also, but that does not change the facts in that EVERYONE knows who the problems are. You can not run and hide when you have been banned 13 effing times, and 3 times permanently. It is NOT everyone elses fault that one member has been banned 13 darned times. That is simply Narcissistic to constantly blame others for ones own behavior.

FINALLY, when a moderator has been picked and starts, IT ALL WILL END. Posts like this one, from DOTBALM will be pulled immediately and DOTBALM would probably end up banned for a short period of time. This is a PERFECT EXAMPLE of what is wrong with this forum. A PERFECT EXAMPLE. Paul Till was NOT even a part of this thread when DOTBALM posted this comment. It should be pulled NOW, but since no moderation is active, it is left to stir up trouble. That is how it all starts. UNBELIEVABLE.
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1012&message=39491711
NT.
--
Snap snap - click click.

FujiLinks - http://fujilinks.110mb.com/index.html
--
Conrad Birdie
"Aspire to Inspire before you Expire"
 
Thanks for the answers/reply, it seems we are not all that far apart on things after all. One difference, at least as I read it, I didnt get the implication from Simon that moderation (the request for volunteers) mentioned anything about the active or passive role this was to take. I doubt very highly they expect anyone to be online and in this forum constantly. I also doubt they anticipate or expect a team of moderators sharing the load so that there will ALWAYS be someone present.
I agree, although even unpaid volunteer moderators need to occasionally get an internet break, so the luxury of having a backup/alternate forum moderator would be nice, even if it won't happen. As has been said, the DPR moderators just can't keep up with entire set of forums, so the more numerous individual forum moderators would at least be able to be familiar with forum dynamics, so that when hostilities break out and many buttons get pressed, they'd already be somewhat familiar with how it came about and wouldn't be as easily misled by organized teams of button pressers. DPR may not be paying any of the volunteers, but I hope that Amazon supplies enough of a goodie bag so that the volunteers can say "And I got the T-shirt." That would be T-shirts with DPR logos, not Amazon logos. The ones I got were high quality, heavy fabric shirts, and the company logos on them didn't say "Compuserve".
 
On one hand he proclaims to have successfully summoned the strength to ignore the people on his hit list.

On the other, he proclaims to confront them each and every day!

:D :D :D :D :D

--
Rethink your last comment.
 
COME ON FOLKS, everybody knows who the problem members are. Let's call it exactly what it is.
I really don't enjoy reading posts of this nature that single out people by name - for whatever reason and whether it's justified or not - even if it is, there are usually better ways to handle matters. Name calling should remain the preserve of the school yard.

There are some posters here who get my goat, but I suspect that has more to do with my own sensibilities than the fact that they should or shouldn't be disciplined or banned. So I accept that my irritation with them is personal and you know what I do, I just bloody well ignore them - I don't read or reply to their posts. And by virtue of the fact that I do, they aren't troubled by me either and probably don't even realise I exist and rarely post in direct reply to me.

Each poster has to take responsibility for the responses they illicit and to date, whilst I don't enjoy some of the posting here (and when the tone heads south, I take myself elsewhere), I can only recall one post here in the last few months that said anything even close to personally offensive to or about me.

Perhaps we should all lead by example. I treat other posters in the manner I would hope for in return. It works quite well generally. My own personal rule on-line is to never say anything I wouldn't say if you were stood in front of me - that works quite well too.

Perhaps the forum doesn't need moderation, just a reminder about respect for others.

--
So many photos, so little time . . .
http://www.peekaboo.me.uk - general portfolio & tutorials
http://www.boo-photos.co.uk - live music portfolio
http://imageevent.com/boophotos/ - most recent images
http://boojewels.blogspot.com/ - blog

Please do not amend and re-post my images unless specifically requested or given permission to do so.
 
COME ON FOLKS, everybody knows who the problem members are. Let's call it exactly what it is.
I really don't enjoy reading posts of this nature that single out people by name - for whatever reason and whether it's justified or not - even if it is, there are usually better ways to handle matters. Name calling should remain the preserve of the school yard.
Such behavior is never worthy of an adult.

Under what circumstances would you consider it justified?

--
http://kimletkeman.blogspot.com
 
On one hand he proclaims to have successfully summoned the strength to ignore the people on his hit list.

On the other, he proclaims to confront them each and every day!
NO, that is not true. That is simply BS you create in your mind.

What I have PROMISED TO DO, is to never respond to two members ever again, and I have not since both of those promises. END OF STORY.

I most definitely will continue to stand up against wrongdoing in this forum, and their is NOTHING you can do to stop it. NOTHING.
:D :D :D :D :D

--
Rethink your last comment.
--
Conrad Birdie
"Aspire to Inspire before you Expire"
 
COME ON FOLKS, everybody knows who the problem members are. Let's call it exactly what it is.
I really don't enjoy reading posts of this nature that single out people by name - for whatever reason and whether it's justified or not - even if it is, there are usually better ways to handle matters. Name calling should remain the preserve of the school yard.

There are some posters here who get my goat, but I suspect that has more to do with my own sensibilities than the fact that they should or shouldn't be disciplined or banned. So I accept that my irritation with them is personal and you know what I do, I just bloody well ignore them - I don't read or reply to their posts. And by virtue of the fact that I do, they aren't troubled by me either and probably don't even realise I exist and rarely post in direct reply to me.

Each poster has to take responsibility for the responses they illicit and to date, whilst I don't enjoy some of the posting here (and when the tone heads south, I take myself elsewhere), I can only recall one post here in the last few months that said anything even close to personally offensive to or about me.

Perhaps we should all lead by example. I treat other posters in the manner I would hope for in return. It works quite well generally. My own personal rule on-line is to never say anything I wouldn't say if you were stood in front of me - that works quite well too.

Perhaps the forum doesn't need moderation, just a reminder about respect for others.
If that were only possible. But clearly it isn't. Moderation in this forum is absolutely critical for its survival.
--
So many photos, so little time . . .
http://www.peekaboo.me.uk - general portfolio & tutorials
http://www.boo-photos.co.uk - live music portfolio
http://imageevent.com/boophotos/ - most recent images
http://boojewels.blogspot.com/ - blog

Please do not amend and re-post my images unless specifically requested or given permission to do so.
--
Conrad Birdie
"Aspire to Inspire before you Expire"
 
COME ON FOLKS, everybody knows who the problem members are. Let's call it exactly what it is.
I really don't enjoy reading posts of this nature that single out people by name - for whatever reason and whether it's justified or not - even if it is, there are usually better ways to handle matters. Name calling should remain the preserve of the school yard.
Such behavior is never worthy of an adult.

Under what circumstances would you consider it justified?
I agree with Boo and with you, and to answer your question, I'd say that it's possibly justified when it comes packaged in a reply that proclaims ". . . and this is why starting from today I will no longer participate in any of DPR's forums.", especially if it doesn't contain the easily broken "until Kim is banned." escape clause that was previously used. I could accept that even if mine was again one of the named names.
 
You see, take a look at the response you just received from Mr. Letkeman. EDIT: and now his sidekick, Billx08.

That is the response from a member who has been banned over 13 times, 3 times permanently and has created 3 additional logon names to rejoin while banned, and yet he continues to accuse others of not being "Adults". Everything I just typed is very easily proven, and I can easily provide the links to his own admissions on his blog, and his third reinstatement post from here on Dpreview.

For goodness sakes, he even imposed a Lifetime ban on himself and advised members on his blog how to totally rid Dpreview from view with this post. Yet his band of bros continually attack ME, for coming back to dpreview after I took my own sabbatical when I was tired of this crap. They just never see the relevance in their own words.
http://kimletkeman.blogspot.com/2010/01/dpreview-self-imposed-lifetime-ban.html

I have NEVER created another logon name, and only been banned ONE TIME for having a conflict with Billx08. Billx08 has been banned numerous times also.

How in the world does a man who has been banned over 13 times, 3 times permanently and then creates three logon names to circumvent the rules here, have the nerve to look himself in the mirror and claim others are always the problem??

It is mind boggling, and NARCISSISTIC beyond any rational thought process.

--
Conrad Birdie
"Aspire to Inspire before you Expire"
 
How many people does it take to see WHO the problem child is?
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1012&message=39496336

Everybody knows it, everybody sees it, yet he was reinstated after his 13th ban, and 3rd lifetime ban. He was reinstated because he claimed he was "baited" and the victim of "character assassination".

HOW DOES ONE BECOME A VICTIM IF THEY ARE NOT PART OF THE THREAD OR COMMENTS? If he was not part of all of those problems, he could not possibly be a victim. It TAKES TWO TO TANGO, and after 13 bans, it simply is impossible to NOT see who the common denominator was. It was, and still is, KIM LETKEMAN.

I am praying for a moderator, praying. HE WILL CHANGE OVERNIGHT when one is appointed, because he knows he will be gone if he doesn't,

Here is his reinstatement post. Does it sound to you like he is living up to his promises?
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1012&message=38877549

Notice how he claims to always have been the VICTIM. 13 times!
--
Conrad Birdie
"Aspire to Inspire before you Expire"
 
I really don't enjoy reading posts of this nature that single out people by name - for whatever reason and whether it's justified or not - even if it is, there are usually better ways to handle matters. Name calling should remain the preserve of the school yard.
Such behavior is never worthy of an adult.

Under what circumstances would you consider it justified?
Not for the first time, I don't understand quite what you're asking. I wasn't suggesting anything whatsoever about the named individuals - I deliberately cut the names from my quote so as not to infer anything about any individuals.

I just meant that no matter how badly any particular poster behaves, or how affronted you are by their posting, it isn't acceptable to name them elsewhere in the third party. Either address them directly on the issue in hand, or deal with it in another - more discreet and appropriate - manner.

--
So many photos, so little time . . .
http://www.peekaboo.me.uk - general portfolio & tutorials
http://www.boo-photos.co.uk - live music portfolio
http://imageevent.com/boophotos/ - most recent images
http://boojewels.blogspot.com/ - blog

Please do not amend and re-post my images unless specifically requested or given permission to do so.
 
I really don't enjoy reading posts of this nature that single out people by name - for whatever reason and whether it's justified or not - even if it is, there are usually better ways to handle matters. Name calling should remain the preserve of the school yard.
Such behavior is never worthy of an adult.

Under what circumstances would you consider it justified?
Not for the first time, I don't understand quite what you're asking. I wasn't suggesting anything whatsoever about the named individuals - I deliberately cut the names from my quote so as not to infer anything about any individuals.

I just meant that no matter how badly any particular poster behaves, or how affronted you are by their posting, it isn't acceptable to name them elsewhere in the third party. Either address them directly on the issue in hand, or deal with it in another - more discreet and appropriate - manner.
I completely agree.

I read your equivocation as implying that there are some circumstances under which the naming names attack is acceptable. I understand now that this is not what you meant.

Regarding addressing the expressed or implied attackees directly -- in the examples of such attacks as displayed in this thread, there is no option to address the individuals directly because the charges are hyperbolic and / or pure innuendo. That's on top of generally being rather infantile in expression, being a shopping list of perceived wrongs in many cases. It's actually a little embarrassing to read.

In other media such could be actionable as libel. Here it is rarely even worth being considered as deletable or bannable (a big reason for its proliferation to several people by now.)

For the most part, it is never worth dignifying with a direct response as one always gets a predictably puerile rejoinder right back.

--
http://kimletkeman.blogspot.com
 
I give you props on the great lyrics and song.

Now, I take the stage. Drum roll please...................................

Ode to Moderation!

There was a man, lets call him Jim,
It has been tough to get rid of him,

He trolls the forums with his banofbros, just looking for trouble,
but 13 times, they had to burst his bubble.

Now he is back, reinstated again,
so people are leaving , after 3 permanent bans, such a horrible sin.

He claimed he was baited, and character assassinated,
yet it is the members he attacked that have been indoctrinated.

What does it take, to get rid of his kind,
as Bill Engvall stated, "here is your sign"

We all pray for moderation, actively a must,
so the clowns of destruction, are told change, or bust.

--
Conrad Birdie
"Aspire to Inspire before you Expire"
 
Nope, it took me about 5 minutes to WRITE it.

You see John, (I will refuse to post your real last name so you don't get embarrassed), I don't read every post from Dotbalm. He is really not that important to me. I just came acrossed it a few minutes ago, so I had to get my time on stage.

Glad you read it. I have posted in on my website also for others to read.
--
Conrad Birdie
"Aspire to Inspire before you Expire"
 
I really don't enjoy reading posts of this nature that single out people by name - for whatever reason and whether it's justified or not - even if it is, there are usually better ways to handle matters. Name calling should remain the preserve of the school yard.
Such behavior is never worthy of an adult.

Under what circumstances would you consider it justified?
Not for the first time, I don't understand quite what you're asking. I wasn't suggesting anything whatsoever about the named individuals - I deliberately cut the names from my quote so as not to infer anything about any individuals.
Boo,

I don't leave anything for chance. I do not accuse "the attack pack" which is what they use whenever they feel they are being singled out. I have pointed out the exact members who are causing the most problems around here, and everyone knows it.

What is amazing is how the member who has been banned 13 times, and 3 of them permanently plays the innocent one continually. Billx08 has been banned at least 4, maybe 5 times. They are clearly the biggest problems known to this forum.

So, why accuse others of simply saying, the "attack pack". That could open it up to many. I choose to point out the obvious ones, and I have never ever posted anything that I can not back up with links to prove my case, which I have done many times. I even use his own links on his own blog. How can any rational human being claim untruths, when they clearly posted on his own website for the world to see. Every time he gets banned, he blames it on someone else, it is never the same person. 13 times.

Anybody that does not believe me can simply go to his blog, and enter this in his google search box. Search for, Kim Letkeman bans. Be prepared to see exactly what I am talking about. It is there for the world to see. He posts them like some badge of honor. It is amazing!

Like they say in criminal law, "You have the right to remain silent, anything you say type, could be and will be used against you in a court of law". I simply use his own words and posts on his own blog as proof. He knows that. Here, I did the work for you.

http://www.google.com/cse?cx=partner-pub-3486568277577421%3Aesofjarifpd&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=Kim+letkeman+bans&sa=Search

13 Bans. 3 Permanent Bans, and 2 deleted logon names that were created while he was banned. KDLetkeman, and RawVoice. Both banned permanently. He can not, nor will not dispute those.
I just meant that no matter how badly any particular poster behaves, or how affronted you are by their posting, it isn't acceptable to name them elsewhere in the third party. Either address them directly on the issue in hand, or deal with it in another - more discreet and appropriate - manner.
I have, on MANY OCCASIONS. That is why they are upset with me. His last 2 bans are a direct result of my complaints, (along with many others who reported them). So, please trust me, I have addressed them directly, indirectly and anyway possible to try to correct their behavior. I post absolutely NOTHING that I can not prove.
--
So many photos, so little time . . .
http://www.peekaboo.me.uk - general portfolio & tutorials
http://www.boo-photos.co.uk - live music portfolio
http://imageevent.com/boophotos/ - most recent images
http://boojewels.blogspot.com/ - blog

Please do not amend and re-post my images unless specifically requested or given permission to do so.
--
Conrad Birdie
"Aspire to Inspire before you Expire"
 

Keyboard shortcuts

Back
Top