DPR did not use IDC, they used an un-official pre release version of ACR.
Hope that the guy who gave DPR that version won't get fired.
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WHy is dpr showing such poor quality raw shots for the A77?
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Hope that the guy who gave DPR that version won't get fired.
Care to share that evidence ?
Exactly !
I'm sorry, but you Sony people are the biggest whiners in the world. When I dared to make a post earlier suggesting to wait until the A77 is released to the public before going into apoplexy I was labeled a Canon poster (I used to own a Rebel but two years ago I gave it to my granddaughter. I am cameraless since then and am weighing all of my options, INCLUDING SONY). Why is it when a Sony camera gets a good review in here DP got it right. Mention one criticism and it is anti Sony bias. Relax, for heaven's sake!
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And where are the lens profiles. Sigma supplied Adobe with profiles for their lenses but we have to rely on users creating them for Sony. Some of questionable quality.
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DPR is just trying to be consistent in what software they use - across all cameras tested - even when it makes absolutely no sense [as in this case].
But why are other people using RPP, RAW therapee, and Camera 1 to develop RAW images from a -production- camera?
Why doesn't Sony offer the best choice in RAW developer for their own camera - when the camera is released - since they obviously have a head-start over everyone else on working with the data?
I guess I am just used to Nikon and Capture NX = generally conceded to have very good RAW conversion for Nikon's cameras, even if it is -also- generally conceded that the user interface is a pain, and it is slow. [I've avoided it for those reasons, and use either Lightroom or Aperture]
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--Sony released IDC with the A100 in 2006. I think it is version 4 now. People for all that time have said it is no good. If dpreview waits until "Sony gets off their lazy butts and produces a decent RAW converter" then they may never publish any raw results.
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You have to to be kidding. The majority of posts here are from sony haters, people who will see the worst in any situation. This current issue with the clearly defective raw conversion serves as a bell weather. It's clear to anyone with an ounce of common sense that when out of camera jpegs are much worse than raw conversions there is an issue with the raw convertor which needs to be addressed before reading too much into the analysis. Those here (and they are numerous) who use them as evidence of the A77 as a failed camera are clearly driven by an agenda.
I have to say that those who manage to ignore these numerous posts and onstead claim that this forum isfull of fan boys obviously has been doing some very, very selective reading.
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IQ is not judged exclusively by high iso noise performance
My understanding is that Capture NX is not free, Sony IDC is so I don't think it's fair to compare them.
Being consistent would mean avoiding the use of alpha versions of the convertor against mature final versions. Obviously. How anyone can think dpr have done a good thing by releasing these images with a dodgy convertor is beyond me; unless of course, they are happy that the results are poor.
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IQ is not judged exclusively by high iso noise performance
Guess you ment to say that RAW conversion is worse than camera jpgs ?
Yes, sorry for that. On my second glass of prosecco and I guess it shows
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I played around with the ISO-3200 file and with a little more chroma removal and lightly applied NR, it's quite nice. I also did a down sample to 4912 pixels wide to match the 16 MP, and it's even better. I have no doubt that if people want to work their Hi ISO images, they can get very good results.
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The Capture one examples shown are definitely better - i'm sure once ACR / Lightroom properly supports the camera it will be fine. The current ACR appears to really aggravate color noise and introduce artefacts.
Not quite at D7000 level , but you just can't expect that with 8 more megapixels and a light sucking SLT mirror thingee.
FYI, try removing a bit of the color noise from the Dpreview ISO 1600 file and you will be pleasantly surprised.
The underlying sensor performance will be decided when the NEX-7 is reviewed with proper RAW support and a good workflow.
And it will be very good, although nothing amazing at High ISO as evidenced by the DXO report for the A77.
An 24MP APS-C SLT simply is not a high ISO fanatics camera - that should have been obvious.
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Not quite at D7000 level , but you just can't expect that with 8 more megapixels and a light sucking SLT mirror thingee.
FYI, try removing a bit of the color noise from the Dpreview ISO 1600 file and you will be pleasantly surprised.
The underlying sensor performance will be decided when the NEX-7 is reviewed with proper RAW support and a good workflow.
And it will be very good, although nothing amazing at High ISO as evidenced by the DXO report for the A77.
An 24MP APS-C SLT simply is not a high ISO fanatics camera - that should have been obvious.
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I think Sony did a great job releasing the camera this year as they promised.
We all know how hard Japan was hit in March with earthquake/tsunami/radiation emissions. They didn't have electricity for long time after. 20k casualties. We don't know how many sony employes or their family.
They are working hard. Patience.
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Thailand was not hit by the tsunami.
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Software could be done in Japan, and explain lack of RAW support.
But then the question becomes, so why did A700 lag and A33 still lag?
No, I just don't buy the 'my dog ate the homework' bit.
I think Sony just does a crap job of RAW conversion support.
At the very LEAST you should be able to get an identical jpg from the RAW file via IDC as you get from the camera. The firmware guys don't appear to talk to the software guys.
Russ
But then the question becomes, so why did A700 lag and A33 still lag?
No, I just don't buy the 'my dog ate the homework' bit.
I think Sony just does a crap job of RAW conversion support.
At the very LEAST you should be able to get an identical jpg from the RAW file via IDC as you get from the camera. The firmware guys don't appear to talk to the software guys.
Russ
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