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WHy is dpr showing such poor quality raw shots for the A77?
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RussAdams
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So they should publish and say, A77 RAW's are unusable? And you think that would be better press?
It's a bad situation, but not DPReviews fault, I don't think. And no, I'm not a DPReview fanboy. I don't agree with everything they do, and I do think they lean towards Canikon, and away from everyone else.
Russ
jlamesa
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If we wanted to mean Crop, we surely had used the "O"
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digitalshooter
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Thanks,
Digitalshooter
Thanks,
Digitalshooter
tbcass
Veteran Member
They all are excellent!!!!
To both of you; you have to examine the photographs in entirety as at high iso's there is a lot of variability and concentrating on one tiny spot tells you nothing. The fact that which camera performs better depending on where you are looking tells me that deciding which is "best" is pretty hard to determine. All this obsessive pixel peeping is getting ridiculous. I guess cameras are getting so good that we have to resort to this kind of thing to determine which has the "best" IQ. Because of this I think IQ is the least important differential as they are all excellent. Ergonomics, handling, speed etc are more important.
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Tom
Look at the picture, not the pixels
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RussAdams
Leading Member
And that's DPReview's fault, how?
RussAdams
Leading Member
A rose by any other name... lol.
(Ingrained habits from Corporate nanny-land)
(Ingrained habits from Corporate nanny-land)
tbcass
Veteran Member
Reducing the 24mp images to 16mp might even the playing field at high iso's but you make good points. I think 16mp is enough but for those who really want it the great IQ at lower IQ's make the A77 a very good camera. Lets face it, even the best high iso cameras lose resolution at high iso's so if one really wants or needs 24mp then low iso's are a must anyway. Anything else would be a compromise. Everyone praises the Nikon D3 12mp camera at high iso's. How do the 24mp files reduced to 12mp look in comparison?
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Tom
Look at the picture, not the pixels
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JPMontez
Well-known member
Sony made the mistake of releasing samples of the A77 with unfinished firmware to review sites (big shoot on its own feet). But I would never base a review on RAW conversion samples coming from a pre-release RAW conversion software - It just adds more noise into this noise discussion.
I understand the rush of Sony (afterall Christmas is coming) as well as dpreview's. But I suspect that so much rush may be contributing to kill this baby at birth...
By the way: I am balancing between A77, D7000 and 7D (all very good cameras IMO) and these discussion forums just give me headaches!... Choosing a camera is becoming one of the most difficult decisions to make in life! (just kidding) ;-)
I understand the rush of Sony (afterall Christmas is coming) as well as dpreview's. But I suspect that so much rush may be contributing to kill this baby at birth...
By the way: I am balancing between A77, D7000 and 7D (all very good cameras IMO) and these discussion forums just give me headaches!... Choosing a camera is becoming one of the most difficult decisions to make in life! (just kidding) ;-)
tbcass
Veteran Member
Yes but that's something new. Until recently DPR flagged crap as inappropriate. Pretty stupid really.
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RussAdams
Leading Member
I'd give them the benefit of a doubt and say they were trying to use the same tool - Adobe - as in other reviews. But it's still half-cooked at this stage.
And that's not DPReview's fault. And personally, I don't want DPReview to wait to do a review until months after a camera's released. I'm buying today (quite literally) not in 6 months time. So tell me like it is.
I don't think this baby will be still-born like the A700. But if it is, it's Sony's fault, not DPReview who at least is trying.
Wow, do I agree with that sentiment!
LOL. Yes, that is a hard decision. Especially when it's so hard to determine what the camera's actually do. It's one thing to read about all these different specifications, and quite another to actually use the camera.
At least with Canikon you can go find the cameras to play with in camera stores.
Sony makes it very difficult. When my A700 quit on me during my honeymoon this year in June I tried to buy an A55 in Venice, Italy. Not a chance. Canon or Nikon? Sure, sitting right there on the shelf...
Why do I put up with it?
Because I think Sony have the most photographer friendly ergonomics on the market.
Maybe that's because I'm a long time user of Minolta and Sony have continued their tradition. But every time I pick up a Nikon it gives me a headache.
LOL.
Have fun with your decision! It's great to be a photographer today, no matter WHICH system you decide upon!!!
Russ
Jim Funston
Veteran Member
Mike I totally agree........... I think Sony has done something innovative and the RAW converters have not caught up to the needed level of innovation to convert their new RAW technology as of yet. In so, it is unfair to compare apples to oranges until the raw converters get caught up. I do feel in DPR defense Sony has a responsiblity to provide a better IDC than they have been so they would avoid such unfair comparisons.
harleydavidson
Veteran Member
Spot on correct. And if you think it's difficult to locate a Sony Camera in a pinch, just remember it could always be worse. I came over from Olympus and short of going to New York to visit the BIG camera stores, finding any Olympus on someones shelf was just a dream. That forced me to order my E-30 without holding it in my hands, but with allot more researching to compensate for that.
Looks like we'll be shooting JPEGS for a while and for all those Christmas photos too!
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Looks like we'll be shooting JPEGS for a while and for all those Christmas photos too!
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harleydavidson
Veteran Member
DPR could have avoided all the criticism with a closing remark or short statement that they too were disappointed in the RAW results and the fact that the software for processing was not up to the challenge just yet. Something short and sweet and we would have simply agreed. As they decided to leave it out, it makes the A77 appear worse then we all know it probably can be. In that regard, DPR could easily have changed the tone of what we see and read (or read into.)
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Ken
Sony Alpha Seventy Seven
Did DPR use pre alpha ( no pun intended ) version of ACR when they did Canon/Nikon etc pictures ?
Seems to me that DPR wants to make A77 look bad so they dont lose Canon advertising.
Shame on DPR !
This doesnt look good for Adobe either, wonder if DPR had Adobes permission to use the un-official version AND to publish tests using it.
TrojMacReady
Veteran Member
I don't think the "final" version (or release candicate) of ACR will change. Just look at the A35 results, which are just as poor and that's from a downloadable version.
Gavin 11
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Russ +1 and you can type CRAP,CRAP all day long! ;-)
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sandy b
Veteran Member
what are you smoking? Maybe at the lowest iso's, above 800, they really are not that great, look at the watch face, the name looks painted on. By a four year old.
Gavin 11
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sandy b
Veteran Member
Go to the D7k review, and check jpg vs raw. The raws are a bit sharper, but certainly noisier.
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