Sony NEX vs Olympus Pen

I am sorry to hear about friend's E-PL2, but don't think this post if very helpful for a purchase decision. Plenty of hardware problems can be found on many makes and models of cameras.
Well, that's part of what I was saying -- I certainly haven't seen this "amount" of problems in any forum I've ever frequented since I've been on DPReview -- I have not seen "plenty of hardware problems" being described in these forums. In fact, I've found hardware problems to be a really quite rare subject matter in these forums.

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not sure if ne one mentioned it, but the 2nd gen kit 18-55 is significantly better than the first gen . Comparing to 1gen is not relevant any more. resolution charts on the 2nd 18-55 are the highest I've seen from kits, even hitting prime territory in center sharpness.
 
I find DxO quality index a good indication of IQ. Pen cameras score 55, while the NEX C3 scores 74. As a reference, the Canon 5D is 72, I think, and the Canon S90 pocket camera scores 46.
So how do you work into this IQ comparison the quality of lenses or the IQ boost you get from stabilization?

What does 74 mean for practical purposes anyway? It's a useless number created to stir the pot at internet forums. You think that Nex C3 IQ is higher than Canon 5D? Leica M9 has 69 btw. Congratulations on buying a pocket camera with higher IQ than $7K Leica.
fermy,

1. Image stabilization does not boost image quality :)

2. Have you ever handled any Leica RAW file? Ever been within 100 yards of one? No? Thought so. So how then you can claim DXOMark's measurement of M9's performance is incorrect? And BTW, according to DXOMark's measurement NEX5 measures better than M9 in every category.
 
No one can trust you and no one can believe you anymore.

Any PEN with the ZD50 macro will crush any NEX with a kit lens...as well as a lot of other cameras.

This is because IBIS + one of the sharpest lenses ever made will give you amazing IQ.
Ummm ... Everdog ... I don't know where you are pulling that from but image stabilization does not give "image quality" :)

P.S. Before you rush to respond to me think first and ask yourself does your "amazing image quality" "disappear" when there is enough light to give high enough shutter speeds at base ISO. ;)
 
No no no you don't get it ZoranC....

If you don't compare a NEX with another camera where NEX is in absolutely disadvantage (taking a picture of a running mouse in a dark room with AF for example) that's not a real test to show what this camera can do!

:D
I find DxO quality index a good indication of IQ. Pen cameras score 55, while the NEX C3 scores 74. As a reference, the Canon 5D is 72, I think, and the Canon S90 pocket camera scores 46.
So how do you work into this IQ comparison the quality of lenses or the IQ boost you get from stabilization?

What does 74 mean for practical purposes anyway? It's a useless number created to stir the pot at internet forums. You think that Nex C3 IQ is higher than Canon 5D? Leica M9 has 69 btw. Congratulations on buying a pocket camera with higher IQ than $7K Leica.
fermy,

1. Image stabilization does not boost image quality :)

2. Have you ever handled any Leica RAW file? Ever been within 100 yards of one? No? Thought so. So how then you can claim DXOMark's measurement of M9's performance is incorrect? And BTW, according to DXOMark's measurement NEX5 measures better than M9 in every category.
 
Can you show me a NEX pancake as good and as fast as the Panasonic pancake?
Not at this time. So all the pancake-or-die-and-it-has-to-be-ultra-sharp-but-ok-if-noisy-and-lacking-dynamic-range fans, please buy m43.
The whole point went over your head.

With a faster lens and IS you can use lower ISOs. Compare an ISO6400 shot to a PEN at ISO800 and then tell me which has more detail and color and less noise.

No contest.
... except when your subject moves even a little. Then you are SOL with your "IS makes up for lousy high ISO" dream.
 
I thought IBIS is something you give that mouse to stop running so you can take that "amazing image quality" shot.
If you don't compare a NEX with another camera where NEX is in absolutely disadvantage (taking a picture of a running mouse in a dark room with AF for example) that's not a real test to show what this camera can do!

:D
I find DxO quality index a good indication of IQ. Pen cameras score 55, while the NEX C3 scores 74. As a reference, the Canon 5D is 72, I think, and the Canon S90 pocket camera scores 46.
So how do you work into this IQ comparison the quality of lenses or the IQ boost you get from stabilization?

What does 74 mean for practical purposes anyway? It's a useless number created to stir the pot at internet forums. You think that Nex C3 IQ is higher than Canon 5D? Leica M9 has 69 btw. Congratulations on buying a pocket camera with higher IQ than $7K Leica.
fermy,

1. Image stabilization does not boost image quality :)

2. Have you ever handled any Leica RAW file? Ever been within 100 yards of one? No? Thought so. So how then you can claim DXOMark's measurement of M9's performance is incorrect? And BTW, according to DXOMark's measurement NEX5 measures better than M9 in every category.
 
Can you show me a NEX pancake as good and as fast as the Panasonic pancake?
Not at this time. So all the pancake-or-die-and-it-has-to-be-ultra-sharp-but-ok-if-noisy-and-lacking-dynamic-range fans, please buy m43.
There is no NEX macro today,
There is no NEX 50mm today.
Right again. So all the I-have-to-have-a-fast-prime-today-and-can't-wait-for-the-announced-lenses fans, please buy m43.
Oh, I don't have to wait for announced lens. NEX5 + ZM 25/2.8 is incredible, plus is both lighter and smaller than EP2 + 17/2.8 (first one can slip in pants pocket, later can not). NEX5 + ZM 35/2 or 25/2.8? Incredible. NEX5 + ZM 50/1.5 or CV 50/1.5? Incredible. NEX5 + Zeiss 90/2.8? Incredible.
 
Can you show me a NEX pancake as good and as fast as the Panasonic pancake?
Not at this time. So all the pancake-or-die-and-it-has-to-be-ultra-sharp-but-ok-if-noisy-and-lacking-dynamic-range fans, please buy m43.
The whole point went over your head.

With a faster lens and IS you can use lower ISOs. Compare an ISO6400 shot to a PEN at ISO800 and then tell me which has more detail and color and less noise.

No contest.
... except when your subject moves even a little. Then you are SOL with your "IS makes up for lousy high ISO" dream.
... and BTW Everdog, don't forget NEX lens has image stabilization. Bellow is shot from 5N with kit lens at ISO 1250 .

Speaking of no contest :)

 
I've been a serious photographer since 1973 and have owned professional-grade Nikon film systems and enthusiast-grade Nikon DSLR systems. But through experience I'm a firm believer that the camera that it with you is the best camera for you. As part of that, I noticed that over time I tended to choose my Nikkormat over the Nikon F2 and later my D60 over my D200. The heavier camera bodies usually sat on the shelf; the metal professional-grade lenses never left the self.

I recently bought an Olympus XZ-1 as a camera that is always with me and was so impressed with the IQ relative to size and weight that I wanted its "big brother". I've sprung for an PL3-based system. I'm very impressed with the IQ of both relative to size and weight.

I've done my research: The issue for me was the size and weight of the Nikon APS-C cameras and lenses, including the Sony NEX series. Tired of backaches on walkabouts! Compare a Nikon D300 with a 70-300mm zoom with the PL3 with a 45-150mm zoom and you see the point ... pounds versus ounces. For me, the size of the NEX lenses puts the NEX out of the competition.

With respect to IQ, I'm an avid "pixel peeper" and know that the latest APS-C cameras have one to two stops on the PL3 and that the PL3 has one stop on the XZ-1 with respect to noise. But "clean" photos with high ISO is not an end in itself. The XZ-1 is always with me ... and the PL3 plus a few lenses is an easy carry on a walkabout. Since I tend to always shoot below ISO 800 and below, noise is not an issue. In my experience, any IQ better than the D100 is gravy and is suitable for 11x14 prints. The latest micro 4/3 technology has that in spades!
 
a pen user can buy a GH2 that has almost 2 stop better performance on noise then old 12 mp sensor (that is basically a 3 years old sensor)

if you consider that the 20mm is razor sharp also at f1.7 and also the 1000 euro zeisss 24mm its not sharp also at f8 ....

you can see the conclusion...by yourself...
 
. So how then you can claim DXOMark's measurement of M9's performance is incorrect? And BTW, according to DXOMark's measurement NEX5 measures better than M9 in every category.
I am not claiming anything. Moreover, DXO measurements are correct, their interpretation is an issue.

I am simply asking you, whether you believe NEX IQ to be higher than M9 or not. None of the delusional fanboys has stomached a direct answer so far, which pretty much shows that deep inside you understand that something is not straight in your fandom.
 
. So how then you can claim DXOMark's measurement of M9's performance is incorrect? And BTW, according to DXOMark's measurement NEX5 measures better than M9 in every category.
I am not claiming anything. Moreover, DXO measurements are correct, their interpretation is an issue.

I am simply asking you, whether you believe NEX IQ to be higher than M9 or not. None of the delusional fanboys has stomached a direct answer so far, which pretty much shows that deep inside you understand that something is not straight in your fandom.
Bad thinking, sorry. It only shows that we didn't have an M9 to compare with the NEX, and therefore couldn't answer your question and, unlike you, couldn't reach any conclusions about what we don't know.

Enrique
 
I've been a serious photographer since 1973 and have owned professional-grade In my experience, any IQ better than the D100 is gravy and is suitable for 11x14 prints. The latest micro 4/3 technology has that in spades!
Good for you though I truly do wonder why your peeping 'n posting on a NEX board coming on with such a biased point of view? Love/hate the NEX so much (secretly) you couldnt stay away?

Well, have fun shooting anyway :o)
 
Please notice the subject line ... Sony NEX vs Olympus Pen.

I investigated both (this versus that) and selected the Pen (micro 4/3) based on relative lens size which is a function of sensor size. Something that appears to have escaped the discussion about NEX that focused solely on IQ.

Should the subject line have read, "Sony NEX vs Olympus Pen ... but nothing positive about the Pen allowed!"

Please forgive. I'm too old for this "fanboy" stuff.
 
In fact, I've found hardware problems to be a really quite rare subject matter in these forums.
really? as a (former?) user of Canon compacts you must be aware of the countless cases of 'lens error' (sticky lenses etc.) with these cameras. I know plenty examples of 'known problems' from other companies (even with very expensive cameras). I'm pretty sure what you see as an Olympus specific problem is nothing unusual; there is a strong reporting bias in the forums that makes it really difficult to say how frequent such problems occur for the average user.
 
Please notice the subject line ... Sony NEX vs Olympus Pen.

I investigated both (this versus that) and selected the Pen (micro 4/3) based on relative lens size which is a function of sensor size. Something that appears to have escaped the discussion about NEX that focused solely on IQ.
I second your opinion, and it is sad how the typical fanboys jump on everyting that doesn't follow the gospel they are preaching here. Both systems have their pros and cons and an open discussion can be valuable; fanboyism only benefits the marketing departments (and probably some peoples ego).

Seems to me that for many NEX owners in this thread, image quality is all about low noise and plenty of megapixels. Well, it isn't, not at all. Maybe this is more obvious to people who were taking pictures before the digital times ...
 
. So how then you can claim DXOMark's measurement of M9's performance is incorrect? And BTW, according to DXOMark's measurement NEX5 measures better than M9 in every category.
I am not claiming anything. Moreover, DXO measurements are correct, their interpretation is an issue.

I am simply asking you, whether you believe NEX IQ to be higher than M9 or not. None of the delusional fanboys has stomached a direct answer so far, which pretty much shows that deep inside you understand that something is not straight in your fandom.
Bad thinking, sorry. It only shows that we didn't have an M9 to compare with the NEX, and therefore couldn't answer your question and, unlike you, couldn't reach any conclusions about what we don't know.
That didn't stop you from reaching a conclusion that NEX-5 with kit lens has greater IQ than any PEN with any lens, despite not owning all pens and all m4/3 lenses to compare. It also didn't stop you from claiming that DXO score accurately measures IQ. A lot of bad thinking, indeed.
 
. So how then you can claim DXOMark's measurement of M9's performance is incorrect? And BTW, according to DXOMark's measurement NEX5 measures better than M9 in every category.
I am not claiming anything. Moreover, DXO measurements are correct, their interpretation is an issue.
Measurements are correct yet interpretation is an issue? ROFLMAO Yeah, sure, you make "lots" of sense.
I am simply asking you, whether you believe NEX IQ to be higher than M9 or not.
I already answered your question but you don't seem to be able to comprehend answer that is not in simplest possible form so here it is just for you:

Yes

And for those that are able to comprehend:

Measurements dont lie. Take same lens on two bodies (and choose lens fairly), shoot both fairly, equally and correctly (shoot RAW, use white balance cards, etc), develop both competently to maximum possible result, and you will see better dynamic range, color sensitivity, etc, all translate into direct contributors to better final image quality that body plays role in. Rest of it is lens.
None of the delusional fanboys has stomached a direct answer so far, which pretty much shows that deep inside you understand that something is not straight in your fandom.
Only one delusional around here is person that has to use such convoluted "reasoning" as you to come up with something that will stroke his fanboism. Don't try to pass your lack of understanding or refusal to accept non-simple though direct answer as something you could build your house of cards on. It's the wind season for you.
 

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