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Always so much value in these mine versus yours discussion threads. =P
Jorginho said:
Fantastic IQ can be had with both Nex and m4/3.
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Jorginho said:
Tradeoffs in both systems
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Jorginho said:
Need to handle both cameras in person to see what you like
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I went m4/3 because it was a better fit for me - liked small native primes. Nex 7 is interesting, though, and may end up adding that, or the X100, to my kit, but I don't see giving up the m4/3 when I do so.
 
No one can trust you and no one can believe you anymore.

Any PEN with the ZD50 macro will crush any NEX with a kit lens...as well as a lot of other cameras.

This is because IBIS + one of the sharpest lenses ever made will give you amazing IQ.

Stick the ZD50 on a 5n with an adapter and you will get superb results too..and crush any NEX kit lens...or any m43 kit lens.
 
fermy said:
bluevellet said:
It is a bit strange that the guy who owns both isn't using similar settings for both. cameras.
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Not so strange. PEN has high saturation by default, many people tone it down. NEX has a little bit flat look by default, many people jazz it up by boosting the saturation, choosing vivid picture style, etc. As the result you end up with more popping colors on NEX. WB also seems to be slightly different, that could be the cause.
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You are more or less correct. First of all, the autoWB is different in both cameras/shots. As for my personal color preferences, I use my various cameras "sort of" the same way I used to use various types of film. Sometimes I want the colors from an Olympus and other times I want the colors from a Sony/Nikon. I also had Canon DSLRs for a while but found I was ALWAYS tweaking colors in Photoshop and almost never liked the colors from the OOC JPEGs or RAW files ... which is one of the reasons I sold all my Canon gear.
 
Dennis said:
Everdog said:
Can you show me a NEX pancake as good and as fast as the Panasonic pancake?
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Not at this time. So all the pancake-or-die-and-it-has-to-be-ultra-sharp-but-ok-if-noisy-and-lacking-dynamic-range fans, please buy m43.
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The whole point went over your head.

With a faster lens and IS you can use lower ISOs. Compare an ISO6400 shot to a PEN at ISO800 and then tell me which has more detail and color and less noise.

No contest.

btw, one of the reasons people want pancakes for NEX is because they see that 20mm F/1.7 pancake that is superior to all the current NEX lenses.
 
Everdog said:
No one can trust you and no one can believe you anymore.
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So sorry to hear.
Everdog said:
Any PEN with the ZD50 macro will crush any NEX with a kit lens...as well as a lot of other cameras.
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The ZD 50mm macro is a great lens, as I said before. But no great lens will give the Pen cameras better DR, less noise, better gradations. It is quite unavoidable when you compare an oldish 4:3 sensor with one of the new and best Sony sensors. And, by the way, now there is also a Zeiss E lens...

Enrique
Everdog said:
This is because IBIS + one of the sharpest lenses ever made will give you amazing IQ.

Stick the ZD50 on a 5n with an adapter and you will get superb results too..and crush any NEX kit lens...or any m43 kit lens.
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You keep peddling this nonsense anout Sony lenses. There was an issue with the 16mm, but it wasn't the lens, it was the edge problem caused by the flange distance. I'd check what that lens is doing on the new model Nex's before I put my money up.
Everdog said:
Dennis said:
Everdog said:
Can you show me a NEX pancake as good and as fast as the Panasonic pancake?
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Not at this time. So all the pancake-or-die-and-it-has-to-be-ultra-sharp-but-ok-if-noisy-and-lacking-dynamic-range fans, please buy m43.
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The whole point went over your head.

With a faster lens and IS you can use lower ISOs. Compare an ISO6400 shot to a PEN at ISO800 and then tell me which has more detail and color and less noise.

No contest.

btw, one of the reasons people want pancakes for NEX is because they see that 20mm F/1.7 pancake that is superior to all the current NEX lenses.
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Mike Fewster
Adelaide Australia
 
JJJPhoto said:
Just playing devil's advocate. I'm allowed because I spend my hard-earned cash on BOTH m4/3 and NEX gear. :)
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one real life 'sample' story, may be it means something to the subject here.

Two friends of mine who are too 'old' to be fanboys and rich enough to buy any gears they want. Few years ago when the concept of the M43 mirrorless camera (not even in the 'pen' body at that time) came out they were very happy for the size and they bought the ep-1 right upon it was in the market. A while later they also bought the NEX-5 ............... today they are using their NEX-5 only and their pen-1 has been forgotton totally.

For more serious work one of my friend is using a D700 and the other a 5Dmii, now both of them pre-ordered the NEX-7, what in their mind is the HOPE of NEX-7 to replace their big cameras. The same for me!
 
Dear Everdog,

Can you tell me why you are so trolling on this forum. What did Sony or we to you that you keeps on bugging us with your half true stories?

You show in your post not only that you lover your m43 (and you are right they are fine cameras as I keep on telling. Every system has its good and bad sites. That goes for M43 (like not as good a sensor (DR and ISO wise) more lenses, but many (almost) the same) and for the Nex (better sensor, may nice functions, not to much lens choice, well build cameras (like the Nex5(N) and Nex7 (in a few weeks).

So again, what are you doing here. You have never seen me trolling on your forum, so why are you here telling crap?
 
Everdog said:
SQLGuy said:
Pixta, can you post some counterexamples with your Pen?
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With a PEN and the sharp F/1.7 20mm pancake, you could have used ISO800 (or less) instead of ISO 3200. The image would have been noticeably superior.
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Very true. If I were to open my options to using things other than the kit zoom, there are a number of faster lenses I could have used. However, then we're back to comparing kit to non-kit.

How much better than the Sony kit zoom at F4 and 28mm are you thinking the 20mm Panasonic is wide open (if any)?

How much better than the NEX5 at 3200 do you think the Pen is at 800?

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Nex-5 with kit lenses, Contax G 35, and a number of legacy lenses (mostly Canon FD)
 
He is a well known troll (unlike most mft owners who can conduct informative and rational conversations about their equipment). Even on the mft site he is regarded as a bit of a giggle.
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Mike Fewster
Adelaide Australia
 
That's right, Minolta, the very same engineers who now are the core of the photographic section at Sony. So any dropping of IBIS was done with good reason. Sure , IBIS works really well, but it doesn't take rocket science to follow the reasoning of why it was not used on the Nex.
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Mike Fewster
Adelaide Australia
 
I rather have a NEX-7. M4/3 cam is outrageously expensive especially the small sensor, low res 460k screen, cheap plastic body, poor auto-focus performance, no integrated VF, and overall poor IQ due to smaller sensor.

Panasonic GH2 - $1499
Olympus EP3 - $899
Olympus EPL3 - $699
Panasonic GF3 - $699

NEX C3 - $599
NEX 5N - $699
NEX-7 - $1349
 
bosoxfanx said:
is there something else I am forgetting?
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I would recommend checking out the "Olympus repair" threads in the Micro Four Thirds Talk forum. There has been a considerable amount of hand-wringing over "long waits for repair service," quite clearly due to what appears to be a disturbing amount of "workload" -- a veritable teeming amount of cameras sent in for repair.

I wouldn't be so interested about this if it didn't hit home very closely -- I was wrapping up a lengthy private discussion with a member who had his E-PL2 in for repair, and went through a rather nasty amount of hassle dealing with Olympus, when the friend I sold my E-PL2 to discovered in the middle of an airshow we were attending that his camera had stopped communicating with any lenses. And gosh if there wasn't a thread about the exact same problem with an E-PL2 in the MFT forum the other day, as well.

I'm sorry, but I've been on these boards for closing on a decade, and I have virtually NEVER heard much of anything about cameras malfunctioning -- it has been extraordinarily rare, from my perspective. So, to see Olympus cameras, and apparently the E-PL2 leading the pack, dropping out of the skies like this, is just completely astonishing to me.

So, I would recommend doing a search in the Micro Four Thirds Talk forum for "Olympus repair," and trying to get a gist of how common these malfunctioning cameras might be.

Myself, I'm actually considering giving my friend one of my old NEX-5 bodies with the kit lens, since the E-PL2 I sold him is a worthless paperweight collecting dust on his table. He's been waffling about sending it in for repair, and I feel like a cad for selling him something that barely lasted six months before it essentially stopped working altogether.

Tom Hoots
http://thoots.zenfolio.com
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tomhoots/
http://www.dpreview.com/galleries/4330317199/albums
 
SQLGuy said:
Pixta said:
I have both the NEX 5 and the E-P3.

I prefer shooting with the E-P3 mainly because the lenses are better than the kit lenses with the Sony and the provided software with the E-P3 is so much better than the rubbish provided with the Sony.
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Software: I can agree with not liking the stock Sony software, though it's not useless, Lightroom, DXO, etc will all do all of what it does and a ton of what it doesn't.

On the lens, side, are you saying you like the Olympus better because its non-kit > lenses are better than the Sony kit lenses? That seems a bit of an unfair comparison. > How about comparing kit to kit, or non-kit to non-kit.
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I am comparing kit lens with kit lens. The Olympus lenses perform better than the Sony version.
 
bryanbrun said:
And the Sony 16mm prints were fine for what they were. It is just simply not a good lens for capturing fine detail at 2.8 aperture.
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I agree. At high ISOs, you're not going to see fine textural detail (due to high ISO noise, slow shutter speed, whether stabilized or not, or some combination). In other words, when you're looking at ISO 1600+ & 1/30s or slower on NEX, and whatever equivalentsyou'd choose on m43 (considering image stabilization, but also subject motion blur), I doubt you're likely to be complaining about the impact of the 16mm lens' performance.

Personally, I'd love to see a 30/2 pancake that's a match for the 20/1.7 or the Samsung 30/2. I'd also love to see a longer portrait lens than the 50/1.8 (it tool Oly way too long wo come up with the 45/1.8 but now that it's here, it's a big selling point). But Sony's 50/1.8 is on the way and is stabilized; the 24/1.8 is on the way (though very expensive) ... it's the same old story. Look at the lens lineup and see who has what you want/need. Don't count on either system to come out with the lens you want if it isn't in their road map. But don't get hung up on contrived scenarios if they have nothing to do with how you shoot.

I've found that the NEX with kit zoom is compact enough for times I'm willing to carry it. NEX w/pancake (equivalent to m43 with pancake) is only slightly more compact; fine for a jacket pokcet, too big for pants pockets (and m43 is no more pocketable) so there are only a few times I find that NEX+pancake is ok, but NEX+kit is too big. When I want something truly pocketable I bring a compact.

As for low light and the rest ... decide what lenses you want & see who has them.
  • Dennis
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Tom Hoots said:
bosoxfanx said:
is there something else I am forgetting?
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I would recommend checking out the "Olympus repair" threads in the Micro Four Thirds Talk forum. There has been a considerable amount of hand-wringing over "long waits for repair service," quite clearly due to what appears to be a disturbing amount of "workload" -- a veritable teeming amount of cameras sent in for repair.

I wouldn't be so interested about this if it didn't hit home very closely -- I was wrapping up a lengthy private discussion with a member who had his E-PL2 in for repair, and went through a rather nasty amount of hassle dealing with Olympus, when the friend I sold my E-PL2 to discovered in the middle of an airshow we were attending that his camera had stopped communicating with any lenses. And gosh if there wasn't a thread about the exact same problem with an E-PL2 in the MFT forum the other day, as well.

I'm sorry, but I've been on these boards for closing on a decade, and I have virtually NEVER heard much of anything about cameras malfunctioning -- it has been extraordinarily rare, from my perspective. So, to see Olympus cameras, and apparently the E-PL2 leading the pack, dropping out of the skies like this, is just completely astonishing to me.

So, I would recommend doing a search in the Micro Four Thirds Talk forum for "Olympus repair," and trying to get a gist of how common these malfunctioning cameras might be.

Myself, I'm actually considering giving my friend one of my old NEX-5 bodies with the kit lens, since the E-PL2 I sold him is a worthless paperweight collecting dust on his table. He's been waffling about sending it in for repair, and I feel like a cad for selling him something that barely lasted six months before it essentially stopped working altogether.

Tom Hoots
http://thoots.zenfolio.com
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tomhoots/
http://www.dpreview.com/galleries/4330317199/albums
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I am sorry to hear about friend's E-PL2, but don't think this post if very helpful for a purchase decision. Plenty of hardware problems can be found on many makes and models of cameras.
 
SDF said:
I rather have a NEX-7. M4/3 cam is outrageously expensive especially the small sensor, low res 460k screen, cheap plastic body, poor auto-focus performance, no integrated VF, and overall poor IQ due to smaller sensor.

Panasonic GH2 - $1499
Olympus EP3 - $899
Olympus EPL3 - $699
Panasonic GF3 - $699

NEX C3 - $599
NEX 5N - $699
NEX-7 - $1349
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Huh, I must have one of the limited edition non-plastic E-P3s. Score!

A few other points - the little Pen, the E-PM1 is $499. I think this is a good value especially given the pricing on some of the "pro" fixed-lens compacts. The E-P3 is starting to be found for $749 and I would think that this should be closer to the Nex5N.

Where are you getting poor autofocus performance in m4/3? I am not expecting that the 5N or 7 would be faster than the latest m4/3 models?
 
Everdog said:
Dennis said:
Not at this time. So all the pancake-or-die-and-it-has-to-be-ultra-sharp-but-ok-if-noisy-and-lacking-dynamic-range fans, please buy m43.
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The whole point went over your head.

With a faster lens and IS you can use lower ISOs. Compare an ISO6400 shot to a PEN at ISO800 and then tell me which has more detail and color and less noise.
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I get that IS lets you use lower ISOs - I shoot an A700 with a few fast primes and appreciate IS at times. But I do an awful lot of high ISO shooting where I have to set a minimum shutter speed to avoid motion blur. Six years of experience (since I bought my KM 7D) with IBIS tells me that IS is only a substitute for high ISO in a limited number of situations.
Everdog said:
btw, one of the reasons people want pancakes for NEX is because they see that 20mm F/1.7 pancake that is superior to all the current NEX lenses.
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No argument. Yet you have to ask yourself ... if people want pancake lenses for NEX, why didn't they just buy m43 in the first place ? (I'm sure you sleep easily by telling yourself that every last one of us was just too stupid to think of it ...)
  • Dennis
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HOW INSECURE CAN THESE M43 MORONS GET ?

Its fine, you made a mistake to buy a crap sensor camera at a crappier price, but its another thing to self justify your awesomeness at being full of crap by trolling around on a NEX forum. Be happy, or gay or whatever, with what you have, or sell it, get a NEX 7. You'll be only more happier.
 
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