......When I see crap rated higher than my pic, its time to retire. Finished 42, fine with that. Then I examined the rest of the competition... WHAT, I SAID! Some with no composition, unexposed and some are breaking the rules outright finished better than 42...
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My Challenging Days Are Over....
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onlooker
Senior Member
Not that I disagree with you, but it would be nice to at least provide a link to the challenge.
RaptorUK
Senior Member
Maybe it was this one, 47th not 42nd . . .
http://www.dpreview.com/challenges/Entry.aspx?ID=494992&View=Results&Rows=25
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olyflyer
Forum Pro
Can happen to anyone. Don't give up so easy.
happy snapper uk
Leading Member
Seems a bit like sour grapes to me
My pick is better than theirs
Subjective viewing
You liked your shot .. others did not
thats life
You got a pretty good average score in chalenges..over 58%
You cant be in top 10 all the time
My pick is better than theirs
Subjective viewing
You liked your shot .. others did not
thats life
You got a pretty good average score in chalenges..over 58%
You cant be in top 10 all the time
olyflyer
Forum Pro
Right, but why are you telling me this? I am not the one complaining.
RaptorUK
Senior Member
Probably reading Forum and threads in "Flat View" . . .
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happy snapper uk
Leading Member
I didnt say it was you...Did I?
onlooker
Senior Member
You responded to him.
olyflyer
Forum Pro
Right. And in this post he (she?) responded to RaptorUK.
olyflyer
Forum Pro
Who was this message meant to? RaptorUK or me?
Please quote the message you are responding to or even better , click on the "Reply this message" at the bottom of the message you want to respond to to posts in Flat view, not the last message in the thread. That kind of messages cause so many confusions and it is really a very simple process to avoid it.
rowanberry
Member
I take photographs to please first myself, then friends and family. If some of the people I only know as fellow-photographers like them too, then that's the icing on the cake, and why I've started to enter these challenges. My ego is robust enough to survive occasional rejection. On one challenge, the entry I had selected as my personal favourite and voted highly finished in the bottom half, so I posted to comment on its merits and received a pleasant PM back from the other entrant thanking me and commenting in turn on my own efforts. A happy result!
christian jacob
Well-known member
Can't agree more. Some people take this far too seriously.
Furthermore, the main problem with challenges imho is that there are not enough who vote, so that the ranking, at least in the middle of the field, is more or less meaningless.
I at least try to vote for every photo i submit.
So, again imho, for someone[1] who never cast a vote to throw a hissy fit because her/his masterwork didn't get the rank it in his/her mind seems to deserve doesn't make me feel so bad about not having her/his photos in other challenges.
[1] the one who started this thread
olyflyer
Forum Pro
The problem of "not enough votes" is a very minor problem. Few challenges end up with far too few votes IMHO. One problem with the voters is their inability to understand the basics of voting. For example, 0.5 point should be given only to images not matching the rules, not to images "I like this one a little". An image should not get both 5 and 0.5 votes because there is something wrong either with the voters or the image.
The other thing is that it isn't made clear how the votes should be cast.
A third thing is that the level of knowledge of those who vote is totally unknown.
I don't. I mean, this is a fundamentally wrong approach because what you are doing is voting against you, unless you are one of those 0.5 point voters who vote down the competition. Perhaps I misunderstand you and you vote in challenges you don't submit images in, that is OK, but I don't make it a principle that I vote on one image just because I submitted one. Voting is an option open for every member and has nothing to do with how many images a member contributes with. I only have one principle which is never to vote in challenges I am participating in, but I don't keep track on how many images I voted on. But... Looking at my stats, I have voted 215 times which is matching quite well the number of images I submitted so far, which is also around 200.
This is nonsense. There is no obligation in voting. While I'd not start a thread whining over the fact that my image did not end up higher, but I disagree with the connection to the number of votes. Regardless how she/he feels or how many times he/she voted, I also would like to say he/she is still welcome in the future challenges as well.
I do however agree that these challenges are for fun and should not be taken too seriously, not the result part. I make my best on the photography part but if I end up last in a challenge I will not cry.
Figsbury
Leading Member
Maybe nonsense in your view and the system can't make people vote.
My view is that the process works both ways and that the quid pro quo for me enjoying the opportunity to enter challenges is to play my part in the voting. To me it just seems the right thing to do.
Also if people use the challenges as a learning opportunity, they are likely to learn far more by voting on other peoples pictures than by just entering their own.
Mark my words
Well-known member
I have to admit first, that I have entered numerous competitions on this site with some successes and failures but not yet voted on any. I know that seems a little selfish and maybe from now I will try to do some voting but I must also admit that I find it a bit daunting. There are sooo many photos to look through and in fairness I would feel obliged to look at all of them.
I am a member of a phot club and we have competitions and occassional guests. I don't really learn a lot from the competitions because just getting a position in a competition says very little. But we once had a guest speaker (non member therefore neutral) who commented on the good and not so good of many of our photos. That was a really useful session.
Personaly I would like to see some kind of photo forum on DP Review where we can submit photos for review and give other the opportunity to say one good and one bad thing about the uploaded contributions.
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Mark
I am a member of a phot club and we have competitions and occassional guests. I don't really learn a lot from the competitions because just getting a position in a competition says very little. But we once had a guest speaker (non member therefore neutral) who commented on the good and not so good of many of our photos. That was a really useful session.
Personaly I would like to see some kind of photo forum on DP Review where we can submit photos for review and give other the opportunity to say one good and one bad thing about the uploaded contributions.
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Mark
RaptorUK
Senior Member
Thank you for your frankness . . .
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/forum.asp?forum=1005
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olyflyer
Forum Pro
Having casted 36679 votes isn't saying anything about the value or the quality of them. I don't have the time to check out 36679 images the way I think they deserve, so I definitely disagree with most of what you are saying.
There is no obligation to vote, this is a commercial site, so any contribution to the challenges is a contribution to the continuation of this site. And I mean ANY , even contributions from people who never post anything and never cast votes, as long as the rules allow this.
Morally yes, you are right of course if one wants some kind of feedback one should give some as well, but the rules are set up by the owners and the site managers. But this site is not about morals. Also I disagree about the learning. Yes, I can learn from some images and from some photographers, but NOT by looking at every challenge entries or casting votes. Casting votes in volumes gives no knowledge at all in my opinion. The only way to gain knowledge is by studying and looking carefully.
Now, let's not talk about anyone else, just you and me. You have so far casted 36679 votes. If I'd do that I'd have to spend at least 2 minutes with each image, going back and forth, sometimes even for longer than that. 2 minutes by 36679 is equal to 50 days and assuming one has all the time in the world to spend in front of DPR and manages to squeeze out 8 hours per day that demands 152 days... You get the picture...? I cannot for my life understand how you could find so much free time to spend on voting. You see, before criticizing others I think we have to look at ourselves. I cannot believe you have spent more than a few seconds at most, in other words, I am not sure you learned anything from the images you voted on. But we are all different, maybe you are a quick learner and can see a in second what I cannot in a minute.
Figsbury
Leading Member
You seem to think I was criticizing you - there was no criticism, I was simply pointing out that I had a different view of what you said was "nonsense". As you say above "we are all different".
As far as my votes are concerned what's the big deal? Where did I suggest that you should cast 36000 votes? I don't see why you should put me in the position of defending my voting record just so you can "understand" it. You have no idea of my personal circumstances or motivations that determine how long I choose to spend on my interests and I am not going lay them out for you or anyone.
I will go as far to say that I do not vote on thumbnails and I now rarely vote on challenges with more than 50 entries. I don't spend 2 minutes on each entry, I'd be suprised if anyone did, I vote on slideshow and then fine tune using the "my votes facility". In the process I've seen a lot of good, bad and indifferent images and feel that my understanding of what makes a good picture has improved - just my view.
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