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Any rumours on S95 successor?

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Shorthand said:
Both of those are hardware limitations. The video capability of the S & G series is limited by the use of a CCD sensor instead of a backlit CMOS sensor, as discussed above.
Canon remotes require an IR receiver.
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No: The considerably cheaper SD1400 IS shoots 1280 x 720 video at 30 frames per second, compared to only 24 fps for the S95. Both have CCD sensors.

And no again: Remotely controlled shutter operation — wireless, that is — needn't require an IR receiver built into the camera. The receiver could be a small separate unit, independently powered, and plugged into the USB port. However, the previous post wasn't advocating wireless control, merely built-in support for a battery-powered USB cable release.
 
Shorthand said:
For reference, the sensor on a G & S series cameras is 44% bigger (1/2 stop) than most compact cameras and should have 1/2 stop better high ISO noise performance assuming everything else was equal.

While I think there has been some innovation in inexpensive low-dispersion optics, we're still kind of locked in to a tight relationship between sensor size, zoom range, and lens size. After all chromatic aberrations can also be corrected in software.

About the only way around the relationship that I know of is the Pelican Imaging idea of a fixed camera array with different lenses focused at different distances.

I am actually a little surprised that we haven't seen more of Pelican in the film business, who would LOVE to be able to set focus plane and depth of field in post production.
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Do you mean this?
http://raytrix.de/
 
Doug Bale said:
For starters, they could add features Canon has already incorporated into some of its other, cheaper point-and-shoots that are the same size or smaller, such as the superior 1080p HD video and the 8.2 fps burst mode of the 100HS.

Also, they could add built-in software support for wireless remote control, to work either with one of their existing controllers or a new one.
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chdk(firmware-hack) supports usb-cables(with integr. battery). I have a version with integrated plug for radio-controllers by digi-dat.de.
 
Is this speculation or based on actual fact?
Shorthand said:
Optically and in terms of sensor technology, I'm not entirely sure that there is actual room for improvement. As far as I can tell, the current sensor has pretty much pushed the uncooled CCD as far as it will go. There are one or two technologies out there that promise to get that last stop of quantum efficiency that is theoretically available, but I would be surprised if any of them are ready for production yet as we haven't seen them in RED cameras or other professional applications.
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CCDs aren't inherently limited to VGA video or low-quality 720p video.
Shorthand said:
Both of those are hardware limitations. The video capability of the S & G series is limited by the use of a CCD sensor instead of a backlit CMOS sensor, as discussed above.
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Still and video quality are inversely proportional :p?
Shorthand said:
We can expect the S series and G series to continue to put photo quality over video quality (as you noted, there are other cameras for the video first segment).
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The D7000 doesn't have a backlit sensor.
Shorthand said:
I would like to debate that the D7000 backlit sensor is 95% that of the Sony CCD in the S & G series. Also, please note that the two sensors are the same size at 1/1.7".
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If it had a bright lens throughout the zoom range, to me, it would be a perfect camera if everything else functioned like it does now.
 
tkpatric said:
voz said:
suma said:
I do not care much about the big LCDs, but would like a small camera with a good EVF.
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Same here.
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Same here.
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Same here. But "very good", not "good". And how large would such a S100 be?

Hoping for EVF in something smaller than Fuji X100, maybe a Panasonic GF3, Ricoh GXR... Or G13. But afraid we could have to wait a year or two.

Apart from that S95 is at the top of my small camera list. But if S100 is better, fine!
 
...Regarding why CCD sensors are currently used in the current crop of the best enthusiast's compact fixed lens cameras (The S95, the LX5, and the XZ-1). The current state of CMOS sensor technology makes them cheaper to manufacture, better for continuous burst shooting and higher iso work, but as far as image quality goes when they're compared to CCD sensor-ed cameras at more frequently used iso's all other factors being made as equal as practical, they just won't cut it as far I.Q. goes. One needs to go no further than compare this current year's Lumix FZ40 and FZ100 bridge cameras, virtually the same camera except for the higher res video on the FZ100 and it's tacked on bells and whistles. Internally the FZ100 is CMOS sensor-ed, the FZ40 has the same mega-pixel and sized CCD sensor. The FZ40 has superior I.Q., the FZ100 a higher continuous shooting burst rate, and the aforementioned bells and whistles (swing out flippy screen, hot shoe, and 1080p video compared to the FZ40's stationary lcd, no hot shoe, and 720p HD video. Wouldn't be a great move for the supposed "newer!, and better!" S90 and S95 replacement to be saddled w/ a CMOS sensor, unless a pretty major leap in I.Q. w/ CMOS sensors can somehow be obtained.
 
I have an S95 and love it. Canon should consider adding a PC port so if you really wanted to sync a flash, you could mount an external hotshoe on a bracket. Just a thought.
 
The issue with front-lit CMOS sensors is that there needs to be two wires running to each pixel (i.e. a grid). For DSLRs, the pixel pitch is big enough where it isn't an issue. For compact cameras, the pixel pitch is small enough where the wires block a significant portion of the light - hence the move to back-lit CMOS sensors.
 
...the SIZE of those CMOS sensors in DSLR's is 13+ times the SIZE of the sensors in 95% of the cameras that make up the P&S compact camera market, and they're more than 8+ times the size of the sensors in the S95, the LX5, or the XZ-1. Impossible to put one of those that size in a camera body that has the current form factor of what is now a Canon "S-series" camera.
 
... as an example: the Canon Rebel XS (a DSLR) and the S95, the LX5, and the XZ-1 all have sensors that handle 10MP of light information. The Rebel XS's CMOS sensor size though is more than 7.5x the size of the CCD sensor in the S95. Combine that w/ the Rebel XS's comparatively HUGE camera body size which allows the much larger sensor and associated wiring, and of course the I.Q. of the photographs taken by the Rebel are going to be better. Anyone who wants to offer some theories as to how to shoehorn a CMOS sensor that's 7.5x+ the size of the current CCD sensor in the S95, w/ all of it's associated electronic wiring, and incorporate larger lenses for the larger sensor,while keeping or surpassing the S95's current level of I.Q., keep the current Canon S-series camera's size format, AND most importantly keeping it at a price point that's not going to easily blow past Leica D-Lux 5 territory, please get back in touch w/ me ASAP and let me know how that endeavor is working out for you, 'k?
 
The successor of S95 must have a hot shoe. While it's impractical for event photography, some who already have a canon flash will really appreciate the option of using it.

Ebay sellers who take quality photos will really appreciate a hotshoe, which will allow an option of wireless flash photography.

I had to skip on buying of S90 and S95 due to the fact that it has no hot shoe. For me it's a matter of buying or not buying.

I hope they also make some more negligeable improvements such as faster lens, such as 1.8 on the wider end, improved video quality.

I for one hate to see dull gray digital photos and I wish Canon gave us an option of setting the levels and curves internally so that we don't have to shoot raw anymore.

Lower the megapixel count. We don't need 10mp, nobody for practical photography does. we need less noise. I vote for 5-6 megapixels max.
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They could always do a 2/3 sensor at 10MP like Fuji (though without EXR).

The s95 is pretty good the way it is. We already have the competitors with their larger bodies and now the x10 with a more classic layout and an OVF (like the G12). The s95 is the last of the compact, large-sensor cams, like Fuji was putting out from the F-series. It should stay that way and the hotshoe should be reserved for the G-series, while that receives a faster lens.

The strength of the S95 is the compact layouot with the large sensor, with additional controls. No one else has it. It would need a faster lens, which is possible in the same size, or at least make it more impressive at zoom.
 
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