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Samsung states that due to lack of e.v.f sales the NX200 has been designed without one.

So why not give people an articulated screen which Samsung know people generally like?

I note some review sites are pointing this out strongly saying it would have been nice with an e.v.f or at least with a swivel screen.
RMW487.
 
Well, it's too late now. The NX200 is already out. Maybe in some next model they will do something smarter.
 
Compact40MP Wrote;

Well, it's too late now. The NX200 is already out. Maybe in some next model they will do something smarter.
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Sadly it is too late. Could it be the new sensor cost so much to produce the e.v.f or articulated screen were sacrificed to keep costs down?
RMW487.
 
filibuster wrote;

I can wait: An articulated LCD is a must have feature for me!
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The problem is once you have used an EX1 articulated screen there’s no going back to yesteryears fixed ones.
RMW487.
 
Sony was criticized for a lack of an EVF on their NEX5, so they came out with a new EVF that puts everyone else to shame. Samsung on the other hand decided to eliminate the option all together.

The NEX 5N has a tilltable (is that a word?) screen and an option for an EVF. The NX200 has neither and is more expensive. Don't you think that might be a harder sell?

All the websites are wetting their pants over the 5N. Even EOSHD, which was primarily a site dedicated to Canon DSLR video, is talking about the 5N like it's the second freaking coming.

SF Photo Gal
Canon 1DsIII & 5DII/Panasonic GH1-GF1-LX3
 
I ummed and aaarrggghheed over the EX1 and the LX5 .. and eventually went with the LX5 ... ut really miss the wonderful screen on the EX1 ... and I thought that Samsung were bound to put that on their new ? NX200 ... cant believe they didn't .....? NX300

--otherwiselooks a great camera very elegant ... but with no EVF either its a deal breaker for me sadly !!!
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Tom bell wrote;

I ummed and aaarrggghheed over the EX1 and the LX5 .. and eventually went with the LX5 ... ut really miss the wonderful screen on the EX1 ... and I thought that Samsung were bound to put that on their new ? NX200 ... cant believe they didn't .....? NX300

--otherwiselooks a great camera very elegant ... but with no EVF either its a deal breaker for me sadly !!!

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The NX200 is the most desirable camera I’ve seen to date but for me the lack of an articulated screen is a deal breaker also. Samsung should have gone the extra mile to satisfy the mass market, that way I believe the sales would have gone through the roof.
RMW487.
 
SF Photo Gal said:
Sony was criticized for a lack of an EVF on their NEX5, so they came out with a new EVF that puts everyone else to shame. Samsung on the other hand decided to eliminate the option all together.

The NEX 5N has a tilltable (is that a word?) screen and an option for an EVF. The NX200 has neither and is more expensive. Don't you think that might be a harder sell?

All the websites are wetting their pants over the 5N. Even EOSHD, which was primarily a site dedicated to Canon DSLR video, is talking about the 5N like it's the second freaking coming.

SF Photo Gal
Canon 1DsIII & 5DII/Panasonic GH1-GF1-LX3
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aside from a different sensor used (2010 Sony Sensor same on D7K and K-5) on the NEX-5N, what major significant difference does it have over the NEX-5? the EVF is not really a built-in feature on the NEX-5N, it's an accessory. so do you think that Sony releasing a refurbished NEX-5 (NEX-5N) should cost or sell more than they are selling for today?

if we were going to compare the NX200 based on price to performance ratio, I believe it would make sense if we compare it to it's predecessor rather than a different camera brand inorder to see what significant improvement it has over the other. of course, the price comparison should reflect the original launch price of both cameras.
 
RMW487 said:
Tom bell wrote;

I ummed and aaarrggghheed over the EX1 and the LX5 .. and eventually went with the LX5 ... ut really miss the wonderful screen on the EX1 ... and I thought that Samsung were bound to put that on their new ? NX200 ... cant believe they didn't .....? NX300

--otherwiselooks a great camera very elegant ... but with no EVF either its a deal breaker for me sadly !!!

---REPLY---

The NX200 is the most desirable camera I’ve seen to date but for me the lack of an articulated screen is a deal breaker also. Samsung should have gone the extra mile to satisfy the mass market, that way I believe the sales would have gone through the roof.
RMW487.
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for me, an articulated screen is pointless if it's not OLED or AMOLED. basic LCD won't cut it as it still won't be off great quality display.
 
The only people wetting their pants about the NEX line in general are Sony fans, those who have a ton of Alpha glass and plan on spending $400 for the big adapter, or folks that don't understand the small and poor quality assortment that is the native E mount library at this time.

The 5N and 7 sensors are totally wasted on existing NEX glass. You have to go either Legacy/Adapter or A-mount/Adapter route to really exploit what the cameras can do.

Otherwise, Sony has done a very impressive job with the 5N, but I don't know that the tilt screen/EVF capabilities by themselves make it so deserving of hype than the NX200 -- I simply tend to think Sony is better at the PR game.

Right now, Samsung has the best selection and superior quality of lenses. I would like an EVF option or tilting screen, but it's no substitute for good native AF lenses without a need for a big expensive pellicle adapter.
 
RMW487 said:
The problem is once you have used an EX1 articulated screen there’s no going back to yesteryears fixed ones.
RMW487.
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I've had a G2 and D5000, as well as SX20IS, all with articulated screens. It's nice to have and while I do miss it on occasion, it's not a dealbreaker for me. I just didn't use that feature enough (same with EVF). Over 90% of my shots can be done with the regular screen.

That said, I agree of course - Samsung should have included it.
 
Ariston said:
SF Photo Gal said:
Sony was criticized for a lack of an EVF on their NEX5, so they came out with a new EVF that puts everyone else to shame. Samsung on the other hand decided to eliminate the option all together.

The NEX 5N has a tilltable (is that a word?) screen and an option for an EVF. The NX200 has neither and is more expensive. Don't you think that might be a harder sell?

All the websites are wetting their pants over the 5N. Even EOSHD, which was primarily a site dedicated to Canon DSLR video, is talking about the 5N like it's the second freaking coming.

SF Photo Gal
Canon 1DsIII & 5DII/Panasonic GH1-GF1-LX3
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aside from a different sensor used (2010 Sony Sensor same on D7K and K-5) on the NEX-5N, what major significant difference does it have over the NEX-5? the EVF is not really a built-in feature on the NEX-5N, it's an accessory. so do you think that Sony releasing a refurbished NEX-5 (NEX-5N) should cost or sell more than they are selling for today?

if we were going to compare the NX200 based on price to performance ratio, I believe it would make sense if we compare it to it's predecessor rather than a different camera brand inorder to see what significant improvement it has over the other. of course, the price comparison should reflect the original launch price of both cameras.
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All I know is what I read. And people ARE going to compare brands relative to features and costs. What went before is of no relevance.

All the trades are going ape over the NEX5N.

SF Photo Gal
Canon 1DsIII & 5DII/Panasonic GH1-GF1-LX3
 
Ariston said:
aside from a different sensor used (2010 Sony Sensor same on D7K and K-5) on the NEX-5N, what major significant difference does it have over the NEX-5? the EVF is not really a built-in feature on the NEX-5N, it's an accessory. so do you think that Sony releasing a refurbished NEX-5 (NEX-5N) should cost or sell more than they are selling for today?
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Sony listened to its customers and fixed some of the issues with the NEX-5. The 5N is far from perfect, but it added the following:
  • Improved 16MP sensor, with microlens correction
  • In camera lens correction
  • Improved JPEG engine and better exposure
  • Manual video controls; 1080/60p/24p @higher bit rates
  • Lowered the shutter noise; electronic curtain shutter; improved shutter lag
  • Touch screen & more programmable selections for better UI
  • Improved battery life
  • EVF option
but kept the price the same.
Ariston said:
if we were going to compare the NX200 based on price to performance ratio, I believe it would make sense if we compare it to it's predecessor rather than a different camera brand inorder to see what significant improvement it has over the other. of course, the price comparison should reflect the original launch price of both cameras.
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From NX100 to NX200, Samsung took away the EVF option, but raised the price (while some features still lagging the competition).

Some of us were waiting eagerly for the NX200 to jump to Samsung for the better lenses. Maybe wait a little longer now; or perhaps wait for Sony to come out with more compact lenses (the existing lenses already perform better with the new sensor and lens correction in 5N).
 
SF Photo Gal said:
Ariston said:
SF Photo Gal said:
Sony was criticized for a lack of an EVF on their NEX5, so they came out with a new EVF that puts everyone else to shame. Samsung on the other hand decided to eliminate the option all together.

The NEX 5N has a tilltable (is that a word?) screen and an option for an EVF. The NX200 has neither and is more expensive. Don't you think that might be a harder sell?

All the websites are wetting their pants over the 5N. Even EOSHD, which was primarily a site dedicated to Canon DSLR video, is talking about the 5N like it's the second freaking coming.

SF Photo Gal
Canon 1DsIII & 5DII/Panasonic GH1-GF1-LX3
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aside from a different sensor used (2010 Sony Sensor same on D7K and K-5) on the NEX-5N, what major significant difference does it have over the NEX-5? the EVF is not really a built-in feature on the NEX-5N, it's an accessory. so do you think that Sony releasing a refurbished NEX-5 (NEX-5N) should cost or sell more than they are selling for today?

if we were going to compare the NX200 based on price to performance ratio, I believe it would make sense if we compare it to it's predecessor rather than a different camera brand inorder to see what significant improvement it has over the other. of course, the price comparison should reflect the original launch price of both cameras.
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All I know is what I read. And people ARE going to compare brands relative to features and costs. What went before is of no relevance.

All the trades are going ape over the NEX5N.

SF Photo Gal
Canon 1DsIII & 5DII/Panasonic GH1-GF1-LX3
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of course, we can't avoid people comparing brands. I'm just saying that it would make more relevance to compare what they are really getting from the previous version and people I dunno for whatever reason seem to overlook that. I have no problems whatsoever if the some are going ape over the NEX5N. for them the NEX5N should be enough no matter what weaknesses it has they could live with. for me, the lack of lenses , still ugly and awkward design and poor UI are more of a big deal for me. the same reason that some don't like the NX200 for it's lack of EVF support, tilt/swivel screen, poor jpeg, and possibly RAW. but ultimately it has to do with the pricing. I don't believe I would hear a lot of complaints if the NX200 was price around the NEX-5N. so it would depend on what people could live with afterwards.

to be honest, the NX lens roadmap is a one major factor that kept the NX system afloat. not saying that the previous NX cameras are terrible, but having such lenses is a major luxury for NX users and worth investing on an NX system.
 
shlam said:
From NX100 to NX200, Samsung took away the EVF option, but raised the price (while some features still lagging the competition).
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aren't you being biased with this statement? since you have time to enumerate the improvements of the NEX-5N over the NEX-5, I think it would be fair to enumerate the improvements of the NX200 over the NX100. instead you just simply summarized that they took one feature out of the NX100 and made it appear that nothing has been done on the NX200.
 
True; maybe you can tabulate them if you are more familiar with the NX200. From the preview, I can't see too much (video to 1080 but still only 30p; speed to 7fps but less than 5N's 10fps; battery life lower than before). Unless the sensor is brilliant, I can't see how it can be priced more than the NEX-5N.
Ariston said:
shlam said:
From NX100 to NX200, Samsung took away the EVF option, but raised the price (while some features still lagging the competition).
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aren't you being biased with this statement? since you have time to enumerate the improvements of the NEX-5N over the NEX-5, I think it would be fair to enumerate the improvements of the NX200 over the NX100. instead you just simply summarized that they took one feature out of the NX100 and made it appear that nothing has been done on the NX200.
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How about 20mp (vs14 on the NX100), ISO upped from 3200(6400) to 12800, 7fps, 100ms AF, 3D Pano, improved iFn, metal body, better grip, deeper buffer, faster processor?

There are more improvements as well...
 
shlam said:
True; maybe you can tabulate them if you are more familiar with the NX200. From the preview, I can't see too much (video to 1080 but still only 30p; speed to 7fps but less than 5N's 10fps; battery life lower than before). Unless the sensor is brilliant, I can't see how it can be priced more than the NEX-5N.
Ariston said:
shlam said:
From NX100 to NX200, Samsung took away the EVF option, but raised the price (while some features still lagging the competition).
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aren't you being biased with this statement? since you have time to enumerate the improvements of the NEX-5N over the NEX-5, I think it would be fair to enumerate the improvements of the NX200 over the NX100. instead you just simply summarized that they took one feature out of the NX100 and made it appear that nothing has been done on the NX200.
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wow, how could you miss the 20MP sensor on the NEX200 over the 16 on the NEX-5N? that's basically a headliner. or is it because it is one of those things that the NEX-5N doesn't have over the NX200. AMOLED versus plain LCD display is pretty much not even a contest even if the screen is a tilt and swivel LCD. better form factor, ergonomics and UI. video at 720p is at 60fps btw. FPS is consistently 7 fps with the NX200 while NEX-5N lowers the fps count as it shoots with RAW and RAW+Jpeg format.

NX200 has significantly much faster AF than NEX-5N also AF accuracy and focus lock is more important than out of focus images by more jpeg fps. the NX could shoot up to 1/200 flash sych while NEX-5N can only do 1/160. 1:1 aspect ratio. multi-motion recording. more useful focus mode options over the NEX-5N. AF ASSIST LAMP. magic frame. more scene mode options. NX200 seems to have a new metering implementation. dof preview, orientation sensors, print compliance. atleast that's we know for now spec-wise.
 
Loring von Palleske said:
How about 20mp (vs14 on the NX100), ISO upped from 3200(6400) to 12800, 7fps, 100ms AF, 3D Pano, improved iFn, metal body, better grip, deeper buffer, faster processor?

There are more improvements as well...
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thanks, I forgot about that 3D/PANO feature as well. and 100ms AF. I still dunno what the DIS is for but it is still and could be a very useful additional feature and capability. I suppose the AF could be significantly faster than ever. Yes, it is good to have a deeper buffer and faster processor as well. to be honest, enumerating these improvements somehow made me realize and consider the NX200 more seriously apart from the upcoming NX lenses. I think I have to thank shlam for that. :)
 
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