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dont worry - Sigma will make a strong comeback
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rattymouse
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What about the 6 people who bought the SD1? Won't that make them angry?
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The problem with any kind of camera like the SD1 isn't only the price.
The machine is also very slow, need top end glass to be "normally" resolved, need über expensive and massive CF cards to store the mega huge files it produce.
To PP, those huge mega files you also need a very VERY good computer loaded with latest technologies such as big SSD, processor and DDR.
Using only this system at a pro level is a suicide. It is a money sucker.
Its why it should be at normal price.
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The machine is also very slow, need top end glass to be "normally" resolved, need über expensive and massive CF cards to store the mega huge files it produce.
To PP, those huge mega files you also need a very VERY good computer loaded with latest technologies such as big SSD, processor and DDR.
Using only this system at a pro level is a suicide. It is a money sucker.
Its why it should be at normal price.
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Rubbish. I was doing post-processing on the scans from an 8000lpi X5 on a 2.16GHz iMac. Any modern computer short of a Macbook Air or Netbook should be able to handle the files fine; SPP is the problem. When I look at the way SPP behaves, I don't look at the 8-core computer under the desk and question its ability to handle files, I look at the software!
You'd have thought digital imaging was impossible when I started out with a Mac which had a whole 340MB HD attached... IIRC, the scanning camera (Lumina) made files around 26MB. I read a lot of books back then, waiting for scans on that or the 45T scanner!
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Yes I forgot to mention The SPP issue who is the Computer Issue. I doubt SPP will improve much
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dabadger
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I don't see that happening. The SD1 has become Simga's flagship, so to speak. I do expect a new camera, but maybe 6 to 8 X3 megapixels. This will probalby happen within the next 18 months. I also expect better low light performance as has been demonstrated with the SD 1.
Just my speculation!
Just my speculation!
stanislaw stitchanow
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if they anounce something.
But I think they will make first a new DPx Pro Camera for around 5000 Euros. Releasing it than in September 2012 at Photokina.
But I think they will make first a new DPx Pro Camera for around 5000 Euros. Releasing it than in September 2012 at Photokina.
Halldor Eiriksson
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So the high price is in the body, not the sensor.
i will
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Paul Petersen
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I sure hope they come out with something before all my hair turns grey...
Their is no reasonable explanation for the pricing of the SD1 other than pure hubris on the part of Sigma management/owners.
If Sigma was a public company the next shareholders meeting would not be pleasant. Then again if Sigma was a public company the X3 would be dead and buried at this point or snapped up by Sony.
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Their is no reasonable explanation for the pricing of the SD1 other than pure hubris on the part of Sigma management/owners.
If Sigma was a public company the next shareholders meeting would not be pleasant. Then again if Sigma was a public company the X3 would be dead and buried at this point or snapped up by Sony.
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Or it cost $x million to develop and tool up for and they expect to sell in the low thousands, rather than the hundreds of thousands needed to provide the volume to sell that mechanical (never mind electronic) spec of camera for $1800.
Has anyone considered that the reputed discussion between Yamakis was not "Son, we can sell this for $7000, it is like MF", but rather "Father, I am SURE we can sell 100,000 of these if we price it at $2000" "Son, we've yet to sell 100,000 of any single camera body, we might sell 10,000, but they'd need to be $7000".
Kazuto Yamaki has allegedly said he argued for a lower price. We don't know the nature of that argument - it's been assumed that Michihiro just wanted a higher price. Has Michihiro traditionally sought the HIGHER price for any of the other products made since Sigma was founded? Even the recent 70-200 OS, whilst damn close to a Nikon VR II in performance, had a lower SRP (and yet lower street price).
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DavidMillier
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If you are correct, that simply means Sigma shouldn't be in the camera business as they can't be any more price competitive than, say, MPP could! Anyone can make products if they are allowed to charge what they feel like but capitalism forces you to find ways to reduce costs to beat your competitors or die...
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This is Sigma we're talking about. "releasing" in 2012 means consumers will be able to buy it in 2015.
Imagine for a moment
Sigma decides not to compete with their Foveon anymore and announced they're shutting down production. They firesale inventory $99 for the SD1 and $49 for DP series.
Suddenly, everyone knows the Sigma brand and everyone wants the camera. People line up outside Photo stores for days on the chance of getting one.
Don't say it can't happen. HP did it.
this isn't my prediction. I'm just hypothesizing how the scenario would play out. I don't want to see that happen (unless I'm first in line
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Sigma decides not to compete with their Foveon anymore and announced they're shutting down production. They firesale inventory $99 for the SD1 and $49 for DP series.
Suddenly, everyone knows the Sigma brand and everyone wants the camera. People line up outside Photo stores for days on the chance of getting one.
Don't say it can't happen. HP did it.
this isn't my prediction. I'm just hypothesizing how the scenario would play out. I don't want to see that happen (unless I'm first in line
). I'm sure they'll tweet their anger on their Touchpads they bought at product launch.
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Scott Greiff
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I certainly hope they can do this, but I surely wouldn't want them to skimp on build quality or functionality of the SD1 with a new camera. Weather sealing, mag-alloy, control layout are bare minimum with "enthusiast" grade cameras now-a-days. Just look at the D7000, A77, 7D. That's pretty much the build / operational / functional baseline for that class of camera, I would say. I don't think anyone would be interested in a camera at the functional level of the SD15 in a year's time.
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stanislaw stitchanow
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Yeah people will wait in front of Camera stores and find no SD and DP cameras as they are barely in any stores 
spalbird
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Sigma had been like this in the past, announcing a DSLR with competetive specs, years before the camera hit the market. This had not been the case for the DP series. The SD1 is ahead of time, pixel rocks and backend not sufficient. Price high, because it is introduced much ahead, supply not stable and expensive raw materials for Sigma as well. They had an anniversary, for this they needed a product which causes high attention. They have the attention now, good or bad, they are in memories of many in spite of almost no own advertisingThis is Sigma we're talking about. "releasing" in 2012 means consumers will be able to buy it in 2015.
Price will come down and cycles of models in the last years shows that has massively improved as well...
wolfgang
Sorry, I'm pretty ignorant regarding Sigma and Foveon, but just how big are SD1 raw files? Aren't they nominally about 15Mpix only (knowing that they outresolve a Bayer sensor picture of the same nominal resolution)? Or are they huge in comparison to older Sigmas only?
Did you mean to say this was the case wit the DP1. I bought it at launch in 2008. I remember us mocking the marketing back in 2006.
"September 26th 2006:
The Sigma Corporation is pleased to announce the launch of the new, groundbreaking Sigma DP1..."
brittonx
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With my SD1, my RAWs are averaging around 50MB. Remember, we have 3x the data versus a typical 15mp sensor. A 15mp Bayer sensor has 15 million sensors. A 15mp Foveon has around 45 million sensors.
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