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Reading through all the infrmation I can gather it seems to me the X10 OVF
  • will not show any information regarding aperture and shutter speed used
  • will not have any light meter indication in manual exposure mode
  • will not show the AF field used
  • will hide 15% of the image I'm taking
  • will maybe not even have parallax correction for close objects
  • will not show a live histogram.
That seems unbelievable to me and would certainly be a deal killer, so please someone tell me I'm wrong!
 
First thought to your post: Um, so?

Yes, even if all that is correct... which we don't really know just yet.

A bigger brighter view is completely welcome for a camera of this class, and kudos to Fuji for designing it. You'll likely be in the minority of those who don't appreciate the effort that went into developing a nicely sized OVF for a compact camera.

And if you're right, I still don't care. :) I'll just be glad to have this camera for myself and I care of nothing else right now.

Btw, not being harsh here either, tongue in cheek a bit, its all good, just a camera.

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If you need to see all the controls and indicators in the optical viewfinder, this is not for you. But, if you want to see the image of the scene, person, or thing you're taking a picture of, seeing it with a little more detail and impact, well, then a bigger, brighter optical viewfinder is better in and of itself - much better. If the finder is statically inaccurate, smaller in scope than about 85% of the field of view of the lens, or if it doesn't accurately follow the view of the lens while zooming, then it wouldn't matter that much how big or bright it was. But, otherwise, bring it on .
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David Franklin said:
If you need to see all the controls and indicators in the optical viewfinder, this is not for you. But, if you want to see the image of the scene, person, or thing you're taking a picture of, seeing it with a little more detail and impact, well, then a bigger, brighter optical viewfinder is better in and of itself - much better. If the finder is statically inaccurate, smaller in scope than about 85% of the field of view of the lens, or if it doesn't accurately follow the view of the lens while zooming, then it wouldn't matter that much how big or bright it was. But, otherwise, bring it on .
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This camera is going to deliver a completely different viewfinder experience compared to the X100. I suspect that X100 owners will find it a big letdown. One of my greatest challenges as a photographer is to make sure that the edges of the frame are carefully thought out. Often, I will find that I have chopped off a part of interest at the edge because I failed to be careful in this area. The X10's viewfinder will be hopeless in this area. 15% of the frame will just be plain missing. Sure you can crop if need be, but then you are losing valuable focal length. And how will parallax error be handled with? That is two things working against you in composing a nice shot using the viewfinder. Quite the challenge.

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Its hard to understand ppl who always say their old tool/item was better. Yet they look for new, then dump on it. Why not just be quietly happy with the old then?

I thing the vf in this cam is near-revolutionary for a pocket cam...and that has high appeal. Tests will tell, but sure looks like a winner !
 
Although I wish the X10 did have those features, you have to consider everything. It would cost alot more. The camera would be bigger (its already quite big) and then it would take away from the X100. I say if you need those features, just get the x100.

Looking at the X10, it has a much better placement for the flash than the X100. They could do that because they got rid of all those parts that needed for the display like the X100.
 
rattymouse said:
This camera is going to deliver a completely different viewfinder experience compared to the X100. I suspect that X100 owners will find it a big letdown. One of my greatest challenges as a photographer is to make sure that the edges of the frame are carefully thought out. Often, I will find that I have chopped off a part of interest at the edge because I failed to be careful in this area. The X10's viewfinder will be hopeless in this area. 15% of the frame will just be plain missing. Sure you can crop if need be, but then you are losing valuable focal length. And how will parallax error be handled with? That is two things working against you in composing a nice shot using the viewfinder. Quite the challenge.

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The amount of photos i have seen from dslrs (even from pros) with chopped off elbows, chopped off hands, bits growing out of people heads, parts of objects sawn off.

Careful composition is careful composition.

My GX8 (2005) had a fixed OVF it was fine for composition.

X10 zoom OVF (3 aspherical elements & 2 prisms) is something i hoped my digilix2 had (as did other d2 devotees).

Without actually seeing and using X10 OVF, im surprised people can just rattle off such negativity.
 
noobdprseller said:
Without actually seeing and using X10 OVF, im surprised people can just rattle off such negativity.
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It's because they don't know anything about cameras and the simple way they work and do not trust the settings they have made. They would do better to use an old film camera for a few months to see how simple they really are. Then they would be able to use their digital cameras in the knowledge that the settings they choose will actually work.

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From fujiguys TweetDeck 19 hours ago:

@fujiguysThe Fuji Guys
@fnicastri It is purely a OVF. No Info like #Fujifilm X100


So, it's a fact
Take it , or leave it
 
brunobarolo said:
That seems unbelievable to me and would certainly be a deal killer, so please someone tell me I'm wrong!
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Why would you be wrong? It sounds about right and it's certainly not a deal breaker to me. A tad brighter and larger than the Canon G11/G12 OVFs and I'm in.
 
noobdprseller said:
rattymouse said:
This camera is going to deliver a completely different viewfinder experience compared to the X100. I suspect that X100 owners will find it a big letdown. One of my greatest challenges as a photographer is to make sure that the edges of the frame are carefully thought out. Often, I will find that I have chopped off a part of interest at the edge because I failed to be careful in this area. The X10's viewfinder will be hopeless in this area. 15% of the frame will just be plain missing. Sure you can crop if need be, but then you are losing valuable focal length. And how will parallax error be handled with? That is two things working against you in composing a nice shot using the viewfinder. Quite the challenge.

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http://fujifilmimages.aminus3.com/
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The amount of photos i have seen from dslrs (even from pros) with chopped off elbows, chopped off hands, bits growing out of people heads, parts of objects sawn off.

Careful composition is careful composition.
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noobdprseller said:
Without actually seeing and using X10 OVF, im surprised people can just rattle off such negativity.
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If 15% of your image is not viewable in the viewfinder, exactly how are you going to compose carefully???

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http://fujifilmimages.aminus3.com/
 
rattymouse said:
noobdprseller said:
rattymouse said:
This camera is going to deliver a completely different viewfinder experience compared to the X100. I suspect that X100 owners will find it a big letdown. One of my greatest challenges as a photographer is to make sure that the edges of the frame are carefully thought out. Often, I will find that I have chopped off a part of interest at the edge because I failed to be careful in this area. The X10's viewfinder will be hopeless in this area. 15% of the frame will just be plain missing. Sure you can crop if need be, but then you are losing valuable focal length. And how will parallax error be handled with? That is two things working against you in composing a nice shot using the viewfinder. Quite the challenge.

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http://fujifilmimages.aminus3.com/
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The amount of photos i have seen from dslrs (even from pros) with chopped off elbows, chopped off hands, bits growing out of people heads, parts of objects sawn off.

Careful composition is careful composition.
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Member said:
Without actually seeing and using X10 OVF, im surprised people can just rattle off such negativity.
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If 15% of your image is not viewable in the viewfinder, exactly how are you going to compose carefully???

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http://fujifilmimages.aminus3.com/
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Presumably as is done on thousands of other compacts, from the rear view screen. Seems to work fine with my F200 EXR. Won a few, in class, competitions as well with that camera. No ovf either. :)

Dave. (UK)
 
Member said:
Member said:
Careful composition is careful composition.

Without actually seeing and using X10 OVF, im surprised people can just rattle off such negativity.
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If 15% of your image is not viewable in the viewfinder, exactly how are you going to compose carefully???
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By actually using the camera when it is released and not by making statements as you have done without you even having used its OVF.
 
David Clarke29 said:
rattymouse said:
noobdprseller said:
rattymouse said:
This camera is going to deliver a completely different viewfinder experience compared to the X100. I suspect that X100 owners will find it a big letdown. One of my greatest challenges as a photographer is to make sure that the edges of the frame are carefully thought out. Often, I will find that I have chopped off a part of interest at the edge because I failed to be careful in this area. The X10's viewfinder will be hopeless in this area. 15% of the frame will just be plain missing. Sure you can crop if need be, but then you are losing valuable focal length. And how will parallax error be handled with? That is two things working against you in composing a nice shot using the viewfinder. Quite the challenge.

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http://fujifilmimages.aminus3.com/
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The amount of photos i have seen from dslrs (even from pros) with chopped off elbows, chopped off hands, bits growing out of people heads, parts of objects sawn off.

Careful composition is careful composition.
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David Clarke29 said:
Without actually seeing and using X10 OVF, im surprised people can just rattle off such negativity.
Click to expand...
If 15% of your image is not viewable in the viewfinder, exactly how are you going to compose carefully???

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http://fujifilmimages.aminus3.com/
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Presumably as is done on thousands of other compacts, from the rear view screen. Seems to work fine with my F200 EXR. Won a few, in class, competitions as well with that camera. No ovf either. :)
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So $700 doesnt buy you much extra then, does it?

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http://fujifilmimages.aminus3.com/
 
noobdprseller said:
noobdprseller said:
noobdprseller said:
Careful composition is careful composition.

Without actually seeing and using X10 OVF, im surprised people can just rattle off such negativity.
Click to expand...
If 15% of your image is not viewable in the viewfinder, exactly how are you going to compose carefully???
Click to expand...
By actually using the camera when it is released and not by making statements as you have done without you even having used its OVF.
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15% is 15%.

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http://fujifilmimages.aminus3.com/
 
brunobarolo said:
Reading through all the infrmation I can gather it seems to me the X10 OVF
  • will not show any information regarding aperture and shutter speed used
  • will not have any light meter indication in manual exposure mode
  • will not show the AF field used
  • will hide 15% of the image I'm taking
  • will maybe not even have parallax correction for close objects
  • will not show a live histogram.
That seems unbelievable to me and would certainly be a deal killer, so please someone tell me I'm wrong!
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If you are right, this may be deal-breaker for me.
 
rattymouse said:
noobdprseller said:
rattymouse said:
If 15% of your image is not viewable in the viewfinder, exactly how are you going to compose carefully???
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By actually using the camera when it is released and not by making statements as you have done without you even having used its OVF.
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15% is 15%.
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I'm assuming the 85% coverage refers to 'area'...

In which case the linear shortfall, horizontally & vertically is only about 8% each (so the effective difference in focal length/crop factor is also only 8%).

As regards composition, I don't see any issue - there's a 8% 'safety margin' (to cover unavoidable design/manufacturing limitations).

If you had to crop out the excess image captured, in terms of picture quality
a 15% reduction in pixel count is fairly trivial.

The more significant issue for composition, will be parallax error when shooting near subjects.
 
voz said:
.... A tad brighter and larger than the Canon G11/G12 OVFs and I'm in.
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Fuji say the X10's OVF 'view angle' is 20 degrees - although they don't state whether that's across the diagonal or the horizontal - so let's assume it's the diagonal.

I have a G11, and I've just measured its OVF 'view angle' as approximately 16 degrees across the diagonal (ignoring the rounded corners).

If my figures/assumptions are correct, then the X10 OVF would be about 26% bigger linearly, and therefore about 60% bigger in terms of area.

That would be a clearly appreciable increase in size - but not massive.
 
You seem set on disuading people away from the X10. The hearsay points you have been attempting to make lead me to believe that either you are inexperienced and have no idea what is required to take a good photograph without assistance from 'bells and whistles' or you are a (not very good) Troll.

Having started on a K1000, bells and whistles I can live without, but class leading i.q. is a different matter, it rounds off whatever photographic capabilities you may (or may not!!) have.

Dave. (UK)
 
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