Godfrey
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What a waste of time premise upon whiich to start a new thread, Tom.
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Anyone going to get that thread to the "150"?
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I don't know about that - Ricoh is certainly a very good brand but no more likely to attract a 'serious' photographer than Canon, Nikon, or these days even Panny for some models. However - let me echo your dismissal of the boring, 'nice shot' images like flower macros which are very pretty, nearly all the same, and instantly forgettable for having no composition or real interest. I include the hundreds of wonderful duck, squirrel, and pigeon shots I've seen and forgotten half a second later.
Someone who takes their photography seriously is going to buy whatever gear they choose - be it Ricoh or any other make - for reasons beyond what is on the orange and green stickers screaming "14 Megapixels!" or "Birthday Cake Mode!" or "40X zooooom!" on the display at WalMart.
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Art is far superior to "artsy".
I say, post 'em if you think you take any which are good. Sometimes a great photo has technical shortcomings but it's still great. At least get some feedback in terms of composition and such because that is a bigger part of the learning than mastering the camera itself. And we are all always still learning.
Some folks post a ton of "ehhhh" images and some post the occasional eye popper. One suggestion I would make to anyone posting images would be to post one or two of what you think are your better ones, and don't post multiple images of nearly the same thing. Doing that really kills the impact. I've seen several shots posted of nearly the same view, and 'familiarity breeds contempt'.
Re your other post where you mention not posting to get the 'nice photo' comments, I don't blame you for that. I too find the endless stream of empty praise for mundane shots to be pretty pathetic, really. That's why if I like a shot I will say so, and say what it is that makes me like it. Anyone satisfied with a chorus of 'nice shot' remarks is too easily pleased IMO.
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Art is far superior to "artsy".
LOL - how about 'Anyone going to get this second thread to the 150'...
Actually I think there's been some interesting air-clearing and civil discourse in this thread.
Art is far superior to "artsy".
Actually I think there's been some interesting air-clearing and civil discourse in this thread.
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Art is far superior to "artsy".
spencewine
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MF lense, I'll admit these were probably scale focused and shot on a wide angle, but you get the idea - you can get sharp results across the field with an MF lens:
I wouldn't use an MF lense for sports action though, I'd go with an AF for sure, but, for most things, scale focusing an MF lense
I wouldn't use an MF lense for sports action though, I'd go with an AF for sure, but, for most things, scale focusing an MF lense
From what I have seen on the internet, Ricoh cameras and the GRD/GXR cameras in particular tend to attract people who are interested in photography, rather than just 'taking pictures'. To go outside of the typical and much larger Canon/Nikon/Panasonic camera pool requires a bit more knowledge of available cameras and brands, and implies at least an interest in better photography.
The GRD and GXR cameras are not gimmick cameras. They don't have face detection, smile detection, mirrors or LCD's on the front to compose self-portraits, or any of the many gimmicks that more popular cameras have. They are aimed at enthusiasts and hobbyists, and often end up in the hands of professionals, too.
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Andrewteee
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And wait for the right moment. Do it all the time with my m-mount lenses (and otherwise). Street shooters do it all the time too. Of course, if you use that 50/1.2 lens, which I did for a while, you take your chances. But so be it. When it works, it works. If you miss a few, a few out of focus shots are not bad. It depends on your style and intent.
Vision and narrative and intent are more important than the technically perfect picture.
Vision and narrative and intent are more important than the technically perfect picture.
Andrewteee
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No, just a few folks who already have m-mount lenses and are excited by the potential.
Hardly. "Professional" is a Nikon or Canon with semi-automatic shooting speeds and technically sophisticated flashes. Manual focus is old school. But talk to any fine art photographer who shoots large format film about the advantage of auto focus... do they miss their shots? Sure they do, but you don't see them. What percentage of their shots do "professional" photographers show??? Didn't Ansel Adams say something along he lines of, if you get 100 good shots in a year you are doing well???
Yes, "kit" m-mount lenses are better than kit digital lenses. And character is good, which is precisely why I cannot wait for the Mount unit to pair with my Zeiss 50mm/f1.5 portrait lens. Bring on the grainy B&W.
Now that remains to be seen, don't you think?
Sensor and manual focus lenses are two different things, no. A good 12 MP sensor is a good sensor, certainly more resolving than the "high quality" scans I get from my 35mm film. Those 24 MP RAW files would eat up my hard drive in no time. Do I really need 24 MP? Really?
purism for sake of purism is another form gimmickry....
Here is a creative use of the feature that most ricohers love to hate.
http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2011/07/the-liberated-camera-part-ii.html
Here is a creative use of the feature that most ricohers love to hate.
http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2011/07/the-liberated-camera-part-ii.html
Yes sure, photography is multifaceted. Manufacturer gossips and gear fetishism can be as valid as any other hobby.
Godfrey
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My "Starbux snapshots" have been published in the premier LensWork Online Reader Spotlight sample issue, rondom:
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Sample issue Reader Spotlight :
http://www.lensworkonline.com/publications/readerspotlight/content/20110815%20-%20Reader%20Spotlight.pdf
Where have your photographs been published? Cite publications, please.
Cameras might have very little to do with the art of photography, but from what I can see rondom has far less to do with the art of photography than cameras.
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macros of bugs and flowers is one of the ricoh user trademarks.
The other one is shooting strangers from hip level. They usually happen to walk by the photographer.
The other one is shooting strangers from hip level. They usually happen to walk by the photographer.
Unlike you, I don't consider myself an artist of the medium, and don't feel like sharing my mediocre work here or elsewhere. Don't worry I am a harsher critic of my own work than you can ever become one...Congrats on your 15 milliseconds of fame. Whatever turns you on...
You are such a fine example of for-o-grapher....
I bet google search of your name will turn at least fifty thousand pages. The funny thing is 49989 of them will be you talking about yourself.
And yes in this age of Internet publishing you can sure find some site to feature your work. I am sure there is also a photo club out there that will invite you as a keynote speaker....
You are such a fine example of for-o-grapher....
I bet google search of your name will turn at least fifty thousand pages. The funny thing is 49989 of them will be you talking about yourself.
And yes in this age of Internet publishing you can sure find some site to feature your work. I am sure there is also a photo club out there that will invite you as a keynote speaker....
Pangloss
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As somebody else remarked, some people here these days argue a lot but have very few photographs to show to justify their arguments.
We don't need no new stinkin' 24MP sensor from Sony.
Feel better now?
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Andrew
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I am assuming you include yourself in this group!
Yes, just as fast as the 12MP RAW files are eating your hard drive compared to the 6MP RAW files from 5 years ago. I know, it's terrifying...
Just repeat:
We don't need no new stinkin' 24MP sensor from Sony.
Feel better now?
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Andrew
Panasonic LX3, Ricoh GXR w/ A12 28&50mm user
Quite funny - takes the idiosyncratic to know the idiosyncratic, stop giving me hard words, you are testing my spelling capability - it is even worse than my manual focus ability ....
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Yeh, but they are goin' for it. Keep it up boys!
Ding, bash, crash, never seen so many people with ideas they will not ever change (including me).
Possibly an exception - you have finally won me over on the no need for a lens to be included. Thanks for your perseverance. It was only an idea anyway.
By the sound of it M mount module guys like blondes just wanna have fun and the A12 module guys are worried that they might be missing out on the party so they are chucking hissy fits. Why? It amazes me - I don't have to prove a thing - I will admit manual focusing is harder, it might be stupid in the days of auto everything, expensive, useless, Ricoh made a mistake, etc, etc and they still wade in "lets fight" they say. Fight about what? They are not auto deducting the price of an M mount modules from the next few pay cheques.
I am happy in my sublime ignorance - lets form the IUMMC - the "Ignorant User's M Mount Club". No non-believers allowed in ...
Ahhh but I would miss Andrew Pangloss - he is so consistent in his praise.
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Pangloss
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The previous thread got going because I pointed out the obvious IQ issues in the pictures taken with the M-mount module and some legacy lenses in one of the reviews. Strangely enough, even when you show some people the pictures, they still refuse to see the obvious...
There is nothing of any interest to discuss in this thread, the half-dozen "believers" in the M-mount module can congratulate themselves on having pre-ordered the M-mount module and their inexpensive Cosina lenses and that's it.
Not enough "substance" left to reach 150 posts again, I am afraid.
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Andrew
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There is nothing of any interest to discuss in this thread, the half-dozen "believers" in the M-mount module can congratulate themselves on having pre-ordered the M-mount module and their inexpensive Cosina lenses and that's it.
Not enough "substance" left to reach 150 posts again, I am afraid.
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Andrew
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My only problem is with self proclaimed artists and masters. I think every amateur needs to be encouraged to share their work and deserve an honest feedback for improving their skills. If there is anything positive about the work, it needs to be emphasized. Nice shot, good capture is hardly helpful. Usually an amateur will benefit more from an experienced photographer's wisdom, but fellow hobbyists can also provide valuable feedback.
Among the hobbyist there is a very strange bunch though. Usually very sure of their skills and talent, they soon develop a very high opinion of themselves, and with the help of the forum culture (few admirers is more than enough) they soon lose touch with reality.
So a hobbyist can write a biography of himself in his blogspot that more sounds like a Wikipedia entry of a master of the medium.
I am glad someone mentioned the name of wouter brandsma above...those that follow his blogs would be familiar with his humbleness, his inner struggles as an artist. He shares his journey with fellow photo enthusiasts. No signs of pretense there....
We need more of that, I think....
This will also provide more room for lively discussion, and thoughtful conversation on photography. As opposed to, I know it all, I have done this for more than forty years, if you don't agree with me you are thick in the head, etc etc....
Among the hobbyist there is a very strange bunch though. Usually very sure of their skills and talent, they soon develop a very high opinion of themselves, and with the help of the forum culture (few admirers is more than enough) they soon lose touch with reality.
So a hobbyist can write a biography of himself in his blogspot that more sounds like a Wikipedia entry of a master of the medium.
I am glad someone mentioned the name of wouter brandsma above...those that follow his blogs would be familiar with his humbleness, his inner struggles as an artist. He shares his journey with fellow photo enthusiasts. No signs of pretense there....
We need more of that, I think....
This will also provide more room for lively discussion, and thoughtful conversation on photography. As opposed to, I know it all, I have done this for more than forty years, if you don't agree with me you are thick in the head, etc etc....
VladimirV
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Well, none of these shots would have been possible if it would have taken me 5-10 seconds to focus.
But I am interested to hear what type of pictures you take day to day that have more than normal movement as seen in my examples?
Why a photo of a child on a field is irrelevant but because I found it interesting. The kid was running so there was movement there.On the shot with the small child at a distance in a field (why a photo of a field of grass with the child so tiny in the middle? And that is a 'moving' subject?) how are you even going to see the child well enough to focus on him/her and be certain it's correct? But any autofocus set to spot-focus would have no problem.
How I seen him? Simple, by looking at him, setting the distance scale on the lens, looking at the screen to confim focus focus and take the shot, this was taken at f0.95.
Photographing sports with any mirrorless will probably net you this result because none have a fast enough AF system but knowing your equipment means you can prefocus using either MF or AF and take the shot at the right moment.
I doubt anybody would represent a MF lens as a superior tool, certainly not me. The superior tool is the one you feel comfortable to work with and can rely on, wether this is AF or MF lenses or a Ricoh or Sony camera is irrelevant.
But dismissing MF as too slow or not good enough is simply closing your eyes to the fact that it is indeed possible to use a MF lens as well as an AF lens and both can be equally fast or slow.
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Andrewteee
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Andrew, you want to see pictures? Here you go... Always would rather talk pictures than gear (but there are fewer photography discussion sites, mostly gear sites).
http://andrewteee.wordpress.com/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/andrewteee/
http://andrewteee.zenfolio.com/
At any rate, I don't believe that pictures should justify arguments, they should simply speak for themselves. However, I've been reading a lot about the intentions of landscape photographers over the decades, and in many of those cases their work justifies the arguments they make against environmental destruction. But often they do not argue, they simply show us what they see and allow us to make our own conclusions. The new book Earth Now provides a good overview.
PS I don't have any pictures with the GXR Mount unit yet
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