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I am an amateur photographer but am interested in starting a part-time business out of my home with table-top, studio, sports, and nature photography. I am considering the Nikon D-1 and Nikon lenses.

My question is general in nature...Is the D-1 the best bang for the buck? I need to provide quality to my business customers. Will the file sizes generated in the D-1 be suitable for a Professional career in this field?

I realize the scope of my applications is great but I don't have more than 20-30K to spare to start this part-time pursuit.

My bread and butter comes from strategic business Web consulting with large customers but business analysis and technical documentation leaves me with no creative outlet. (I think I might be left and right brained) If I'm going to get into photography as a serious hobby, I might as well get paid for it. At least if just to pay for the equipment over the years.

Side question...I checked into some Nikon lenses...why are some 400mm lenses 8-10K while others are 1-2k? I assume is has something to do with speed of adjustments with AF and other variables. This application is sports photography.

I appreciate any help here.--Geoff Kirkwold
 
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I am an amateur photographer but am interested in starting a part-time
business out of my home with table-top, studio, sports, and nature
photography. I am considering the Nikon D-1 and Nikon lenses.

My question is general in nature...Is the D-1 the best bang for the buck?
I need to provide quality to my business customers. Will the file sizes
generated in the D-1 be suitable for a Professional career in this field?

I realize the scope of my applications is great but I don't have more
than 20-30K to spare to start this part-time pursuit.

My bread and butter comes from strategic business Web consulting with
large customers but business analysis and technical documentation leaves
me with no creative outlet. (I think I might be left and right brained)
If I'm going to get into photography as a serious hobby, I might as well
get paid for it. At least if just to pay for the equipment over the
years.

Side question...I checked into some Nikon lenses...why are some 400mm
lenses 8-10K while others are 1-2k? I assume is has something to do with
speed of adjustments with AF and other variables. This application is
sports photography.

I appreciate any help here.
--
Geoff Kirkwold
 
I checked into some Nikon lenses...why are some 400mm
lenses $8-10K while others are $1-2k? I assume is has something to do with
speed of adjustments with AF and other variables. This application is
sports photography.
The $8K lenses are fast (f2.8) and silent wave (fast and silent focusing with
cameras that support them). These are serious pieces of glass that you
would see on the sidelines at pro sporting events. Shooting these lenses wide
open allows for great blurring of the background to isolate the subject. See
Sports Illustrated for examples.

I can't afford the $8K 400mm lenses right now, but the 80-400mm VR lens
(vibration reduction) could be a good lens for both of us. With the 5:1
zoom ratio, it will probably have a varying maximum aperture of 4.5 to 5.6 (at
400mm). Not the same drama as 2.8 lenses, but the VR lenses may allow you
to hand-hold shots that the pros can only get with a monopod.

Look for this lens in the next few months. It appears to be about the same
size as the 80-200mm allowing for fewer questions in the field from those who
like to prevent pros from shooting in public, etc.

Should be priced in the $1,500 to $2,000 range, which is a fair price if the VR
feature works. This lens is not silent wave technology though. Maybe the next
version.

I predict the VR will be added to numerous medium and long telephoto Nikon
lenses in the future.

Kent
 
Have you considered the Kodak DCS 330??
I am an amateur photographer but am interested in starting a part-time
business out of my home with table-top, studio, sports, and nature
photography. I am considering the Nikon D-1 and Nikon lenses.

My question is general in nature...Is the D-1 the best bang for the buck?
I need to provide quality to my business customers. Will the file sizes
generated in the D-1 be suitable for a Professional career in this field?

I realize the scope of my applications is great but I don't have more
than 20-30K to spare to start this part-time pursuit.

My bread and butter comes from strategic business Web consulting with
large customers but business analysis and technical documentation leaves
me with no creative outlet. (I think I might be left and right brained)
If I'm going to get into photography as a serious hobby, I might as well
get paid for it. At least if just to pay for the equipment over the
years.

Side question...I checked into some Nikon lenses...why are some 400mm
lenses 8-10K while others are 1-2k? I assume is has something to do with
speed of adjustments with AF and other variables. This application is
sports photography.

I appreciate any help here.
--
Geoff Kirkwold
 
Outstanding advice Kent, thanks for your help and input. Know of any Web sites or books that would be helpful?
I checked into some Nikon lenses...why are some 400mm
lenses $8-10K while others are $1-2k? I assume is has something to do with
speed of adjustments with AF and other variables. This application is
sports photography.
The $8K lenses are fast (f2.8) and silent wave (fast and silent focusing
with
cameras that support them). These are serious pieces of glass that you
would see on the sidelines at pro sporting events. Shooting these lenses
wide
open allows for great blurring of the background to isolate the subject.
See
Sports Illustrated for examples.

I can't afford the $8K 400mm lenses right now, but the 80-400mm VR lens
(vibration reduction) could be a good lens for both of us. With the 5:1
zoom ratio, it will probably have a varying maximum aperture of 4.5 to
5.6 (at
400mm). Not the same drama as 2.8 lenses, but the VR lenses may allow you
to hand-hold shots that the pros can only get with a monopod.

Look for this lens in the next few months. It appears to be about the same
size as the 80-200mm allowing for fewer questions in the field from those
who
like to prevent pros from shooting in public, etc.

Should be priced in the $1,500 to $2,000 range, which is a fair price if
the VR
feature works. This lens is not silent wave technology though. Maybe
the next
version.

I predict the VR will be added to numerous medium and long telephoto Nikon
lenses in the future.

Kent
 
I am an amateur photographer but am interested in starting a part-time
business out of my home with table-top, studio, sports, and nature
photography. I am considering the Nikon D-1 and Nikon lenses.

My question is general in nature...Is the D-1 the best bang for the buck?
I need to provide quality to my business customers. Will the file sizes
generated in the D-1 be suitable for a Professional career in this field?

I realize the scope of my applications is great but I don't have more
than 20-30K to spare to start this part-time pursuit.

My bread and butter comes from strategic business Web consulting with
large customers but business analysis and technical documentation leaves
me with no creative outlet. (I think I might be left and right brained)
If I'm going to get into photography as a serious hobby, I might as well
get paid for it. At least if just to pay for the equipment over the
years.

Side question...I checked into some Nikon lenses...why are some 400mm
lenses 8-10K while others are 1-2k? I assume is has something to do with
speed of adjustments with AF and other variables. This application is
sports photography.

I appreciate any help here.
--
Geoff Kirkwold
Does any of this thread bother anyone in the least other than me? I know I'll get slammed but thats ok. I still want to throw my two cents in. It seems strange that someone with such a lack of knowledge(see question posted in the above thread about long lens) is preparing to start charging the public for photographic services and is seeking advise from pros in the field to accomplish this. Heres a website consultant who wants to shoot sports for web pages,do studio work and charge clients for it. It also means some else isn't going to be hired for the work. I have a good business and don't feel threatned by this but I do feel insulted a bit. I have worked long and hard for many years to refine my photography, to respect both the craft and the work that others have done. Inherent in this question I believe is a lack of repect for the work that professionals do day in and day out. It seems to imply that photography is equipment and little else and that with a little basic knowledge most anyone can do this . Get the tools and I too can build a house. I think most anyone who does this for a living has seen it may times over.

Reminds me of a story about a writer who was at a party. A surgeon was speaking to the writer saying that he would also like to write a book about a very similar experience that he had that the writer had based his story on but that he, the surgeon "just didn't have enought time" to write it.

The writer replied that he too wanted to do surgery but that he was also to tied up in his workto find the time to do it.

I wonder what typerwriter Hemmingway used and if this gave him an advantage over Steinbeck.

OH well, I feel better now. Take care everyone.

Regards,

Laurin
 
GET OVER IT!

I say good luck to the entreprenural spirit that Geofff has. Obviously it is one thing to take photos and another to get paid to take photos. There is a huge learning curve that needs to take place in the middle.

Laurin, good thing that somebody didn't say your were a fool when you started out!
I am an amateur photographer but am interested in starting a part-time
business out of my home with table-top, studio, sports, and nature
photography. I am considering the Nikon D-1 and Nikon lenses.

My question is general in nature...Is the D-1 the best bang for the buck?
I need to provide quality to my business customers. Will the file sizes
generated in the D-1 be suitable for a Professional career in this field?

I realize the scope of my applications is great but I don't have more
than 20-30K to spare to start this part-time pursuit.

My bread and butter comes from strategic business Web consulting with
large customers but business analysis and technical documentation leaves
me with no creative outlet. (I think I might be left and right brained)
If I'm going to get into photography as a serious hobby, I might as well
get paid for it. At least if just to pay for the equipment over the
years.

Side question...I checked into some Nikon lenses...why are some 400mm
lenses 8-10K while others are 1-2k? I assume is has something to do with
speed of adjustments with AF and other variables. This application is
sports photography.

I appreciate any help here.
--
Geoff Kirkwold
Does any of this thread bother anyone in the least other than me? I know
I'll get slammed but thats ok. I still want to throw my two cents in. It
seems strange that someone with such a lack of knowledge(see question
posted in the above thread about long lens) is preparing to start
charging the public for photographic services and is seeking advise from
pros in the field to accomplish this. Heres a website consultant who
wants to shoot sports for web pages,do studio work and charge clients for
it. It also means some else isn't going to be hired for the work. I have
a good business and don't feel threatned by this but I do feel insulted a
bit. I have worked long and hard for many years to refine my photography,
to respect both the craft and the work that others have done. Inherent in
this question I believe is a lack of repect for the work that
professionals do day in and day out. It seems to imply that photography
is equipment and little else and that with a little basic knowledge most
anyone can do this . Get the tools and I too can build a house. I think
most anyone who does this for a living has seen it may times over.

Reminds me of a story about a writer who was at a party. A surgeon was
speaking to the writer saying that he would also like to write a book
about a very similar experience that he had that the writer had based his
story on but that he, the surgeon "just didn't have enought time" to
write it.

The writer replied that he too wanted to do surgery but that he was also
to tied up in his workto find the time to do it.

I wonder what typerwriter Hemmingway used and if this gave him an
advantage over Steinbeck.

OH well, I feel better now. Take care everyone.

Regards,

Laurin
 
I am an amateur photographer but am interested in starting a part-time
business out of my home with table-top, studio, sports, and nature
photography. I am considering the Nikon D-1 and Nikon lenses.

My question is general in nature...Is the D-1 the best bang for the buck?
I need to provide quality to my business customers. Will the file sizes
generated in the D-1 be suitable for a Professional career in this field?

I realize the scope of my applications is great but I don't have more
than 20-30K to spare to start this part-time pursuit.

My bread and butter comes from strategic business Web consulting with
large customers but business analysis and technical documentation leaves
me with no creative outlet. (I think I might be left and right brained)
If I'm going to get into photography as a serious hobby, I might as well
get paid for it. At least if just to pay for the equipment over the
years.

Side question...I checked into some Nikon lenses...why are some 400mm
lenses 8-10K while others are 1-2k? I assume is has something to do with
speed of adjustments with AF and other variables. This application is
sports photography.

I appreciate any help here.
--
Geoff Kirkwold
Does any of this thread bother anyone in the least other than me? I know
I'll get slammed but thats ok. I still want to throw my two cents in. It
seems strange that someone with such a lack of knowledge(see question
posted in the above thread about long lens) is preparing to start
charging the public for photographic services and is seeking advise from
pros in the field to accomplish this. Heres a website consultant who
wants to shoot sports for web pages,do studio work and charge clients for
it. It also means some else isn't going to be hired for the work. I have
a good business and don't feel threatned by this but I do feel insulted a
bit. I have worked long and hard for many years to refine my photography,
to respect both the craft and the work that others have done. Inherent in
this question I believe is a lack of repect for the work that
professionals do day in and day out. It seems to imply that photography
is equipment and little else and that with a little basic knowledge most
anyone can do this . Get the tools and I too can build a house. I think
most anyone who does this for a living has seen it may times over.

Reminds me of a story about a writer who was at a party. A surgeon was
speaking to the writer saying that he would also like to write a book
about a very similar experience that he had that the writer had based his
story on but that he, the surgeon "just didn't have enought time" to
write it.

The writer replied that he too wanted to do surgery but that he was also
to tied up in his workto find the time to do it.

I wonder what typerwriter Hemmingway used and if this gave him an
advantage over Steinbeck.

OH well, I feel better now. Take care everyone.

Regards,

Laurin
Laurin,

You seem like an articulate and thoughtful person so I will go easy on you. In response to your post to my request for advice on the ProDigital forum:

Do you feel Web consulting and photography are worlds apart as are a writer and a surgeon? I think not. I am drawn into photography as it is a natural compliment to Web development and communication as a whole. For me to justify spending tens of thousands of dollars on camera equipment, I am putting my feelers out into a larger world of photography. I will never make the kind of money in photography that I do in Web but I need a creative outlet and have the opportunity to shoot college level sports with a press pass. Just in the right place and the right time. FYI, I only charge this client $25/hr because he is first my good friend and second my client. There is no way you or any other pro would ever work for him because he's too thrifty. I do it for a hobby and he pays my car gas and beer money.

Now, since you feel your advice is worth big bucks and therefore persons should not share knowledge in a forum, what is a forum for? Really smart people to get smarter? Or do you oppose rookies like me getting smarter? If it makes you feel better, I would be happy to share my Web knowledge with you or any other Pro Photographer in an equal amount that is shared with me. We all have something to gain then.

Nobody lacks respect for your photography skills or the years it took to refine them. But being selfish with that knowledge implies that I will abuse your trust or otherwise harm your business practice. I have been in the Web world since the beginning and I do not remember a time when I was NOT personally training a young college-age "Webbie wannabe" into the art of building Web sites and running their own professional business. It takes me at least a year of energy on each one and I do it for free most of the time. Other times, they help me paint my house. I know they are being groomed to be future competitors, but mutual respect will handle most conflict. Besides, they could be a great ally in times of need as well.

As to your comments on the difficulty of photography...I agree there is much to the art and it is an art. But the fundamental concepts of photography are simple, tried and true. The only thing that changes in photography is the technology. People that buy from you are interested in the composition, color, mood, creativity, expressionism, and the sort. I suspect most clients care less about what lense was used as long as the final product is what they need.

Don't over estimate the knowledge needed for your craft. Bright people with natural ability and hard work can learn everything necessary to be viable professionals in a year or two. I suspect you view your photography more as art and less as business. That's fine. I'm an entrepeneur looking to cost-justify a large equipment expense by taking a year or two to learn the finer art or photography and make it a business add-on. I have a brother who is a fine-art grad from a state u and he owns his own business in multimedia. Terrible businessman...excellent artist. His snooty attitude toward everything being art has destroyed numerous relationships with good paying clients. Now he's looking to sell his business that's worth nothing. People still buy from people. There is a huge market for photography that will never win awards.

My skills with the Web came too from hard work...even graduate school in software design. Trust me when I tell you, learning about photography provides my brain with a break, not a stress. I have also helped to build houses from scratch, and trust me, they're not that hard to build. With a basic set of knowledge, you too could build a house. Don't be afraid to learn about building houses.

I am curious what you think of Leonardo DaVinci? Was he too trying to be a surgeon and a writer? Did he aim too high and try too many new things? I'm only 31. Am I a fool to think that when I'm 35 I will purchase a woodworking shop for my home and build my own beds, tables and dressers? Am I unrealistic that when I'm 40 I want to write music (a hobby from my youth) and try to publish some of it. Am I a freeking lunatic to think that age 45 I might take up painting as hope to sell some of it! Kudos to those who want to be stuck in the same career their whole life. It's just not for me. A true artist sees their life, knowledge and experiences as the canvas to be explored...not just the physical canvas in and of itself.

Well Lauren, your lack of depth and ignorance of human understanding leaves me feeling sorry for you. Not in a smug way but as a fellow travler on the same road. Sad to see you stuck in a mud puddle and claim no others may enter with ease. In the bigger picture of life, photography is so insignificant as is any other career pursuit. Careers are our mud puddle. Next time, defend your family or religion with this type of overreactive vigor, but don't make photography a battleground of ill will. How many homeless people will you help today?
 
David,

I will do some research on that today. Thanks for the tip. Why do you recommend this?
I am an amateur photographer but am interested in starting a part-time
business out of my home with table-top, studio, sports, and nature
photography. I am considering the Nikon D-1 and Nikon lenses.

My question is general in nature...Is the D-1 the best bang for the buck?
I need to provide quality to my business customers. Will the file sizes
generated in the D-1 be suitable for a Professional career in this field?

I realize the scope of my applications is great but I don't have more
than 20-30K to spare to start this part-time pursuit.

My bread and butter comes from strategic business Web consulting with
large customers but business analysis and technical documentation leaves
me with no creative outlet. (I think I might be left and right brained)
If I'm going to get into photography as a serious hobby, I might as well
get paid for it. At least if just to pay for the equipment over the
years.

Side question...I checked into some Nikon lenses...why are some 400mm
lenses 8-10K while others are 1-2k? I assume is has something to do with
speed of adjustments with AF and other variables. This application is
sports photography.

I appreciate any help here.
--
Geoff Kirkwold
 
Thanks David...Hell of a guy. You sir are a credit to the human race first and to photographers everywhere.
I say good luck to the entreprenural spirit that Geofff has. Obviously it
is one thing to take photos and another to get paid to take photos.
There is a huge learning curve that needs to take place in the middle.

Laurin, good thing that somebody didn't say your were a fool when you
started out!
I am an amateur photographer but am interested in starting a part-time
business out of my home with table-top, studio, sports, and nature
photography. I am considering the Nikon D-1 and Nikon lenses.

My question is general in nature...Is the D-1 the best bang for the buck?
I need to provide quality to my business customers. Will the file sizes
generated in the D-1 be suitable for a Professional career in this field?

I realize the scope of my applications is great but I don't have more
than 20-30K to spare to start this part-time pursuit.

My bread and butter comes from strategic business Web consulting with
large customers but business analysis and technical documentation leaves
me with no creative outlet. (I think I might be left and right brained)
If I'm going to get into photography as a serious hobby, I might as well
get paid for it. At least if just to pay for the equipment over the
years.

Side question...I checked into some Nikon lenses...why are some 400mm
lenses 8-10K while others are 1-2k? I assume is has something to do with
speed of adjustments with AF and other variables. This application is
sports photography.

I appreciate any help here.
--
Geoff Kirkwold
Does any of this thread bother anyone in the least other than me? I know
I'll get slammed but thats ok. I still want to throw my two cents in. It
seems strange that someone with such a lack of knowledge(see question
posted in the above thread about long lens) is preparing to start
charging the public for photographic services and is seeking advise from
pros in the field to accomplish this. Heres a website consultant who
wants to shoot sports for web pages,do studio work and charge clients for
it. It also means some else isn't going to be hired for the work. I have
a good business and don't feel threatned by this but I do feel insulted a
bit. I have worked long and hard for many years to refine my photography,
to respect both the craft and the work that others have done. Inherent in
this question I believe is a lack of repect for the work that
professionals do day in and day out. It seems to imply that photography
is equipment and little else and that with a little basic knowledge most
anyone can do this . Get the tools and I too can build a house. I think
most anyone who does this for a living has seen it may times over.

Reminds me of a story about a writer who was at a party. A surgeon was
speaking to the writer saying that he would also like to write a book
about a very similar experience that he had that the writer had based his
story on but that he, the surgeon "just didn't have enought time" to
write it.

The writer replied that he too wanted to do surgery but that he was also
to tied up in his workto find the time to do it.

I wonder what typerwriter Hemmingway used and if this gave him an
advantage over Steinbeck.

OH well, I feel better now. Take care everyone.

Regards,

Laurin
 
I am an amateur photographer but am interested in starting a part-time
business out of my home with table-top, studio, sports, and nature
photography. I am considering the Nikon D-1 and Nikon lenses.

My question is general in nature...Is the D-1 the best bang for the buck?
I need to provide quality to my business customers. Will the file sizes
generated in the D-1 be suitable for a Professional career in this field?

I realize the scope of my applications is great but I don't have more
than 20-30K to spare to start this part-time pursuit.

My bread and butter comes from strategic business Web consulting with
large customers but business analysis and technical documentation leaves
me with no creative outlet. (I think I might be left and right brained)
If I'm going to get into photography as a serious hobby, I might as well
get paid for it. At least if just to pay for the equipment over the
years.

Side question...I checked into some Nikon lenses...why are some 400mm
lenses 8-10K while others are 1-2k? I assume is has something to do with
speed of adjustments with AF and other variables. This application is
sports photography.

I appreciate any help here.
--
Geoff Kirkwold
Does any of this thread bother anyone in the least other than me? I know
I'll get slammed but thats ok. I still want to throw my two cents in. It
seems strange that someone with such a lack of knowledge(see question
posted in the above thread about long lens) is preparing to start
charging the public for photographic services and is seeking advise from
pros in the field to accomplish this. Heres a website consultant who
wants to shoot sports for web pages,do studio work and charge clients for
it. It also means some else isn't going to be hired for the work. I have
a good business and don't feel threatned by this but I do feel insulted a
bit. I have worked long and hard for many years to refine my photography,
to respect both the craft and the work that others have done. Inherent in
this question I believe is a lack of repect for the work that
professionals do day in and day out. It seems to imply that photography
is equipment and little else and that with a little basic knowledge most
anyone can do this . Get the tools and I too can build a house. I think
most anyone who does this for a living has seen it may times over.

Reminds me of a story about a writer who was at a party. A surgeon was
speaking to the writer saying that he would also like to write a book
about a very similar experience that he had that the writer had based his
story on but that he, the surgeon "just didn't have enought time" to
write it.

The writer replied that he too wanted to do surgery but that he was also
to tied up in his workto find the time to do it.

I wonder what typerwriter Hemmingway used and if this gave him an
advantage over Steinbeck.

OH well, I feel better now. Take care everyone.

Regards,

Laurin
Laurin,

You seem like an articulate and thoughtful person so I will go easy on
you. In response to your post to my request for advice on the ProDigital
forum:

Do you feel Web consulting and photography are worlds apart as are a
writer and a surgeon? I think not. I am drawn into photography as it is
a natural compliment to Web development and communication as a whole.
For me to justify spending tens of thousands of dollars on camera
equipment, I am putting my feelers out into a larger world of
photography. I will never make the kind of money in photography that I
do in Web but I need a creative outlet and have the opportunity to shoot
college level sports with a press pass. Just in the right place and the
right time. FYI, I only charge this client $25/hr because he is first my
good friend and second my client. There is no way you or any other pro
would ever work for him because he's too thrifty. I do it for a hobby
and he pays my car gas and beer money.

Now, since you feel your advice is worth big bucks and therefore persons
should not share knowledge in a forum, what is a forum for? Really smart
people to get smarter? Or do you oppose rookies like me getting smarter?
If it makes you feel better, I would be happy to share my Web knowledge
with you or any other Pro Photographer in an equal amount that is shared
with me. We all have something to gain then.

Nobody lacks respect for your photography skills or the years it took to
refine them. But being selfish with that knowledge implies that I will
abuse your trust or otherwise harm your business practice. I have been
in the Web world since the beginning and I do not remember a time when I
was NOT personally training a young college-age "Webbie wannabe" into
the art of building Web sites and running their own professional
business. It takes me at least a year of energy on each one and I do it
for free most of the time. Other times, they help me paint my house. I
know they are being groomed to be future competitors, but mutual respect
will handle most conflict. Besides, they could be a great ally in times
of need as well.

As to your comments on the difficulty of photography...I agree there is
much to the art and it is an art. But the fundamental concepts of
photography are simple, tried and true. The only thing that changes in
photography is the technology. People that buy from you are interested
in the composition, color, mood, creativity, expressionism, and the sort.
I suspect most clients care less about what lense was used as long as the
final product is what they need.

Don't over estimate the knowledge needed for your craft. Bright people
with natural ability and hard work can learn everything necessary to be
viable professionals in a year or two. I suspect you view your
photography more as art and less as business. That's fine. I'm an
entrepeneur looking to cost-justify a large equipment expense by taking a
year or two to learn the finer art or photography and make it a business
add-on. I have a brother who is a fine-art grad from a state u and he
owns his own business in multimedia. Terrible businessman...excellent
artist. His snooty attitude toward everything being art has destroyed
numerous relationships with good paying clients. Now he's looking to
sell his business that's worth nothing. People still buy from people.
There is a huge market for photography that will never win awards.

My skills with the Web came too from hard work...even graduate school in
software design. Trust me when I tell you, learning about photography
provides my brain with a break, not a stress. I have also helped to
build houses from scratch, and trust me, they're not that hard to build.
With a basic set of knowledge, you too could build a house. Don't be
afraid to learn about building houses.

I am curious what you think of Leonardo DaVinci? Was he too trying to be
a surgeon and a writer? Did he aim too high and try too many new things?
I'm only 31. Am I a fool to think that when I'm 35 I will purchase a
woodworking shop for my home and build my own beds, tables and dressers?
Am I unrealistic that when I'm 40 I want to write music (a hobby from my
youth) and try to publish some of it. Am I a freeking lunatic to think
that age 45 I might take up painting as hope to sell some of it! Kudos
to those who want to be stuck in the same career their whole life. It's
just not for me. A true artist sees their life, knowledge and
experiences as the canvas to be explored...not just the physical canvas
in and of itself.

Well Lauren, your lack of depth and ignorance of human understanding
leaves me feeling sorry for you. Not in a smug way but as a fellow
travler on the same road. Sad to see you stuck in a mud puddle and claim
no others may enter with ease. In the bigger picture of life,
photography is so insignificant as is any other career pursuit. Careers
are our mud puddle. Next time, defend your family or religion with this
type of overreactive vigor, but don't make photography a battleground of
ill will. How many homeless people will you help today?
Geoff,

If thats taking it easy on me I would certainly hate to have you make it hard on me.

One point I would like to make. I have helped many, many people with photography both on personal level and a professional level. I have been very free over the years helping others and feel that it is part of my responsibility as a human and as a photgrapher. Your reply brought into focus many things for me and thank you for your reponse.

Best of luck with all your endeavors.

Regards,

Laurin
 
I am an amateur photographer but am interested in starting a part-time
business out of my home with table-top, studio, sports, and nature
photography. I am considering the Nikon D-1 and Nikon lenses.

My question is general in nature...Is the D-1 the best bang for the buck?
I need to provide quality to my business customers. Will the file sizes
generated in the D-1 be suitable for a Professional career in this field?

I realize the scope of my applications is great but I don't have more
than 20-30K to spare to start this part-time pursuit.

My bread and butter comes from strategic business Web consulting with
large customers but business analysis and technical documentation leaves
me with no creative outlet. (I think I might be left and right brained)
If I'm going to get into photography as a serious hobby, I might as well
get paid for it. At least if just to pay for the equipment over the
years.

Side question...I checked into some Nikon lenses...why are some 400mm
lenses 8-10K while others are 1-2k? I assume is has something to do with
speed of adjustments with AF and other variables. This application is
sports photography.

I appreciate any help here.
--
Geoff Kirkwold
Does any of this thread bother anyone in the least other than me? I know
I'll get slammed but thats ok. I still want to throw my two cents in. It
seems strange that someone with such a lack of knowledge(see question
posted in the above thread about long lens) is preparing to start
charging the public for photographic services and is seeking advise from
pros in the field to accomplish this. Heres a website consultant who
wants to shoot sports for web pages,do studio work and charge clients for
it. It also means some else isn't going to be hired for the work. I have
a good business and don't feel threatned by this but I do feel insulted a
bit. I have worked long and hard for many years to refine my photography,
to respect both the craft and the work that others have done. Inherent in
this question I believe is a lack of repect for the work that
professionals do day in and day out. It seems to imply that photography
is equipment and little else and that with a little basic knowledge most
anyone can do this . Get the tools and I too can build a house. I think
most anyone who does this for a living has seen it may times over.

Reminds me of a story about a writer who was at a party. A surgeon was
speaking to the writer saying that he would also like to write a book
about a very similar experience that he had that the writer had based his
story on but that he, the surgeon "just didn't have enought time" to
write it.

The writer replied that he too wanted to do surgery but that he was also
to tied up in his workto find the time to do it.

I wonder what typerwriter Hemmingway used and if this gave him an
advantage over Steinbeck.

OH well, I feel better now. Take care everyone.

Regards,

Laurin
Laurin,

You seem like an articulate and thoughtful person so I will go easy on
you. In response to your post to my request for advice on the ProDigital
forum:

Do you feel Web consulting and photography are worlds apart as are a
writer and a surgeon? I think not. I am drawn into photography as it is
a natural compliment to Web development and communication as a whole.
For me to justify spending tens of thousands of dollars on camera
equipment, I am putting my feelers out into a larger world of
photography. I will never make the kind of money in photography that I
do in Web but I need a creative outlet and have the opportunity to shoot
college level sports with a press pass. Just in the right place and the
right time. FYI, I only charge this client $25/hr because he is first my
good friend and second my client. There is no way you or any other pro
would ever work for him because he's too thrifty. I do it for a hobby
and he pays my car gas and beer money.

Now, since you feel your advice is worth big bucks and therefore persons
should not share knowledge in a forum, what is a forum for? Really smart
people to get smarter? Or do you oppose rookies like me getting smarter?
If it makes you feel better, I would be happy to share my Web knowledge
with you or any other Pro Photographer in an equal amount that is shared
with me. We all have something to gain then.

Nobody lacks respect for your photography skills or the years it took to
refine them. But being selfish with that knowledge implies that I will
abuse your trust or otherwise harm your business practice. I have been
in the Web world since the beginning and I do not remember a time when I
was NOT personally training a young college-age "Webbie wannabe" into
the art of building Web sites and running their own professional
business. It takes me at least a year of energy on each one and I do it
for free most of the time. Other times, they help me paint my house. I
know they are being groomed to be future competitors, but mutual respect
will handle most conflict. Besides, they could be a great ally in times
of need as well.

As to your comments on the difficulty of photography...I agree there is
much to the art and it is an art. But the fundamental concepts of
photography are simple, tried and true. The only thing that changes in
photography is the technology. People that buy from you are interested
in the composition, color, mood, creativity, expressionism, and the sort.
I suspect most clients care less about what lense was used as long as the
final product is what they need.

Don't over estimate the knowledge needed for your craft. Bright people
with natural ability and hard work can learn everything necessary to be
viable professionals in a year or two. I suspect you view your
photography more as art and less as business. That's fine. I'm an
entrepeneur looking to cost-justify a large equipment expense by taking a
year or two to learn the finer art or photography and make it a business
add-on. I have a brother who is a fine-art grad from a state u and he
owns his own business in multimedia. Terrible businessman...excellent
artist. His snooty attitude toward everything being art has destroyed
numerous relationships with good paying clients. Now he's looking to
sell his business that's worth nothing. People still buy from people.
There is a huge market for photography that will never win awards.

My skills with the Web came too from hard work...even graduate school in
software design. Trust me when I tell you, learning about photography
provides my brain with a break, not a stress. I have also helped to
build houses from scratch, and trust me, they're not that hard to build.
With a basic set of knowledge, you too could build a house. Don't be
afraid to learn about building houses.

I am curious what you think of Leonardo DaVinci? Was he too trying to be
a surgeon and a writer? Did he aim too high and try too many new things?
I'm only 31. Am I a fool to think that when I'm 35 I will purchase a
woodworking shop for my home and build my own beds, tables and dressers?
Am I unrealistic that when I'm 40 I want to write music (a hobby from my
youth) and try to publish some of it. Am I a freeking lunatic to think
that age 45 I might take up painting as hope to sell some of it! Kudos
to those who want to be stuck in the same career their whole life. It's
just not for me. A true artist sees their life, knowledge and
experiences as the canvas to be explored...not just the physical canvas
in and of itself.

Well Lauren, your lack of depth and ignorance of human understanding
leaves me feeling sorry for you. Not in a smug way but as a fellow
travler on the same road. Sad to see you stuck in a mud puddle and claim
no others may enter with ease. In the bigger picture of life,
photography is so insignificant as is any other career pursuit. Careers
are our mud puddle. Next time, defend your family or religion with this
type of overreactive vigor, but don't make photography a battleground of
ill will. How many homeless people will you help today?
Geoff,

If thats taking it easy on me I would certainly hate to have you make it
hard on me.

One point I would like to make. I have helped many, many people with
photography both on personal level and a professional level. I have been
very free over the years helping others and feel that it is part of my
responsibility as a human and as a photgrapher. Your reply brought into
focus many things for me and thank you for your reponse.

Best of luck with all your endeavors.

Regards,

Laurin
Thank you for your response. Your wishes for my best of luck is to your credit. I knew your writing style indicated a well-thought person. Best of wishes for you as well.

Geoff
 
WOW! What a great response....thanks for the inspiration...seriously.
Matthew
I am an amateur photographer but am interested in starting a part-time
business out of my home with table-top, studio, sports, and nature
photography. I am considering the Nikon D-1 and Nikon lenses.

My question is general in nature...Is the D-1 the best bang for the buck?
I need to provide quality to my business customers. Will the file sizes
generated in the D-1 be suitable for a Professional career in this field?

I realize the scope of my applications is great but I don't have more
than 20-30K to spare to start this part-time pursuit.

My bread and butter comes from strategic business Web consulting with
large customers but business analysis and technical documentation leaves
me with no creative outlet. (I think I might be left and right brained)
If I'm going to get into photography as a serious hobby, I might as well
get paid for it. At least if just to pay for the equipment over the
years.

Side question...I checked into some Nikon lenses...why are some 400mm
lenses 8-10K while others are 1-2k? I assume is has something to do with
speed of adjustments with AF and other variables. This application is
sports photography.

I appreciate any help here.
--
Geoff Kirkwold
Does any of this thread bother anyone in the least other than me? I know
I'll get slammed but thats ok. I still want to throw my two cents in. It
seems strange that someone with such a lack of knowledge(see question
posted in the above thread about long lens) is preparing to start
charging the public for photographic services and is seeking advise from
pros in the field to accomplish this. Heres a website consultant who
wants to shoot sports for web pages,do studio work and charge clients for
it. It also means some else isn't going to be hired for the work. I have
a good business and don't feel threatned by this but I do feel insulted a
bit. I have worked long and hard for many years to refine my photography,
to respect both the craft and the work that others have done. Inherent in
this question I believe is a lack of repect for the work that
professionals do day in and day out. It seems to imply that photography
is equipment and little else and that with a little basic knowledge most
anyone can do this . Get the tools and I too can build a house. I think
most anyone who does this for a living has seen it may times over.

Reminds me of a story about a writer who was at a party. A surgeon was
speaking to the writer saying that he would also like to write a book
about a very similar experience that he had that the writer had based his
story on but that he, the surgeon "just didn't have enought time" to
write it.

The writer replied that he too wanted to do surgery but that he was also
to tied up in his workto find the time to do it.

I wonder what typerwriter Hemmingway used and if this gave him an
advantage over Steinbeck.

OH well, I feel better now. Take care everyone.

Regards,

Laurin
Laurin,

You seem like an articulate and thoughtful person so I will go easy on
you. In response to your post to my request for advice on the ProDigital
forum:

Do you feel Web consulting and photography are worlds apart as are a
writer and a surgeon? I think not. I am drawn into photography as it is
a natural compliment to Web development and communication as a whole.
For me to justify spending tens of thousands of dollars on camera
equipment, I am putting my feelers out into a larger world of
photography. I will never make the kind of money in photography that I
do in Web but I need a creative outlet and have the opportunity to shoot
college level sports with a press pass. Just in the right place and the
right time. FYI, I only charge this client $25/hr because he is first my
good friend and second my client. There is no way you or any other pro
would ever work for him because he's too thrifty. I do it for a hobby
and he pays my car gas and beer money.

Now, since you feel your advice is worth big bucks and therefore persons
should not share knowledge in a forum, what is a forum for? Really smart
people to get smarter? Or do you oppose rookies like me getting smarter?
If it makes you feel better, I would be happy to share my Web knowledge
with you or any other Pro Photographer in an equal amount that is shared
with me. We all have something to gain then.

Nobody lacks respect for your photography skills or the years it took to
refine them. But being selfish with that knowledge implies that I will
abuse your trust or otherwise harm your business practice. I have been
in the Web world since the beginning and I do not remember a time when I
was NOT personally training a young college-age "Webbie wannabe" into
the art of building Web sites and running their own professional
business. It takes me at least a year of energy on each one and I do it
for free most of the time. Other times, they help me paint my house. I
know they are being groomed to be future competitors, but mutual respect
will handle most conflict. Besides, they could be a great ally in times
of need as well.

As to your comments on the difficulty of photography...I agree there is
much to the art and it is an art. But the fundamental concepts of
photography are simple, tried and true. The only thing that changes in
photography is the technology. People that buy from you are interested
in the composition, color, mood, creativity, expressionism, and the sort.
I suspect most clients care less about what lense was used as long as the
final product is what they need.

Don't over estimate the knowledge needed for your craft. Bright people
with natural ability and hard work can learn everything necessary to be
viable professionals in a year or two. I suspect you view your
photography more as art and less as business. That's fine. I'm an
entrepeneur looking to cost-justify a large equipment expense by taking a
year or two to learn the finer art or photography and make it a business
add-on. I have a brother who is a fine-art grad from a state u and he
owns his own business in multimedia. Terrible businessman...excellent
artist. His snooty attitude toward everything being art has destroyed
numerous relationships with good paying clients. Now he's looking to
sell his business that's worth nothing. People still buy from people.
There is a huge market for photography that will never win awards.

My skills with the Web came too from hard work...even graduate school in
software design. Trust me when I tell you, learning about photography
provides my brain with a break, not a stress. I have also helped to
build houses from scratch, and trust me, they're not that hard to build.
With a basic set of knowledge, you too could build a house. Don't be
afraid to learn about building houses.

I am curious what you think of Leonardo DaVinci? Was he too trying to be
a surgeon and a writer? Did he aim too high and try too many new things?
I'm only 31. Am I a fool to think that when I'm 35 I will purchase a
woodworking shop for my home and build my own beds, tables and dressers?
Am I unrealistic that when I'm 40 I want to write music (a hobby from my
youth) and try to publish some of it. Am I a freeking lunatic to think
that age 45 I might take up painting as hope to sell some of it! Kudos
to those who want to be stuck in the same career their whole life. It's
just not for me. A true artist sees their life, knowledge and
experiences as the canvas to be explored...not just the physical canvas
in and of itself.

Well Lauren, your lack of depth and ignorance of human understanding
leaves me feeling sorry for you. Not in a smug way but as a fellow
travler on the same road. Sad to see you stuck in a mud puddle and claim
no others may enter with ease. In the bigger picture of life,
photography is so insignificant as is any other career pursuit. Careers
are our mud puddle. Next time, defend your family or religion with this
type of overreactive vigor, but don't make photography a battleground of
ill will. How many homeless people will you help today?
 
I am an amateur photographer but am interested in starting a part-time
business out of my home with table-top, studio, sports, and nature
photography. I am considering the Nikon D-1 and Nikon lenses.

My question is general in nature...Is the D-1 the best bang for the buck?
I need to provide quality to my business customers. Will the file sizes
generated in the D-1 be suitable for a Professional career in this field?

I realize the scope of my applications is great but I don't have more
than 20-30K to spare to start this part-time pursuit.

My bread and butter comes from strategic business Web consulting with
large customers but business analysis and technical documentation leaves
me with no creative outlet. (I think I might be left and right brained)
If I'm going to get into photography as a serious hobby, I might as well
get paid for it. At least if just to pay for the equipment over the
years.

Side question...I checked into some Nikon lenses...why are some 400mm
lenses 8-10K while others are 1-2k? I assume is has something to do with
speed of adjustments with AF and other variables. This application is
sports photography.

I appreciate any help here.
--
Geoff Kirkwold
Geoff, The D1 is a great digital camera ,especially for a Nikon photographer who already owns a lot on lenses for his/her film cameras........But, $5000.00! I want one,but will wait with fingers crossed, hoping for a substantial reduction in price.( I use a N 990 now).

8-10K for a 400mm lens? !! Jeez....even to consider 1-2K as an amateur just starting out to learn photography????You have a lot of green stuff to burn?
Settle for an aftermarket lens ,e.g. Sigma

400mm 5.6 for $719.00, or my best advice, a 28-300 3.5-5.6 at a paltry $399.00. Great for outdoor sports, and put a 2X telextender in front of that lens, and....56-600mm! Kenkos are really great TeleExtenders. 2X @$199.95.....B+H.

P.S. the differences in price depends upon the light capturing ability of the lens,and for the most part,depends upon the amount of finished lens glass in the lens. A Nikon 400mm, 3.5,for $4299, is a magnificant lens, but weighs about a ton after using it not mounted on a tripod...after only a few minutes.Thats a lot of heavy glass in the "fast" 3.5.

With the (above) $399.00 Sigma, you can do outdoor sports photography at 5.6,even with slow ISO 100 film and shoot ISO 400 film @ 1/250th and faster. ISO 800....even a whole stop faster yet!

(Final advice.....Get a good (Nikon) SLR to begin and learn photography.Without basic knowledge, a top-end digital camera would really be more than challenging. FM2 for $500.00, and then a 28-105 , and your tele. Read,read,read. Join a local photography club. Good Luck pk
 
Just to get back to your first question of this long thread. I shoot profesionally
and run a graphic design/photo studio. You can check out my profile to see a lot
of the very D1 centric posts that I have put up over the last 6 months.
I shoot with 35mm nikon gear and Mamiya medium format 6x7 cameras. Since I
picked up the D1, I've never looked back. The pictures are great, the turnaround
is great, and the images are working in almost eery application I need them to.
I'm talking tabletop, industrial, studio, portrait, on-location, sports, even
underwater! But, and this is a big but, I have about 8 years of photoshop under

my belt, and frankly, that's half the battle. For someone who is starting out, the
D1 is a great camera because you can shoot a lot of frames without worrying
about the expense, and like it or not, becoming a good shooter involves shooting

a lot of frames. I would suggest that the D1 (or another digicam, frankly, there is
not as much difference between these as you would come to believe on these
threads) is a great place to start. Get some good lenses, spend more money on
fast glass (f2.8) but avoid buying a lens longer than 200mm until you've spent
some time looking at how you really are going to work. I shoot with the sigma
70-200 f2.8 and I bought the 2x teleconverter for longer work. The fact is that

sports shooting always looks better the closer you are physically to the action, in
my book. I would also suggest that you sign up for some intense photo shop
classes to get up to speed.
Also, pick up a firewire CDR burner like the sony SPRESSA to back up all those
images....
Good luck
Kevin
 
I am an amateur photographer but am interested in starting a part-time
business out of my home with table-top, studio, sports, and nature
photography. I am considering the Nikon D-1 and Nikon lenses.

My question is general in nature...Is the D-1 the best bang for the buck?
I need to provide quality to my business customers. Will the file sizes
generated in the D-1 be suitable for a Professional career in this field?

I realize the scope of my applications is great but I don't have more
than 20-30K to spare to start this part-time pursuit.

My bread and butter comes from strategic business Web consulting with
large customers but business analysis and technical documentation leaves
me with no creative outlet. (I think I might be left and right brained)
If I'm going to get into photography as a serious hobby, I might as well
get paid for it. At least if just to pay for the equipment over the
years.

Side question...I checked into some Nikon lenses...why are some 400mm
lenses 8-10K while others are 1-2k? I assume is has something to do with
speed of adjustments with AF and other variables. This application is
sports photography.

I appreciate any help here.
--
Geoff Kirkwold
Geoff, The D1 is a great digital camera ,especially for a Nikon
photographer who already owns a lot on lenses for his/her film
cameras........But, $5000.00! I want one,but will wait with fingers
crossed, hoping for a substantial reduction in price.( I use a N 990 now).
8-10K for a 400mm lens? !! Jeez....even to consider 1-2K as an amateur
just starting out to learn photography????You have a lot of green stuff
to burn?
Settle for an aftermarket lens ,e.g. Sigma
400mm 5.6 for $719.00, or my best advice, a 28-300 3.5-5.6 at a paltry
$399.00. Great for outdoor sports, and put a 2X telextender in front of
that lens, and....56-600mm! Kenkos are really great TeleExtenders. 2X
@$199.95.....B+H.
P.S. the differences in price depends upon the light capturing ability of
the lens,and for the most part,depends upon the amount of finished lens
glass in the lens. A Nikon 400mm, 3.5,for $4299, is a magnificant lens,
but weighs about a ton after using it not mounted on a tripod...after
only a few minutes.Thats a lot of heavy glass in the "fast" 3.5.
With the (above) $399.00 Sigma, you can do outdoor sports photography at
5.6,even with slow ISO 100 film and shoot ISO 400 film @ 1/250th and
faster. ISO 800....even a whole stop faster yet!
(Final advice.....Get a good (Nikon) SLR to begin and learn
photography.Without basic knowledge, a top-end digital camera would
really be more than challenging. FM2 for $500.00, and then a 28-105 ,
and your tele. Read,read,read. Join a local photography club. Good Luck
pk
Paul,

Solid advice. I actually do have a lot of green to burn to a degree. The advice my dad always gave me is to buy the very best even if you own a lot less. Quality above quantity.

I have developed a Tim Allen persona where I have to have the best of the best then hop up the horsepower even more with aftermarket add-ons. However, I will seriously consider your advice and will follow some of it for sure. I'm still in the research phase.

Thanks a ton.

Geoff
 
Don't over estimate the knowledge needed for your craft. Bright people with natural ability and hard work can learn everything necessary to be viable professionals in a year or two.
The folks at Art Center, Brooks and RIT might not agree with you. But they want to produce great photographers and as you stated there is a huge market for average work.

I felt a kinship with Laurn's post, not because it attacked yours, but because I too have tired of unresearched questions on the web. I visit forums in my areas of interest - photography and auto racing being the usual stops - and the number of lazy, numb minded posts can get to you. There are great resources on the web that many overlook. Photo.net for one has a large static content that address many aspects of photography and a searchable forum database that answers many questions, including some of yours. If you have not visited photo.net, I suggest that you give it a try.
The only thing that changes in photography is the technology. People that buy from you are interested in the composition, color, mood, creativity, expressionism, and the sort.
Yes, but no. The ability to see the composition, color, mood etc change with the times too and are as much a part of photography as the technology. You can reproduce the works of others without expanding your creativity or tickling the mind of the viewer but great photography pushes the boundaries of both technology and creativity.

I photograph autoracing for print and web publications using the D1 and film cameras. If there is ever a questions I can answer, drop me a line.
I am an amateur photographer but am interested in starting a part-time
business out of my home with table-top, studio, sports, and nature
photography. I am considering the Nikon D-1 and Nikon lenses.

My question is general in nature...Is the D-1 the best bang for the buck?
I need to provide quality to my business customers. Will the file sizes
generated in the D-1 be suitable for a Professional career in this field?

I realize the scope of my applications is great but I don't have more
than 20-30K to spare to start this part-time pursuit.

My bread and butter comes from strategic business Web consulting with
large customers but business analysis and technical documentation leaves
me with no creative outlet. (I think I might be left and right brained)
If I'm going to get into photography as a serious hobby, I might as well
get paid for it. At least if just to pay for the equipment over the
years.

Side question...I checked into some Nikon lenses...why are some 400mm
lenses 8-10K while others are 1-2k? I assume is has something to do with
speed of adjustments with AF and other variables. This application is
sports photography.

I appreciate any help here.
--
Geoff Kirkwold
Does any of this thread bother anyone in the least other than me? I know
I'll get slammed but thats ok. I still want to throw my two cents in. It
seems strange that someone with such a lack of knowledge(see question
posted in the above thread about long lens) is preparing to start
charging the public for photographic services and is seeking advise from
pros in the field to accomplish this. Heres a website consultant who
wants to shoot sports for web pages,do studio work and charge clients for
it. It also means some else isn't going to be hired for the work. I have
a good business and don't feel threatned by this but I do feel insulted a
bit. I have worked long and hard for many years to refine my photography,
to respect both the craft and the work that others have done. Inherent in
this question I believe is a lack of repect for the work that
professionals do day in and day out. It seems to imply that photography
is equipment and little else and that with a little basic knowledge most
anyone can do this . Get the tools and I too can build a house. I think
most anyone who does this for a living has seen it may times over.

Reminds me of a story about a writer who was at a party. A surgeon was
speaking to the writer saying that he would also like to write a book
about a very similar experience that he had that the writer had based his
story on but that he, the surgeon "just didn't have enought time" to
write it.

The writer replied that he too wanted to do surgery but that he was also
to tied up in his workto find the time to do it.

I wonder what typerwriter Hemmingway used and if this gave him an
advantage over Steinbeck.

OH well, I feel better now. Take care everyone.

Regards,

Laurin
Laurin,

You seem like an articulate and thoughtful person so I will go easy on
you. In response to your post to my request for advice on the ProDigital
forum:

Do you feel Web consulting and photography are worlds apart as are a
writer and a surgeon? I think not. I am drawn into photography as it is
a natural compliment to Web development and communication as a whole.
For me to justify spending tens of thousands of dollars on camera
equipment, I am putting my feelers out into a larger world of
photography. I will never make the kind of money in photography that I
do in Web but I need a creative outlet and have the opportunity to shoot
college level sports with a press pass. Just in the right place and the
right time. FYI, I only charge this client $25/hr because he is first my
good friend and second my client. There is no way you or any other pro
would ever work for him because he's too thrifty. I do it for a hobby
and he pays my car gas and beer money.

Now, since you feel your advice is worth big bucks and therefore persons
should not share knowledge in a forum, what is a forum for? Really smart
people to get smarter? Or do you oppose rookies like me getting smarter?
If it makes you feel better, I would be happy to share my Web knowledge
with you or any other Pro Photographer in an equal amount that is shared
with me. We all have something to gain then.

Nobody lacks respect for your photography skills or the years it took to
refine them. But being selfish with that knowledge implies that I will
abuse your trust or otherwise harm your business practice. I have been
in the Web world since the beginning and I do not remember a time when I
was NOT personally training a young college-age "Webbie wannabe" into
the art of building Web sites and running their own professional
business. It takes me at least a year of energy on each one and I do it
for free most of the time. Other times, they help me paint my house. I
know they are being groomed to be future competitors, but mutual respect
will handle most conflict. Besides, they could be a great ally in times
of need as well.

As to your comments on the difficulty of photography...I agree there is
much to the art and it is an art. But the fundamental concepts of
photography are simple, tried and true. The only thing that changes in
photography is the technology. People that buy from you are interested
in the composition, color, mood, creativity, expressionism, and the sort.
I suspect most clients care less about what lense was used as long as the
final product is what they need.

Don't over estimate the knowledge needed for your craft. Bright people
with natural ability and hard work can learn everything necessary to be
viable professionals in a year or two. I suspect you view your
photography more as art and less as business. That's fine. I'm an
entrepeneur looking to cost-justify a large equipment expense by taking a
year or two to learn the finer art or photography and make it a business
add-on. I have a brother who is a fine-art grad from a state u and he
owns his own business in multimedia. Terrible businessman...excellent
artist. His snooty attitude toward everything being art has destroyed
numerous relationships with good paying clients. Now he's looking to
sell his business that's worth nothing. People still buy from people.
There is a huge market for photography that will never win awards.

My skills with the Web came too from hard work...even graduate school in
software design. Trust me when I tell you, learning about photography
provides my brain with a break, not a stress. I have also helped to
build houses from scratch, and trust me, they're not that hard to build.
With a basic set of knowledge, you too could build a house. Don't be
afraid to learn about building houses.

I am curious what you think of Leonardo DaVinci? Was he too trying to be
a surgeon and a writer? Did he aim too high and try too many new things?
I'm only 31. Am I a fool to think that when I'm 35 I will purchase a
woodworking shop for my home and build my own beds, tables and dressers?
Am I unrealistic that when I'm 40 I want to write music (a hobby from my
youth) and try to publish some of it. Am I a freeking lunatic to think
that age 45 I might take up painting as hope to sell some of it! Kudos
to those who want to be stuck in the same career their whole life. It's
just not for me. A true artist sees their life, knowledge and
experiences as the canvas to be explored...not just the physical canvas
in and of itself.

Well Lauren, your lack of depth and ignorance of human understanding
leaves me feeling sorry for you. Not in a smug way but as a fellow
travler on the same road. Sad to see you stuck in a mud puddle and claim
no others may enter with ease. In the bigger picture of life,
photography is so insignificant as is any other career pursuit. Careers
are our mud puddle. Next time, defend your family or religion with this
type of overreactive vigor, but don't make photography a battleground of
ill will. How many homeless people will you help today?
 
Just to get back to your first question of this long thread. I shoot
profesionally
and run a graphic design/photo studio. You can check out my profile to
see a lot
of the very D1 centric posts that I have put up over the last 6 months.
I shoot with 35mm nikon gear and Mamiya medium format 6x7 cameras. Since I
picked up the D1, I've never looked back. The pictures are great, the
turnaround
is great, and the images are working in almost eery application I need
them to.
I'm talking tabletop, industrial, studio, portrait, on-location, sports,
even
underwater! But, and this is a big but, I have about 8 years of photoshop
under
my belt, and frankly, that's half the battle.
I have only three years in Photoshop but am growing in capability.

For someone who is starting
out, the
D1 is a great camera because you can shoot a lot of frames without worrying
about the expense, and like it or not, becoming a good shooter involves
shooting
a lot of frames. I would suggest that the D1 (or another digicam,
frankly, there is
not as much difference between these as you would come to believe on these
threads) is a great place to start. Get some good lenses, spend more
money on
fast glass (f2.8) but avoid buying a lens longer than 200mm until you've
spent
some time looking at how you really are going to work. I shoot with the
sigma
70-200 f2.8 and I bought the 2x teleconverter for longer work. The fact
is that
sports shooting always looks better the closer you are physically to the
action, in
my book. I would also suggest that you sign up for some intense photo shop
classes to get up to speed.
This I will do! Good advice.
Also, pick up a firewire CDR burner like the sony SPRESSA to back up all
those
images....
Got 'em. I have 3 computers...A PC laptop, a home built machine, and a NT server...All rip snorting horsepower.
Good luck
Kevin
Thanks a ton for the advice Kevin! Best wishes to you.

Geoff
 
Don't over estimate the knowledge needed for your craft. Bright people with natural ability and hard work can learn everything necessary to be viable professionals in a year or two.
The folks at Art Center, Brooks and RIT might not agree with you.
I mentioned "viable professional". Not award winning or even artistic. I guarantee I can sell my customers with a quality portfolio even though I could tell them I have only 6 months in the industry. If they can trust you as a human being and you work until they are happy, you will have a viable business. Some artsy people, like my brother, never understand that people want to buy from people. This is business. He clings so tightly to his desire to make an award out of every product in multimedia that production slows, budgets overrun, and clients leave unhappy. An artist who is starving is an artist that will not look for creative expression WITHIN the constraints of the client. I never want to go down in the annuals of history as the greatest photographer. I just want this equipment to pay for itself over time.

But
they want to produce great photographers and as you stated there is a
huge market for average work.

I felt a kinship with Laurn's post, not because it attacked yours, but
because I too have tired of unresearched questions on the web. I visit
forums in my areas of interest - photography and auto racing being the
usual stops - and the number of lazy, numb minded posts can get to you.
I participate in numerous Web development posts (my full-time work) and never mind silly rookies. I usually don't comment to their post but others who have the time and inclination, like to flaunt their hard-won knowledge and enjoy the feeling of being an expert. We all get puffed up when we can give superior advice. I've been to over 50 sites and read just about everything of use. Before I came to this site I read over 8 books and was still not able to find answers on professional lense setups with Digital pro cameras. Most of the information out there is either outdated for film cameras or too thin on content for professionals. I don't consider any of my general inquirys "lazy" or "numb-minded". If Professionals don't wan't to be bothered by the simple questions, isn't the best course to ignore them? I mean, to spend time responding with negative comments on the simplicity of my post indicates to me there is more going on here than is being admitted. Take a dive into ourselves and ask, "Why does it bother me?"

I suspect people respond to stress poorly and react too emotionally. Perhaps they are having a tough day. But in a forum, the old saying is appropriate; "If you can't say something nice, don't say it at all". Who knows, I may turn out to be an invaluable Web resource for you someday. Investing in relationships, even online ones, is good business. In addition, the more people like me that are encouraged to jump into the pro-photo arena, the cheaper YOUR equipment becomes. (Mass production = lower prices).

Now explain to me...how do you lose?
There are great resources on the web that many overlook. Photo.net for
one has a large static content that address many aspects of photography
and a searchable forum database that answers many questions, including
some of yours. If you have not visited photo.net, I suggest that you
give it a try.
I did and am not to impressed. But thanks for the tip.
The only thing that changes in photography is the technology. People that buy from you are interested in the composition, color, mood, creativity, expressionism, and the sort.
Yes, but no. The ability to see the composition, color, mood etc change
with the times too and are as much a part of photography as the
technology. You can reproduce the works of others without expanding your
creativity or tickling the mind of the viewer but great photography
pushes the boundaries of both technology and creativity.
Illustration within photographs is not pure photography. It is art more than photography. It's like baking cookies...Flour by itself is just flour. Mix it with other ingredients and it becomes something much tastier but to still call it flour is a disservice. Digital manipulation of photography is a whole different art and science. That stuff is hard and takes enourmous talent and skill. Hats off to those who can do this.
I photograph autoracing for print and web publications using the D1 and
film cameras. If there is ever a questions I can answer, drop me a line.
I appreciate your comments but I was asking for advice on lenses for the D-1 and general advice for studio equipment for portraits and table-top photography.
I am an amateur photographer but am interested in starting a part-time
business out of my home with table-top, studio, sports, and nature
photography. I am considering the Nikon D-1 and Nikon lenses.

My question is general in nature...Is the D-1 the best bang for the buck?
I need to provide quality to my business customers. Will the file sizes
generated in the D-1 be suitable for a Professional career in this field?

I realize the scope of my applications is great but I don't have more
than 20-30K to spare to start this part-time pursuit.

My bread and butter comes from strategic business Web consulting with
large customers but business analysis and technical documentation leaves
me with no creative outlet. (I think I might be left and right brained)
If I'm going to get into photography as a serious hobby, I might as well
get paid for it. At least if just to pay for the equipment over the
years.

Side question...I checked into some Nikon lenses...why are some 400mm
lenses 8-10K while others are 1-2k? I assume is has something to do with
speed of adjustments with AF and other variables. This application is
sports photography.

I appreciate any help here.
--
Geoff Kirkwold
Does any of this thread bother anyone in the least other than me? I know
I'll get slammed but thats ok. I still want to throw my two cents in. It
seems strange that someone with such a lack of knowledge(see question
posted in the above thread about long lens) is preparing to start
charging the public for photographic services and is seeking advise from
pros in the field to accomplish this. Heres a website consultant who
wants to shoot sports for web pages,do studio work and charge clients for
it. It also means some else isn't going to be hired for the work. I have
a good business and don't feel threatned by this but I do feel insulted a
bit. I have worked long and hard for many years to refine my photography,
to respect both the craft and the work that others have done. Inherent in
this question I believe is a lack of repect for the work that
professionals do day in and day out. It seems to imply that photography
is equipment and little else and that with a little basic knowledge most
anyone can do this . Get the tools and I too can build a house. I think
most anyone who does this for a living has seen it may times over.

Reminds me of a story about a writer who was at a party. A surgeon was
speaking to the writer saying that he would also like to write a book
about a very similar experience that he had that the writer had based his
story on but that he, the surgeon "just didn't have enought time" to
write it.

The writer replied that he too wanted to do surgery but that he was also
to tied up in his workto find the time to do it.

I wonder what typerwriter Hemmingway used and if this gave him an
advantage over Steinbeck.

OH well, I feel better now. Take care everyone.

Regards,

Laurin
Laurin,

You seem like an articulate and thoughtful person so I will go easy on
you. In response to your post to my request for advice on the ProDigital
forum:

Do you feel Web consulting and photography are worlds apart as are a
writer and a surgeon? I think not. I am drawn into photography as it is
a natural compliment to Web development and communication as a whole.
For me to justify spending tens of thousands of dollars on camera
equipment, I am putting my feelers out into a larger world of
photography. I will never make the kind of money in photography that I
do in Web but I need a creative outlet and have the opportunity to shoot
college level sports with a press pass. Just in the right place and the
right time. FYI, I only charge this client $25/hr because he is first my
good friend and second my client. There is no way you or any other pro
would ever work for him because he's too thrifty. I do it for a hobby
and he pays my car gas and beer money.

Now, since you feel your advice is worth big bucks and therefore persons
should not share knowledge in a forum, what is a forum for? Really smart
people to get smarter? Or do you oppose rookies like me getting smarter?
If it makes you feel better, I would be happy to share my Web knowledge
with you or any other Pro Photographer in an equal amount that is shared
with me. We all have something to gain then.

Nobody lacks respect for your photography skills or the years it took to
refine them. But being selfish with that knowledge implies that I will
abuse your trust or otherwise harm your business practice. I have been
in the Web world since the beginning and I do not remember a time when I
was NOT personally training a young college-age "Webbie wannabe" into
the art of building Web sites and running their own professional
business. It takes me at least a year of energy on each one and I do it
for free most of the time. Other times, they help me paint my house. I
know they are being groomed to be future competitors, but mutual respect
will handle most conflict. Besides, they could be a great ally in times
of need as well.

As to your comments on the difficulty of photography...I agree there is
much to the art and it is an art. But the fundamental concepts of
photography are simple, tried and true. The only thing that changes in
photography is the technology. People that buy from you are interested
in the composition, color, mood, creativity, expressionism, and the sort.
I suspect most clients care less about what lense was used as long as the
final product is what they need.

Don't over estimate the knowledge needed for your craft. Bright people
with natural ability and hard work can learn everything necessary to be
viable professionals in a year or two. I suspect you view your
photography more as art and less as business. That's fine. I'm an
entrepeneur looking to cost-justify a large equipment expense by taking a
year or two to learn the finer art or photography and make it a business
add-on. I have a brother who is a fine-art grad from a state u and he
owns his own business in multimedia. Terrible businessman...excellent
artist. His snooty attitude toward everything being art has destroyed
numerous relationships with good paying clients. Now he's looking to
sell his business that's worth nothing. People still buy from people.
There is a huge market for photography that will never win awards.

My skills with the Web came too from hard work...even graduate school in
software design. Trust me when I tell you, learning about photography
provides my brain with a break, not a stress. I have also helped to
build houses from scratch, and trust me, they're not that hard to build.
With a basic set of knowledge, you too could build a house. Don't be
afraid to learn about building houses.

I am curious what you think of Leonardo DaVinci? Was he too trying to be
a surgeon and a writer? Did he aim too high and try too many new things?
I'm only 31. Am I a fool to think that when I'm 35 I will purchase a
woodworking shop for my home and build my own beds, tables and dressers?
Am I unrealistic that when I'm 40 I want to write music (a hobby from my
youth) and try to publish some of it. Am I a freeking lunatic to think
that age 45 I might take up painting as hope to sell some of it! Kudos
to those who want to be stuck in the same career their whole life. It's
just not for me. A true artist sees their life, knowledge and
experiences as the canvas to be explored...not just the physical canvas
in and of itself.

Well Lauren, your lack of depth and ignorance of human understanding
leaves me feeling sorry for you. Not in a smug way but as a fellow
travler on the same road. Sad to see you stuck in a mud puddle and claim
no others may enter with ease. In the bigger picture of life,
photography is so insignificant as is any other career pursuit. Careers
are our mud puddle. Next time, defend your family or religion with this
type of overreactive vigor, but don't make photography a battleground of
ill will. How many homeless people will you help today?
 
I just want to mention that this was the roughest string of posts I have read in AGES on this board. Usually it is a bunch of people screaming about "who's camera beats the others."

I found this string scary to me for several reasons. The first was the gereral lack of openness to someone branching into a new field. As a newbie to professional work - doing mostly recreational photography - I found it a bit daunthing and insulting as people hurled comments at each other - on both sides - about what photography IS, and how it should be done.

Many people I know would argue that ANYONE using anything smaller than 6x4.5 for any professional work is a hack who does not deserve ANY business at all...but this is different. It did not sound to me like Geoff was in the process of opening a studio to perform weddings, etc. What he sounded like he was doing was a natural evolution of the web-based work that he has been performing for however long.

Anyway, I guess my point is that I would expect more from people - and allow others to stick their necks out. If Geoff is good, he will stay in business. Otherwise, he will have an expensive digicam. Give him a break.

-JM

PS Geoff - good luck with your camera choice. Quite honestly, if you can wait 2 months, I would. See what results the Fuji and Canon REALLY produce - not beta models...then compare.

If most of your stuff is not high-end photo business - consider another SLR such as the Oly 2500 or new Fuji 4900 that just came out. The 2500 may not have 3.3 mp, but it is a spectacular camera for the money. The new Fuji 4900 also looks like it may be a winner - providing that the technology is not a flop. Both choices will cost about 5 grand less then anything that has been mentioned previously.

At this point, I think I may just wait until the next gen of digicams comes out - say the new full frame Canon or Contax (due out next year).
 

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