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Hi,

I started to practice with my Canon 60D in Av mode to understand exposure better, and I have a question that might sound silly, but its been confusing me...

When in Av mode, and I supposed to allow my lens to be in AF or MF? Which would help me learn better?

Thanks!
 
Keep it in AF.
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Either! Auto or manual focus makes no difference in terms of the exposure mode.

I would always leave the lens in AF mode unless you had a particular reason not to.

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Hi,

I started to practice with my Canon 60D in Av mode to understand exposure better, and I have a question that might sound silly, but its been confusing me...

When in Av mode, and I supposed to allow my lens to be in AF or MF? Which would help me learn better?
They are two different aspects. Av mode adjusts exposure, AF/MF adjusts focus.

It's like a girl asking should she wear a red shirt top or a blue jeans - they are not related.

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Hi,

I started to practice with my Canon 60D in Av mode to understand exposure better, and I have a question that might sound silly, but its been confusing me...

When in Av mode, and I supposed to allow my lens to be in AF or MF? Which would help me learn better?

Thanks!
Do you really want to understand exposure? The reason I ask is that your question tells me you're not on the right path. Whether you're in AF or Manual focus has nothing to do with exposure. AV, TV or P have nothing to do with it either except in what you're asking the camera to do and what you're choosing yourself. Regardless of whatever you choose, you're still not choosing the exposure nor understanding it. The camera is choosing it.

With AV, you're choosing an aperture and telling the camera to come up with some exposure which uses that aperture. With TV, you're picking a shutter speed and telling the camera to come up with an exposure which uses that shutter speed. With P mode, you're telling the camera you don't care and to come up with whatever exposure it wants to. In none of these cases did you choose the exposure. You just chose a limit of some sort.

Photography is both a craft and an art. Exposure is part of the craft or science of photography. If you wish to reallly learn this craft, so be it, but it won't be by choosing AV and hoping it will sink in. At best you'd become a snap shooter with an understanding of depth of field.

If you have the passion and are serious about learning.
  • Google The Zone System and learn how it applies to modern digital photography.
  • Google F/stops and memorize all full stops in shutter and aperture
  • Memorize items and what zone to put them on. Practice as you walk around. For example, you'll learn to put grass on Zone 5 and white skin on Zone 6.
The Zone System will teach you how to visualize scenes and know how to put that visualization onto the sensor or film. The concept of expsoure will become very easy. It will no longer matter whether you choose AV, TV, P or Manual. They'll all be the same. You won't care. It's just a simple tool to control exposure and create your image. Then you can concentrate on the hard part; becoming an artist.

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Thanks! I was told to learn exposure I had to first learn in AV, understand aperture, learn in TV for shutter and then learn in P...
What you said made a lot of sense and I'll definitely look up your suggestions!
Do you really want to understand exposure? The reason I ask is that your question tells me you're not on the right path. Whether you're in AF or Manual focus has nothing to do with exposure. AV, TV or P have nothing to do with it either except in what you're asking the camera to do and what you're choosing yourself. Regardless of whatever you choose, you're still not choosing the exposure nor understanding it. The camera is choosing it.

With AV, you're choosing an aperture and telling the camera to come up with some exposure which uses that aperture. With TV, you're picking a shutter speed and telling the camera to come up with an exposure which uses that shutter speed. With P mode, you're telling the camera you don't care and to come up with whatever exposure it wants to. In none of these cases did you choose the exposure. You just chose a limit of some sort.

Photography is both a craft and an art. Exposure is part of the craft or science of photography. If you wish to reallly learn this craft, so be it, but it won't be by choosing AV and hoping it will sink in. At best you'd become a snap shooter with an understanding of depth of field.

If you have the passion and are serious about learning.
  • Google The Zone System and learn how it applies to modern digital photography.
  • Google F/stops and memorize all full stops in shutter and aperture
  • Memorize items and what zone to put them on. Practice as you walk around. For example, you'll learn to put grass on Zone 5 and white skin on Zone 6.
The Zone System will teach you how to visualize scenes and know how to put that visualization onto the sensor or film. The concept of expsoure will become very easy. It will no longer matter whether you choose AV, TV, P or Manual. They'll all be the same. You won't care. It's just a simple tool to control exposure and create your image. Then you can concentrate on the hard part; becoming an artist.

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Cheers, Craig

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Thanks! I was told to learn exposure I had to first learn in AV, understand aperture, learn in TV for shutter and then learn in P...
What you said made a lot of sense and I'll definitely look up your suggestions!
Thank you for the kind words. Yes, the people who told you that don't seem to understand exposure either or at least didn't explain it.

In a nut shell, you've got full stops in aperture, shutter speed, ISO and scene zones. That's why you have to understand the scene zones or the Zone System because they have stops as well. Regardless of these four things, a stop is either doubling or halving light. If you move from f/5.6 to f/4, you're letting in double the light. If you move from 60th of a second to 125th of a second, you're halving the light allowed in. Notice, these aren't even numbers. That's why you have to memorize the full stops.

For example, if a good exposure is f/8 at 125th of a second but you want a narrow depth of field and the lens is capable of f/2.8, how do you do it? You'd move the aperture to f/2.8, but what shutter speed is that? Let's see. f/8 --> f/5.6 --> f/4 --> f/2.8. That's three full stops. So, that's 8 times more light. You doubled, doubled again and doubled again. You need to pick a shutter speed 3 stops less light. So, 125 --> 250 --> 500 --> 1000. The final exposure is f/2.8 at a 1000th of a second.

See how it works. If you stop down on one, you must open up on the other. Both of the above exposures are the same, but one has more depth of field and the other has less. Pick the one best for your scene. A portrait might want less and a landscape more. So you see how related aperture and shutter speed are. You also see why you have to memorize full stops. If you don't, how would you know where 3 stops took you?

Your sensor's ISO is also in stops, but they're simple even numbers.

Here's the part many don't understand. Your scene items are also in stops. That's the key to really understanding photography. There's 10 zones and they are doubling or halving luminence. Zone 6 is twice as bright as zone 5 to make it simple. Your camera only understands zone 5 really and there in is the issue. Modern cameras use fancy algorithms to look at the scene and average it all together weighing various parts and hoping to get an average if 18% neutral gray or Zone 5. If the scene is average, you might get a good exposure, but if it is not, you won't. That's where understanding the Zone System is important.

You could look at your scene and realize it's averaging a zone 6. The camera's thinking it's a Zone 5 as usual. You can then open a stop and get it right. See? I'm over simplifying, but that is really all there is to it. You'll know while everyone else will be guessing and fiddling with their compensation dials or whining about their camera over or underexposing.

Let me explain a slightly more complex scene and how you'd do it. Let's say there's a woodland scene with bright clouds poking between the leaves. Let's say there a dark shadowy stone wall at the forest floor. You try it in P mode and everything is over exposed. It was mostly dark so the camera opened up too much. If you aim with some of that bright sky, the opposite happens and the scene is under exposed.

You meter off that stone wall. You have placed it on Zone 3 because that means it is so dark, but still have visible texture. The camera places it on Zone 5 because that's all it knows how to do. Now, you look at that exposure setting and then move the wall back to zone 3 by stopping down two stops from 5 to 3. The exposure is now perfect for that scene if the wall is an important part of it.

Now you might want some balance, so you meter off one of those clouds and do the same thing in the other direction. If the exposure is the same as with the stone wall, you're done. If not, you have some compromising and choosing to do, but you have the control and that's the point. You know exposure.

excuse spelling issues. ;)
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Wow, thanks for all that info! To be honest I had to read it 3 times, but I think its making sense to me. Would you say the zones are like setting a white balance instead of using the auto one?
 
No. Zones are the brightness of certain items in your scene. Google The Zone System to learn how.
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