55-250mm vs 70-200mm L at 200mm

If you are going to show a test of lenses at least have the same settings. One shot is f13 and the other as f10. That way you can compare apples to apples. Second, nobody buys a f4 or f2.8 lens to shoot just at f10. Show a shots of both lenses at f5.6 and report back to us.
good point, by then diffraction is already killing away lots of the L advantage although on the other hand f/13 means a lot more diffraction for the 55-250 so it's not fair to that lensm yeah a mess a test

taht saidm, I think it's pretty easy to see a ton more crispness and details in the roof tiles with the L shot there, but f/13 to f/10 is a bad place to compare, not fair to the non-L at all to be given more diffraction to deal with. and even if both were f/10 that stopped down will kill off some of the L center sharpness advantage
 
Just checked Amazon and the have the 55-250mm for $181.00 and the f/4 L for $1,249. I think that's around a $1,000 difference but I could be wrong.
$1249 gets you the F4L IS. The F/4 L runs you about 700 now. Are you saying this is the IS model you used to compare?

I have (well now past tense) the 4L and the 55-250. The only time I carried both and tried a compare was taking shots of the Blue Angels. Unfortunately, in that matchup, the 70-200 produced a lot of nice shots and the 55-250 could rarely achieve focus on the moving, more distant formations and I gave up on it despite the extra reach. There is the most significant downside to it.
 
you dont see how much crisper all the roof tiles are? all the rest of the extra detail??
it leaps right out at me
Agreed, the edges of the roof tiles are more defined. The stucco wall surface is more detailed as well.
 
I think the central point is that the 55-250 is a tremendous bargain for someone on a budget and who would like to have a lens in this zoom range. If you work within the limitations of the lens in good light, it is quite capable of producing action shots as well. Some soccer examples taken with the T1i and EF-S 55-250:









I know they will not withstand the scrutiny of pixel peeping but they work for me as purely a hobbyist.
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Didn't mean to get everybody excited. All I did was take a picture in "P" with my f/4L and then put the 55-250 on and just took another without touching or adjusting anything like most novice users might do.
Instead, you let the camera change the settings for you. Novices use P mode.
 
And that's about all I was trying to say. It's a great lens for the money. :=)
BTW in the first photo I see Phil Mickelson has turned from golf to goalie...
 
Didn't mean to get everybody excited. All I did was take a picture in "P" with my f/4L and then put the 55-250 on and just took another without touching or adjusting anything like most novice users might do.
Instead, you let the camera change the settings for you. Novices use P mode.
I would use "P" mode if i could ever figure out how to turn the darn contraption on but golly we all can't be book smart. I did figure out how to put my two L lenses on... yes a new use for duct tape and Velcro. Now if I could just tune in the Beverly Hillbillies on that little TV on the back of the camera I'd be in hog heaven... Sue Wee..
 
i see quite a lot more detail on the 70-200L shot, to be honest

whether that is worth $1000 depends on many factors

(and don't forget the much better AF the L has too or that there are also 70-300L that cost more like $600 so more of a $350 difference)
I don't know where you're seeing it.

I understand people who spend $1000 extra want to defend their decision but as far as sharpness/detail they are the same. But that extra money is good for weather sealing, better autofocus/motor, build quality etc, less vignetting, aberration etc..

So were these pics with the 55-250 I or II?
 
I would use "P" mode if i could ever figure out how to turn the darn contraption on but golly we all can't be book smart. I did figure out how to put my two L lenses on... yes a new use for duct tape and Velcro. Now if I could just tune in the Beverly Hillbillies on that little TV on the back of the camera I'd be in hog heaven... Sue Wee..
Good one sir. The point was, you were mistaken when you said you didn't change anything - you left it in P mode for both shots. The fact is, P mode can change pretty much everything for you without your input, except for ISO and WB. But I'll assume the camera was in AWB too.
 
I would use "P" mode if i could ever figure out how to turn the darn contraption on but golly we all can't be book smart. I did figure out how to put my two L lenses on... yes a new use for duct tape and Velcro. Now if I could just tune in the Beverly Hillbillies on that little TV on the back of the camera I'd be in hog heaven... Sue Wee..
Good one sir. The point was, you were mistaken when you said you didn't change anything - you left it in P mode for both shots. The fact is, P mode can change pretty much everything for you without your input, except for ISO and WB. But I'll assume the camera was in AWB too.
I think what your trying to say is that if I used all the "PROPER" settings instead of just "P" mode I could get even sharper pictures with that $181 55-250 lens. You sir have made my point and now I rest my case, I need not say more.
 
Quite impressive! :-)
I think the central point is that the 55-250 is a tremendous bargain for someone on a budget and who would like to have a lens in this zoom range. If you work within the limitations of the lens in good light, it is quite capable of producing action shots as well. Some soccer examples taken with the T1i and EF-S 55-250:
 
Personally if I were shopping for a nice lens, I don't see a big difference between 135 and 200, even 250. It's just not far of a reach for me. I like the 100-400 though.
 
Good post i.m.o. I am as happy as hell with my 55-250. For 90 percent of my shots I use my 15-85, so I need a tele only occaisionally. Comparing the 55-250 completely unscientifically with the 18-55 kit and the 15-85, I would put it much closer to the 15-85. In any case it is all I need.

So perhaps the other zooms in that range are slightly better for specialized applications, but the 55-250 certaunly seems to be the best bargain around.

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Good one sir. The point was, you were mistaken when you said you didn't change anything - you left it in P mode for both shots. The fact is, P mode can change pretty much everything for you without your input, except for ISO and WB. But I'll assume the camera was in AWB too.
I think what your you're trying to say is that if I used all the "PROPPER" settings instead of just "P" mode I could get even sharper pictures with that $181 55-250 lens. You sir have made my point and now I rest my case, I need not say more.
No, my point was that two shots taken in P mode do not make a valid test, because the camera changed the settings on you. One shot is at f/10, the other at f/13. That's may cause some differences in the images. Furthermore these were shot at ISO 800 in broad daylight. You lost some sharpness in both images due to that. You need to stop being so defensive and admit you have a lot to learn before you go publishing lens reviews and asserting the validity of your conclusions.

I understand you've changed your tune to that the 55-250 is simply a good value, and that's fine. But that's not at all what you said at first.
 
You need to stop being so defensive and admit you have a lot to learn before you go publishing lens reviews and asserting the validity of your conclusions.

I understand you've changed your tune to that the 55-250 is simply a good value, and that's fine. But that's not at all what you said at first.
Why don't you cut FJG3 a little slack? He was not claiming to post a lens review. He was posting personal observations about two lenses that he owns. He thought the information might be helpful to some that were interested in this sort of lens. I found it very informative and I'm sure others did.
 
I think the central point is that the 55-250 is a tremendous bargain for someone on a budget and who would like to have a lens in this zoom range. If you work within the limitations of the lens in good light, it is quite capable of producing action shots as well. Some soccer examples taken with the T1i and EF-S 55-250:

I know they will not withstand the scrutiny of pixel peeping but they work for me as purely a hobbyist.
Those are really great action shots to my eye! Based on the experience of FJG3, these pictures, the extra zoom etc, this would be my choice for a long zoom lens.

I don't understand pixel peeping. Is there some sort of magnifying glass I need to pass around when I show pictures to my family? Would I say,...."I just took these at Hunter's last Little League game,...you may think they are good but see what you can find wrong with them."

Thanks for sharing those soccer pictures!
 
Good one sir. The point was, you were mistaken when you said you didn't change anything - you left it in P mode for both shots. The fact is, P mode can change pretty much everything for you without your input, except for ISO and WB. But I'll assume the camera was in AWB too.
I think what your you're trying to say is that if I used all the "PROPPER" settings instead of just "P" mode I could get even sharper pictures with that $181 55-250 lens. You sir have made my point and now I rest my case, I need not say more.
No, my point was that two shots taken in P mode do not make a valid test, because the camera changed the settings on you. One shot is at f/10, the other at f/13. That's may cause some differences in the images. Furthermore these were shot at ISO 800 in broad daylight. You lost some sharpness in both images due to that. You need to stop being so defensive and admit you have a lot to learn before you go publishing lens reviews and asserting the validity of your conclusions.

I understand you've changed your tune to that the 55-250 is simply a good value, and that's fine. But that's not at all what you said at first.
Here's what I said at first. "I own both lenses and I'll be darned if I see $1,000 difference in them. IMHO everybody should get the 55-250mm before Canon figures out they are giving away near L's at bargain prices."

I maybe blind and stupid and defensive and a "novice" that uses "P" instead of "Av" all the time and inexcusable 800 ISO but I can't find the word TEST in there, but of course "I've got a lot to learn" and my next "Lens Review" will be my first.
 
Also the f/4L is twice as fast as the 55-250 at the long end.
Well, that's a bit unfair because the 55-250 is longer at the long end.

The aperture sizes are 200mm/4=50mm and 250mm/5.6=45mm. Thus, the L is (50/45)^2=1.23 times "faster" (less than 1/3 stop difference).
 

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