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I don't think you understand what Dreamweaver and wordpress are. Dreamweaver is a top end web design program. You start with a blank page and do all the web design, creation, linking, etc. yourself. You can don anything you want if you know how to code or design it. Any website on the web today can be designed with DW.

Wordpress is the same thing as blogger, or other type of sites where it's all done for you online using templates. You do everything through the web control panels. You can modify the template pages, but you can't simply edit the main code for the Wordpress files. You are working through a wordpress plugin on your web host. The advantages are that everything is easy and setup for you already. No transferring files, can be accessed from multiple computers, and it's just plain easy. Setting up the widgets on DW, well I have no idea how to do that sort of coding.

I've used Microsoft Expression Web for years doing my own custom coding to get things right, and at times it was really really hard for me...I'm not a web designer or programmer. WP is so much easier!
Digital Click said:
Hi all

What does DW have that make sit so much better for web designing than say WordPress or sandvox. I need to learn a new package for photo and other web site construction.

Thank you

TK
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http://www.jamilabbasy.com
 
Looks like a good program but don't you still have to have a place to publish?
Who do you use to host?
GR
Andrew Mitchell said:
Sandvox.

http://www.karelia.com/sandvox/

Incredibly easy to use.

Great templates.

Fantastic support.

Great tutorial for iWeb users.

http://www.karelia.com/sandvox/help/z/Transitioning_from_iWeb.html

Very happy with it; have moved all my iWeb stuff over.

Cheers

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Andrew (Brit expat in Taipei, Taiwan since 1985)
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grcolts
http://www.fototime.com/ftweb/bin/ft.dll/home?inv=684DCE7B18B4B83
http://503192756181438232.weebly.com/
 
Of course it all depends on your needs and ability to spend. For sure, if I wasn't needing to go cheap, I would also be looking to use something like Freeway or Sandvox, and hosting at any mainstream premium service.

However, my site is a small personal site, showing a few aspects of my hobbies, I have no real justification for shelling out on expensive web editors, or hosting services.

I just found that WordPress kills two birds with one stone, it replaces iWeb (although that wasn't essential just yet), and it gives me hosting, all in one hit, and all for free (with options to pay for upgrades if you want them).

Although it is primarily a blog service, it's very easy to make up a normal looking website, with the blog incorporated into it.

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Andy Hewitt
 
Andy Hewitt said:
Of course it all depends on your needs and ability to spend. For sure, if I wasn't needing to go cheap, I would also be looking to use something like Freeway or Sandvox, and hosting at any mainstream premium service.

However, my site is a small personal site, showing a few aspects of my hobbies, I have no real justification for shelling out on expensive web editors, or hosting services.

I just found that WordPress kills two birds with one stone, it replaces iWeb (although that wasn't essential just yet), and it gives me hosting, all in one hit, and all for free (with options to pay for upgrades if you want them).

Although it is primarily a blog service, it's very easy to make up a normal looking website, with the blog incorporated into it.

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Andy Hewitt
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Andy, this is so true! I spend more time on my wordpress blog than anywhere else. I have incorporated a large gallery in it as well. There really is a place for it. All in all I have about 6 web sites out there! But since I just switched to a mac I am now looking for a GOOD new web design tool.

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Mark Hilliard

Gallery: http://www.TheLensWorkGallery.com
Blog: http://www.infraredatelier.Wordpress.com
IR Web http://www.InfraredAtelier.com
 
James M Hilliard said:
Andy, this is so true! I spend more time on my wordpress blog than anywhere else. I have incorporated a large gallery in it as well. There really is a place for it. All in all I have about 6 web sites out there! But since I just switched to a mac I am now looking for a GOOD new web design tool.
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Righto, that's something that will never get a definitive answer I think, as there are followers of each that'd swear by it.

I liked RapidWeaver a bit, but found it rather buggy, and to get anything useful from it you have to keep buying plugins.

Sandvox seems to be about my favourite, but it's a cost I find hard to justify for my needs. I'd rather save some shekels for Aperture 4 if it ever comes out.

Trouble with all of the web editors is that they all lock you in to their layout, and make it very hard to migrate to something different. The nearest I found to getting that working is Amaya (the free W3C editor), but it hasn't been updated for nearly two years:

http://www.w3.org/Amaya/

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Andy Hewitt
 
Thanks Jamil for the clarification - I will take the time to learn DW as it will allow me to develop further my abilities in design

TK
Jamil Abbasy said:
I don't think you understand what Dreamweaver and wordpress are. Dreamweaver is a top end web design program. You start with a blank page and do all the web design, creation, linking, etc. yourself. You can don anything you want if you know how to code or design it. Any website on the web today can be designed with DW.

Wordpress is the same thing as blogger, or other type of sites where it's all done for you online using templates. You do everything through the web control panels. You can modify the template pages, but you can't simply edit the main code for the Wordpress files. You are working through a wordpress plugin on your web host. The advantages are that everything is easy and setup for you already. No transferring files, can be accessed from multiple computers, and it's just plain easy. Setting up the widgets on DW, well I have no idea how to do that sort of coding.

I've used Microsoft Expression Web for years doing my own custom coding to get things right, and at times it was really really hard for me...I'm not a web designer or programmer. WP is so much easier!
Digital Click said:
Hi all

What does DW have that make sit so much better for web designing than say WordPress or sandvox. I need to learn a new package for photo and other web site construction.

Thank you

TK
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http://www.jamilabbasy.com
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If you don't want to do all your work "by hand", you can design key elements of a site in other apps (I use Canvas, but EazyDraw, for example, is a great way to go) then stick them into one of the (much) easier apps to use such as RapidWeaver or Sanddvox or Wordpress rather than go all the way to DreamWeaver -- which even my professional site developer associate groans about.

A middle of the road alternative is Freeway, either Express or the full thing, which is essentially a Desktop Publishing program, very like a junior InDesign or Quark, dedicated to website production rather than print.

Nobody is going to be able to tell which program you used without looking at the code! And who cares about code peepers?

Cheers, geoff
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Geoffrey Heard

http://pngtimetraveller.blogspot.com/2010/12/what-does-standard-of-living-mean-in.html
 
grcolts said:
Looks like a good program but don't you still have to have a place to publish?
Who do you use to host?
GR
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That's correct. I use a local web hosting company, here in Taiwan.

Andrew
grcolts said:
Andrew Mitchell said:
Sandvox.

http://www.karelia.com/sandvox/

Incredibly easy to use.

Great templates.

Fantastic support.

Great tutorial for iWeb users.

http://www.karelia.com/sandvox/help/z/Transitioning_from_iWeb.html

Very happy with it; have moved all my iWeb stuff over.

Cheers

--
Andrew (Brit expat in Taipei, Taiwan since 1985)
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grcolts
http://www.fototime.com/ftweb/bin/ft.dll/home?inv=684DCE7B18B4B83
http://503192756181438232.weebly.com/
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Andrew (Brit expat in Taipei, Taiwan since 1985)
 
Digital Click said:
Hi all

What does DW have that make sit so much better for web designing than say WordPress or sandvox. I need to learn a new package for photo and other web site construction.

Thank you

TK
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Sandvox is much more like iWeb ie at it's most basic level, there is almost no learning curve. Unlike iWeb, if you want to delve deeper, there is a fair bit more that it is capable of doing.

It's very easy (and fun) to use.

Cheers

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Andrew (Brit expat in Taipei, Taiwan since 1985)
 
Why do you feel it is expensive to host and use their tools?

The features they offer are comparable to any service I have found and your data is yours well as able to be transferred to other services if you want to leave. They are also constantly adding new features and making things easier all the time.

I would never use GoDaddy after some of the reports of their behavior and the behavior of their CEO.

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Ian Eisenberg
President/Owner
Digit Photography
Offering classes in animation, game design, vfx, photography, videography, web
design and all things digital.
http://www.digit-photography.com
 
Another option is to learn basic coding. You can use a basic template and get a copy of Coda ( http://www.panic.com/coda/ ) to alter the code. Coda makes it incredibly simple to edit CSS as well as basic HTML.

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Ian Eisenberg
President/Owner
Digit Photography
Offering classes in animation, game design, vfx, photography, videography, web
design and all things digital.
http://www.digit-photography.com
 
Digital Click said:
Thanks Jamil for the clarification - I will take the time to learn DW as it will allow me to develop further my abilities in design

TK
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I learned Microsoft Expression Web 3 by buying a tutorial book and following it through creating the websites they were teaching. You can buy a similar book for DW. Check amazon.com or big book store like Barnes and Noble.

I may actually buy a book for Wordpress so I can learn how to modify code a little better. Right now I just Google search or search the Wordpress forums until I find the answers.

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http://www.jamilabbasy.com
 
Ian Eisenberg said:
Why do you feel it is expensive to host and use their tools?

The features they offer are comparable to any service I have found and your data is yours well as able to be transferred to other services if you want to leave. They are also constantly adding new features and making things easier all the time.

I would never use GoDaddy after some of the reports of their behavior and the behavior of their CEO.

--
Ian Eisenberg
President/Owner
Digit Photography
Offering classes in animation, game design, vfx, photography, videography, web
design and all things digital.
http://www.digit-photography.com
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I have been using Godaddy for years and they offer the same services that all of the hosting companies have. The difference is that hosting at Godaddy cost $58.00/year and I can put as many parked domains on the hosting plan as I please. It is always up and their tech service is great. So if you add up the $13.00/month per domain for a basic hosting account... You can see how expensive it can get over time!
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Mark Hilliard

Gallery: http://www.TheLensWorkGallery.com
Blog: http://www.infraredatelier.Wordpress.com
IR Web http://www.InfraredAtelier.com
 
Wow Ian! I enjoyed your website, its very nice, but when I saw the full size image of your "Why I shoot Medium Format" example and was absolutely amazed! There is a beautiful white egret standing at the waters edge that unless you are looking at the full size, I cannot see. I have never seen such detail before! This is my first exposure (no pun intended) to Medium Format Images. Let's see... I just go a .50 raise at work ... how long after taxes?

Oh well, thanks for the fun on my lunch break.
Regards,
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Gary Leland
 
It's worth noting that while Apple hasn't upgraded iWeb since iLife 09, the latest update already pointed to in this thread is not insignificant. Maybe there is hope yet! In any case, the update says very clearly that iWeb is not yet in the "no longer supported" category, even if it is in the "no longer upgraded" category.

It might well be that it is no longer upgraded because it is actually a compleat program as far as Apple (and a lot of users) are concerned. Upgrades to it might be pointless and lose the focus of the program at the lower and easier to use end of the market.

Dreamweaver is no program for anyone except the dedicated user -- and a lot of them preferred the easier to use GoLive anyway (which Adobe has now killed). If you don't believe Dreamweaver is a pro tool not for the casual user, ask yourself why Adobe has now introduced Muse under it.

Cheers, geoff
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Geoffrey Heard

http://pngtimetraveller.blogspot.com/2010/12/what-does-standard-of-living-mean-in.html
 
I've been using iWeb for a while too and don't like the current alternative, even Adobe's muse. Nothing comes close to iWeb's simplicity. I did find this post which claims an iWeb replacement is coming out. Thought this would be useful for anyone still using iWeb;

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www.allaboutiweb.com




Could be very interesting.
 
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