Remark on EVF

Lucas_ · Aug 9, 2011

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Tony Bridge has an interedting remark on his review of the A55:

( http://www.thistonybridge.com/2010/12/09/the-sony-slt-a55-a-review-whats-not-to-like )

"Interestingly I had a conversation the other day with another Sony nutter (oops, I mean, discerning camera user). The rumour is out there (true or false-time will tell) that Sony will release successors for the Alpha 850 and Alpha 900 early next year, that there will be two flavours, an optical and an electronic viewfinder . Of course, he said, you will naturally want the optical viewfinder, won’t you? Well, actually, having used the Alpha 55, I replied, I would head for the electronic viewfinder myself. It‘s just so much more versatile, and means less time training my mind to think like my camera."

I hope he's right, I was a bit disappointed for what I read on another thread that Sony's new FF would be with an OVF ( A920? ) since they din't think the EVF wasn't mature enough for a "Pro" FF...!

I'm sure there'll always be something to improve in any new technology, but I expect ( in view of the A55 ) the A77's 3MP OLED EVF to be quite in shape for an FF.
As for me, I'll just keep my A900 untill an "A99" with EVF is available!

... Lucas

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Drue Mc Laughlin · Aug 9, 2011

You have that one right Lucas..I came from the R1 which wasn't perfect but proved how quick an EVF could be to taking the guess work out of exposure etc and consequently bought the A55. I have an eye to the new release of the a77..this could be one of Sony's great camera's as was the discontinued R1 series..viewing shots through the evf is also very quick and far more precise..I live in the land of sunshine!..great time to be a photographer
Drue

chadmarek · Aug 9, 2011

Lucas_ said:
....
Tony Bridge has an interedting remark on his review of the A55:

( http://www.thistonybridge.com/2010/12/09/the-sony-slt-a55-a-review-whats-not-to-like )

"Interestingly I had a conversation the other day with another Sony nutter (oops, I mean, discerning camera user). The rumour is out there (true or false-time will tell) that Sony will release successors for the Alpha 850 and Alpha 900 early next year, that there will be two flavours, an optical and an electronic viewfinder . Of course, he said, you will naturally want the optical viewfinder, won’t you? Well, actually, having used the Alpha 55, I replied, I would head for the electronic viewfinder myself. It‘s just so much more versatile, and means less time training my mind to think like my camera."

I hope he's right, I was a bit disappointed for what I read on another thread that Sony's new FF would be with an OVF ( A920? ) since they din't think the EVF wasn't mature enough for a "Pro" FF...!

I'm sure there'll always be something to improve in any new technology, but I expect ( in view of the A55 ) the A77's 3MP OLED EVF to be quite in shape for an FF.
As for me, I'll just keep my A900 untill an "A99" with EVF is available!

... Lucas

Sounds like another term for a "fanboy" who might be optimistically misquoting an SR5.

7 degrees of freedom from reality?

chad

Karl Scharf · Aug 9, 2011

......... " It‘s just so much more versatile, and means less time training my mind to think like my camera."

Wholeheartedly agree with that statement! Looking forward to the release of the Sony A77.
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Lucas_ · Aug 9, 2011

chadmarek said:
Lucas_ said:

....
Tony Bridge has an interedting remark on his review of the A55:

( http://www.thistonybridge.com/2010/12/09/the-sony-slt-a55-a-review-whats-not-to-like )

"Interestingly I had a conversation the other day with another Sony nutter (oops, I mean, discerning camera user). The rumour is out there (true or false-time will tell) that Sony will release successors for the Alpha 850 and Alpha 900 early next year, that there will be two flavours, an optical and an electronic viewfinder . Of course, he said, you will naturally want the optical viewfinder, won’t you? Well, actually, having used the Alpha 55, I replied, I would head for the electronic viewfinder myself. It‘s just so much more versatile, and means less time training my mind to think like my camera."

I hope he's right, I was a bit disappointed for what I read on another thread that Sony's new FF would be with an OVF ( A920? ) since they din't think the EVF wasn't mature enough for a "Pro" FF...!

I'm sure there'll always be something to improve in any new technology, but I expect ( in view of the A55 ) the A77's 3MP OLED EVF to be quite in shape for an FF.
As for me, I'll just keep my A900 untill an "A99" with EVF is available!

... Lucas

Click to expand...

Sounds like another term for a "fanboy" who might be optimistically misquoting an SR5.
7 degrees of freedom from reality?
chad

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What's real ? The Matrix...!

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GodSpeaks · Aug 9, 2011

My guess is that Sony are hedging their bets in the Pro market. A lot will also depend on how well the EVF in the A77 is received.

Personally, I would prefer the OVF.

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Steve West · Aug 9, 2011

I have a bit different take on it. I loved my A2 and its EVF (which was considered class leading at the time). When I moved to the Minolta 7D with that gorgeous OVF, I never wanted an EVF again. There is something about an OVF and good glass that will just never translate from an EVF. It's like looking at a picture on the computer monitor vs. a nice big 13x19 print. The print has presence that just doesn't exist on the computer monitor.

When I'm birding, there is no time to look at a histogram or other data. You are concentrating on getting the flying bird into the viewfinder and keeping it there.

JMHO

Drue Mc Laughlin said:
You have that one right Lucas..I came from the R1 which wasn't perfect but proved how quick an EVF could be to taking the guess work out of exposure etc and consequently bought the A55. I have an eye to the new release of the a77..this could be one of Sony's great camera's as was the discontinued R1 series..viewing shots through the evf is also very quick and far more precise..I live in the land of sunshine!..great time to be a photographer
Drue

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JohnyP · Aug 9, 2011

If Sony puts EVF on their next FF camera - I'm off to Nikon....

EVF is not good enough to be used in specific situations which are very common with people who make money from their photography.

sye46 · Aug 9, 2011

I don't think this is necessarily a good thing. Thinking about your exposure and if you got the right exposure is part of photography. While it is nice to be able to see the exposure prior to shooting the picture takes some of the joy out of taking pictures, reviewing it and taking another picture and thinking about what adjustments you should make for the next photo. I've tried using the EVF, but to me, it's the same thing as looking at the live view screen with hands cupped around your eye.

If Sony does go EVF for FF, I'm out as well. Nothing against the EVF fans here, if you like it, good for you. Keep shooting! But everyone is entitled to their opinion and not everyone likes EVF.

Lucas_ said:
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It‘s just so much more versatile, and means less time training my mind to think like my camera."

tbcass · Aug 10, 2011

Steve West said:
I have a bit different take on it. I loved my A2 and its EVF (which was considered class leading at the time). When I moved to the Minolta 7D with that gorgeous OVF, I never wanted an EVF again. There is something about an OVF and good glass that will just never translate from an EVF. It's like looking at a picture on the computer monitor vs. a nice big 13x19 print. The print has presence that just doesn't exist on the computer monitor.

Actually it's more like comparing an image on a computer monitor vs the naked eye. For me the print is the least realistic of all. No print seems to have the impact of a nice big computer monitor. Just personal preference I guess.

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Tom

Look at the picture, not the pixels

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tbcass · Aug 10, 2011

Those of you who just don't understand why so many of us love the A55 should read this article as it sounds like he was reading my mind.
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Tom

Look at the picture, not the pixels

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garykohs · Aug 10, 2011

For most situations I prefer the EVF in my a55 to the beautiful 100% OVFs in my Canons (7D and 1D4). In some sport shooting situations the lag in the a55's EVF makes it harder to work with but I presume Sony knows a pro EVF has to be better than this. If they cure the lag, what situations would favor the OVF?

JohnyP said:
If Sony puts EVF on their next FF camera - I'm off to Nikon....

EVF is not good enough to be used in specific situations which are very common with people who make money from their photography.

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Gary

schufosi777 · Aug 10, 2011

I guess scenes which exhibit very high contrast may favour the OVF as the EVF is prone to losing detail in the highlights and shadows which can hinder framing but they are getting better so lets see how far the a77 EVF has progressed.

JohnyP · Aug 10, 2011

Sports / Action

I shoot car/motorcycle races and EVF has two big problems:

1 - terrible lag

2 - low quality viewfinder makes manual focusing a real pain (on a moving object).

Lineypi · Aug 10, 2011

As happy as I am with the EVF in the a33, I still prefer putting my eye up to an OVF. The OVF feels like a window whereas the EVF feels like a screen. I know it sounds silly, but it's just the way I feel when I'm using it. I'm also much more prone to headaches when using the EVF.

I'll be curious to see how the a77 improves on the EVF. Maybe OLED will be less eye-hurting for me?

Lucas_ · Aug 10, 2011

schufosi777 said:
I guess scenes which exhibit very high contrast may favour the OVF as the EVF is prone to losing detail in the highlights and shadows which can hinder framing but they are getting better so lets see how far the a77 EVF has progressed.

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I expect an OLED screen with 3Mdots to render enough detail. We'll see.

... Lucas
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Lucas_ · Aug 10, 2011

JohnyP said:
Sports / Action

I shoot car/motorcycle races and EVF has two big problems:

1 - terrible lag

2 - low quality viewfinder makes manual focusing a real pain (on a moving object).

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Lag should be much less with an OLED screen. I wouldn't call the A55's 1.5Mdots EVF as low quality, let alone A77's 3Mdots OLED!!

... Lucas
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Always having fun with photography ...

http://www.lucaspix.smugmug.com/

jwmelvin · Aug 10, 2011

I'm a very happy a55 owner of a few months and overall I like the EVF but I wouldn't say that image quality is it's strong point. Having never seen an electronic display that equals naked vision, I remain slightly skeptical as to whether even 3MP and OLED contrast will do the trick. But I do think that it will be a clear improvement on the a55 and that the road ultimately leads somewhere good.

garykohs · Aug 11, 2011

Headaches? Are you confident that you have the diopter adjusted correctly. It's really critical on the EVF.
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Gary

compositor20 · Aug 11, 2011

well i have olympus vf-2 and my sister has a sony a55 and i can tell you that the olympus vf-2 is outstanding and since its a new epson viewfidner in a77 it should be better than the olympus so i can assure you that its almost like looking at real life... the glass and contrast and lack of rainbows are really good in olympus... while the ghosting lack of definition and punch are the killers for a55.

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