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I had a chuckle looking at the results of the Cake Challenge. With the exception of my pick #1 (I loved the mood of that photo, it was more than just a cake, it was an "environmental portrait of a cake"), all picks came in the order in which they won. :)

 
This challenges are too relative. Too much sandbagging. First, second, third and fourth place are NOT more appetizing, have more detail, quality, color and selling power than the 6th place picture. Maybe 5th place can compete with it. But somebody gave half star and one star to both of them. That is a shame.
 
Jose Tercero said:
This challenges are too relative. Too much sandbagging. First, second, third and fourth place are NOT more appetizing, have more detail, quality, color and selling power than the 6th place picture. Maybe 5th place can compete with it. But somebody gave half star and one star to both of them. That is a shame.
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I certainly agree with you on sandbagging. Too much of it in all of the challenges. BTW, if you look again at my OP, you will see that I agree with you on #6 - very good photo. I particularly favored #10 because of the context, its atmosphere.

In general I only vote for my favorites. I know some don't like it, but that is my preference. That's why I would gladly go for the "Like" system of voting, since I already pretty much vote that way.
 
When we vote for favorites only, we give more chances to the sandbaggers and cheaters (with more than one account), to decide unfairly over the rest. I prefer to vote on every picture of a challenge.

To me, there are other important issues to consider when voting. If the picture has a watermark, signature or a title that identifies the participant I give a 0.5 star. If the picture has appeared on previous challenges I give one star or less. It does not make any sense to show your name on an anonymous contest. It does not make any sense to keep repeating your pictures again and again and again.

Second place of this challenge received a low score from me, not because is a bat picture, no. It is an excellent picture, but tells me that the photographer have only one photo to show, and is not capable of producing another. Next time I see that picture I'll give 0.5 star. Sorry Mr. Buonerba.
 
I understand that 10th place is a nice picture, but it is not a picture of a cake, it is a picture of a celebration. Something similar happens with 7th place, where a kid is shown looking at a candle.

I understand the challenges in the following way: A client request a picture to be published on his/her magazine (in this case about cakes), do you think that he/she will choose #7 or #10? Of course not. Those pictures say nothing (or almost nothing) about cakes.
 
Jose Tercero said:
When we vote for favorites only, we give more chances to the sandbaggers and cheaters (with more than one account), to decide unfairly over the rest.
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Why? I don't see the logic.
Jose Tercero said:
If the picture has appeared on previous challenges I give one star or less.
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Why? If it's not in the rules, why would you unfairly punish someone for having a good photo that can be displayed in various challenges? This I absolutely do not get.
Jose Tercero said:
It does not make any sense to keep repeating your pictures again and again and again.
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Why? Who are you to decide that? This is nothing but another form of sandbagging (unfair low-voting on a photo).
Jose Tercero said:
Second place of this challenge received a low score from me, not because is a bat picture, no. It is an excellent picture, but tells me that the photographer have only one photo to show, and is not capable of producing another. Next time I see that picture I'll give 0.5 star. Sorry Mr. Buonerba.
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Seriously, you should not be voting at all. You are sandbagging photos for non-adherence to rules that do not exist. Why don't you start your own challenge as a host and specify "No photos from previous challenges allowed"?
Jose Tercero said:
I understand that 10th place is a nice picture, but it is not a picture of a cake, it is a picture of a celebration. Something similar happens with 7th place, where a kid is shown looking at a candle.
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Of course it is a picture of a cake. It tells me something more, it tells me how the cake was used, that it gave joy to a kid, and it is a lovely picture.
Jose Tercero said:
I understand the challenges in the following way: A client request a picture to be published on his/her magazine (in this case about cakes), do you think that he/she will choose #7 or #10? Of course not.
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Nowhere in the theme does it say it is a product photo. You keep making up non-existent rules.

Please do not vote in my challenges.
 
First, I am going to start explaining your logic question:

Let's say there are three pictures in a challenge and Jack votes only on picture "one" with 3 stars, then three more voters give picture one 0.5 stars, but give 3 stars to the other two, guess who loses (picture one with only 1.125 average). If you don't get the logic you should learn a little bit more about arithmetic.
Second, I explained very clear, that "this" is "my" way of voting. Mine!

Third, I never check who's the creator of any challenge before voting. I don't care if is yours or Ansel Adams',

Fourth, I will continue voting in any challenge I feel tempted to, ...unless you, or some of your friends have the power to remove me as member from DPReview.
If you don't like it, it is your problem.
Cheers!
 
onlooker said:
Jose Tercero said:
If the picture has appeared on previous challenges I give one star or less.
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Why? If it's not in the rules, why would you unfairly punish someone for having a good photo that can be displayed in various challenges? This I absolutely do not get.
onlooker said:
It does not make any sense to keep repeating your pictures again and again and again.
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Why? Who are you to decide that? This is nothing but another form of sandbagging (unfair low-voting on a photo).
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I agree with Onlooker on this, certainly with my challenges there are opportunities for the same photos to be eligible in different challenges ie the animal colours sets, any animals already entered in the individual predominant colours sets but the animal also carrying multiple colouring were/ are also eligible for the two tone challenge and if enough colours, for the soon to be announced three or more colours challenge, and would in the main be up against different overall selections of entries, so if an entrant has what they feel is a stand out shot that fits the criteria of more than one challenge why shouldn't they be able to give it another airing ?

I dont have a rule restricting entries if they have appeared in other challenges, therefore there is no rule breach on that score so I would not be happy at all if entrants are being voted down for something which I do allow in my challenges, as do many other hosts.

Unless a rule specifies no previously entered shots then they are allowed so should be treated fairly along with all the other entries, each challenge should be seen as an individual entity and entries voted on for how they stand up on merit in each challenge, their appearance in other challenges is irrelevant !
 
Jose Tercero said:
Second, I explained very clear, that "this" is "my" way of voting. Mine!
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All well and good but it does limit you complaining about how others may do things "their" way.........like how DPR run the challenges or how others vote or even sandbag or vote with multiple accounts for their own images...........because that the way "they" choose to vote.

Sure you can voice an opinion but don't be surprised when it's dismissed off hand. Personally I don't care for how you do it..... just as you probably don't care how I vote either, that's the nature of the challenges, interpreting everything subjectively........ even the rules.

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Arrrrrrh !

Bart.
 
Jose Tercero said:
Fourth, I will continue voting in any challenge I feel tempted to, ...unless you, or some of your friends have the power to remove me as member from DPReview.
If you don't like it, it is your problem.
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Then don't ever complain about sandbaggers, because you are one of them. And your arrogant last statement says it all.
 
Patchandcrew said:
onlooker said:
Jose Tercero said:
If the picture has appeared on previous challenges I give one star or less.
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Why? If it's not in the rules, why would you unfairly punish someone for having a good photo that can be displayed in various challenges? This I absolutely do not get.
Patchandcrew said:
It does not make any sense to keep repeating your pictures again and again and again.
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Why? Who are you to decide that? This is nothing but another form of sandbagging (unfair low-voting on a photo).
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I agree with Onlooker on this, certainly with my challenges there are opportunities for the same photos to be eligible in different challenges ie the animal colours sets, any animals already entered in the individual predominant colours sets but the animal also carrying multiple colouring were/ are also eligible for the two tone challenge and if enough colours, for the soon to be announced three or more colours challenge, and would in the main be up against different overall selections of entries, so if an entrant has what they feel is a stand out shot that fits the criteria of more than one challenge why shouldn't they be able to give it another airing ?

I dont have a rule restricting entries if they have appeared in other challenges, therefore there is no rule breach on that score so I would not be happy at all if entrants are being voted down for something which I do allow in my challenges, as do many other hosts.

Unless a rule specifies no previously entered shots then they are allowed so should be treated fairly along with all the other entries, each challenge should be seen as an individual entity and entries voted on for how they stand up on merit in each challenge, their appearance in other challenges is irrelevant !
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I agree with Onlooker and Patchandcrew........ :)

Jose, if you are a openminded person, why do you have this kind of prejudice. A good photographer/voter should admire other person's good photos and vote positively as it eligible to the challenge.
 
Ok folks, maybe I have been a little bit rude, I admit it. But do not expect me to respond pleasantly when somebody tries to tell me what not to do, when that is not part of the rules of the game.

I am a fighter, I have been a fighter my whole life, and I will always going to hit back harder.

Everybody here has a different way of seeing things. Disagreeing or being different is part of the game too. I don't like signatures, I don't like repeated things. To the picture in question I gave five stars twice, in challenges that I was also participating. It is like fighting, you can come to me with the most beautiful kick, and I will admire it and respect it a few times, but do not come with the same kick the fourth time, because I will be able to brake your leg.

Sandbagging is allowing other persons to have control of the game, sandbagging is to give the wrong score on purpose, sandbagging is to show your name, sandbagging is also having different accounts under one name, especially when everybody knows it (including the host) and nothing is done to prevent it.

At least I am honest and tell everybody how I think. I don't hide on funny names. I don't hide my face. I am just who I am. That's it.
 
One eyed Bart said:
Jose Tercero said:
but do not come with the same kick the fourth time, because I will be able to brake your leg.
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Why not produce a better image to beat your competition with rather than invent your own voting peculiarities. Win honorably.

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Bart.
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Exactly! Geez, thanks Jose you must be one of the idiots out there that give me 1's or 1.5's on some of my submissions. There isn't a single submission I have that is worthy of a '1'. At the end of the day, I don't really care much, I know my work is good...I even managed to win one challenge, without giving others 1's or rating my own photo from another account.

Clint
http://clintdunn.zenfolio.com
 
If you give all the images 5 stars you'll be 100% throughout the whole challenge.

I'll have a look and see if your selections match what mine would have been if I'd voted that way I'll know if you are a good judge or just lucky. ;)

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Arrrrrrh !

Bart.
 
One eyed Bart said:
If you give all the images 5 stars you'll be 100% throughout the whole challenge.
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What do you mean "all"? Look at the image. I gave 3 5s and 1 4.5. Those scored the top 5 places. I did not vote on any other photo (yeah, I am one of those).
One eyed Bart said:
I'll have a look and see if your selections match what mine would have been if I'd voted that way I'll know if you are a good judge or just lucky. ;)
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After the fact doesn't count. Let's look for some future challenge we have interest in and test it then. :)
 
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