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Photographer assualted, police do nothing
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Vlad S
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You neglect to mention that David Menzies is not just a photographer, but a freelance journalist, who has a conservative agenda and a publicized personal beef with the police. Therefore the objectivity of his account is suspect.
Vlad
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Faintandfuzzy
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The details are irrelevant. Two witnesses confirmed the assault....yet the cops do nothing.You neglect to mention that David Menzies is not just a photographer, but a freelance journalist, who has a conservative agenda and a publicized personal beef with the police. Therefore the objectivity of his account is suspect.
Vlad
Just so it is now known....in Toronto, Canada, it is now OK to assault people under the guise of knocking something out of their hands. A kid is holding an ice cream cone....punch him in the face....it's OK. A elderley woman is holding her purse....punch her in the face. It's all OK. The police have said so.
Or, as this normally happens....the cops were a couple if ignorant idots who should be fired for their extreme stupidity.
beshannon
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Really? :|
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Faintandfuzzy
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Yes...really. If the photographer hates Muslims, does that mean a Muslim is permitted to punch him in the face? Remember.....witnesses backed him up. Police video is available?
His political views are not a relevant detail...any more than if he is bound to a wheelchair, or gay, or African American.
Brian D. Schneider
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whtchocla7e
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If you do not wish to be photographed, simple - stay at home.
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Chris59
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If the facts are correct as reported, then the identity of the viictim is irrelevant.You neglect to mention that David Menzies is not just a photographer, but a freelance journalist, who has a conservative agenda and a publicized personal beef with the police. Therefore the objectivity of his account is suspect.
Vlad
Given that there were two independent witnesses to the assault as well as footage from security cameras and an admission from the perpetrator of the crime, then I would perhaps be better off questioning your agenda instead.
In any case, it isn't up to the Police to determine the guilt or innocence of the perpetrator of an assault, their job (duty if you like) is to investigate, arrest and charge an offender. The job of deciding guilt or innocence is entirely up to a jury or judge.
beshannon
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I apologize for the incorrect attribution, you did not write that
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Laurentiu Todie
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Vincent Van Gogh's great grand nephew was an anti-Islam activist too.
The account of his death must be suspicious to assholess.
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The account of his death must be suspicious to assholess.
--You neglect to mention that David Menzies is not just a photographer, but a freelance journalist, who has a conservative agenda and a publicized personal beef with the police. Therefore the objectivity of his account is suspect.
Vlad
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bikinchris
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The whole report is not from an independent source. Therefore the facts may be twisted. Unless you have another source besides the one quoted, your whole supposition is misguided.If the facts are correct as reported, then the identity of the viictim is irrelevant.You neglect to mention that David Menzies is not just a photographer, but a freelance journalist, who has a conservative agenda and a publicized personal beef with the police. Therefore the objectivity of his account is suspect.
Vlad
Given that there were two independent witnesses to the assault as well as footage from security cameras and an admission from the perpetrator of the crime, then I would perhaps be better off questioning your agenda instead.
In any case, it isn't up to the Police to determine the guilt or innocence of the perpetrator of an assault, their job (duty if you like) is to investigate, arrest and charge an offender. The job of deciding guilt or innocence is entirely up to a jury or judge.
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Chris, Broussard, LA
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. . . that you're AWARE of.
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Back in 1977, my best friend was living in Paris. One day he was at a 20-30 people line to access a to a public place. Suddenly an arab guy (looks and language) walked over the whole line passing everybody and got himself in first place. Nobody was saying anything when a gal down the line started protesting loudly. The arab guy came to where this gal was, shouting things in arab and when he had this girl at reach, he started beating the s..t out of her. My friend was startled and surprised that nobody did anything. He couldn't resist and went to defend this young lady. He got into a fight that luckily we won (he was good at fist fighting). The guy walked away. A few people came to him to applaud his action but just about everybody, told him that what he just did was an extremely dangerous thing to do. Eventually, he returned safe to Mexico.
In the late 90's night clubs and discos in Paris started playing dancing arab music. I wouldn't be surprised they did out of fear to please the arab comunity.
I bet those two cops in Toronto, calculated that it was better for them and the police department to do nothing. I imagine it must be a nightmare to try to reason with a crowd of angry muslims.
Everybody knows the Coran doesn't ask for blood as many muslims believe. The problem is that I've never heard of a leader or an Iman calling for tolerance and love to other people beliefs! And that pisses me off!
Eduardo
In the late 90's night clubs and discos in Paris started playing dancing arab music. I wouldn't be surprised they did out of fear to please the arab comunity.
I bet those two cops in Toronto, calculated that it was better for them and the police department to do nothing. I imagine it must be a nightmare to try to reason with a crowd of angry muslims.
Everybody knows the Coran doesn't ask for blood as many muslims believe. The problem is that I've never heard of a leader or an Iman calling for tolerance and love to other people beliefs! And that pisses me off!
Eduardo
bikinchris
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I promise you, if I was there, she wouldn't have had time to speak up.
Good cyclists are:
Visible, Predictable, Alert, Assertive and Courteous
They also use the five layers of protection available.
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Layer 3: Ride in the smartest lane position
Layer 4: Manage hazards skillfully
Layer 5: Utilize passive protection.
Chris, Broussard, LA
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Good cyclists are:
Visible, Predictable, Alert, Assertive and Courteous
They also use the five layers of protection available.
Layer 1: Control your bike
Layer 2: Know and follow the rules of the road
Layer 3: Ride in the smartest lane position
Layer 4: Manage hazards skillfully
Layer 5: Utilize passive protection.
Chris, Broussard, LA
LOL. That's what we need. A fast bycicle!
Chris59
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It seems to me that a journalist would not deliberately put forward a story so easily falsifiable if it were not true. Hoiwever, be that as it may, you are of course correct. It would be wrong to "jump on the bandwagon" if the story was made up and untrue.The whole report is not from an independent source. Therefore the facts may be twisted. Unless you have another source besides the one quoted, your whole supposition is misguided.If the facts are correct as reported, then the identity of the viictim is irrelevant.You neglect to mention that David Menzies is not just a photographer, but a freelance journalist, who has a conservative agenda and a publicized personal beef with the police. Therefore the objectivity of his account is suspect.
Vlad
Given that there were two independent witnesses to the assault as well as footage from security cameras and an admission from the perpetrator of the crime, then I would perhaps be better off questioning your agenda instead.
In any case, it isn't up to the Police to determine the guilt or innocence of the perpetrator of an assault, their job (duty if you like) is to investigate, arrest and charge an offender. The job of deciding guilt or innocence is entirely up to a jury or judge.
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Good cyclists are:
Visible, Predictable, Alert, Assertive and Courteous
They also use the five layers of protection available.
Layer 1: Control your bike
Layer 2: Know and follow the rules of the road
Layer 3: Ride in the smartest lane position
Layer 4: Manage hazards skillfully
Layer 5: Utilize passive protection.
Chris, Broussard, LA
To my mind though, it has the ring of truth to it and I would have thought the Police would have already denied the story it if was in fact untrue.
Even though the facts might have been given "spin" by the journalist, it seems to me (at least in my experience) that the Police are reluctant to take action against someone who is assertive in their belief that what they did was justified on religious grounds. As for mulsims not allowed to be photographed - well, that is just a lie and again in my (extensive) experience lies come easily to some groups of people.
Chris59
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Unfortunately not everybody thinks like you (or me). Just as unfortunately those sort of people (the aggressive and the passive) are in the majority.
I myself have been in a situation at work when an aggressive client decided to attack a number of people unprovoked with a makeshift weapon (a portable metal bollard). I stepped in, took hold of the offender and put him into a headlock. He then proceeded to go limp and play possum, so, at the concern of others I let him go and turned my back on him. Immediately I did this, he miraculously came to and punched me from behind. Happily for me (I am not allowed to retaliate) the other customers jumped on him and threw him out of our office.
My point is that had I done nothing, I might not have been hurt, but I can assure you I would not have felt as good as when I acted.
The police were called but the perpetrator remained unidentified until he made a complaint against our office about the way he was treated (!) Unfortunately for him we had security camera vision available so he was eventually arrested, charged and convicted.
brent collins
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The opening line says "photographer assaulted". Sounds more like some jackass with no respect for others. There is a fine line between what rights we have and common courtesy. If one asks you not to take their picture and you posture up with laws and rights then you deserve a punch in the face. Besides the fact that this article is yet another load of one sided BS. Where is the integrity on these forums?
Brian D. Schneider
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Brent she did not ask him to not take her picture. She said it was forbidden because she was muslem. That of course is not true. He was taking general street scenes WHICH IS LEGAL. I'm sure if she had politly said "please don't take my picture again" he would have complied as most of us would have.
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