505V Dragon fly @ 2240x1680

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I took the pictures of a dragon fly right after molting. As it was waiting for its body dried, I got good moments. I have a "personal* theory that the interpolated 2240x1680 pictures have more information than uninterpolated 1852x1396 pictures as the interpolation is done on the original 12bit data before the compression and trucation to 8bit. How do you think ? 3 originals are avaliable starting from this link; http://www.zing.com/album/pictures.html?id=4293855841&p=4286766459

 
I took the pictures of a dragon fly right after molting. As it was
waiting for its body dried, I got good moments. I have a "personal*
theory that the interpolated 2240x1680 pictures have more information
than uninterpolated 1852x1396 pictures as the interpolation is done on
the original 12bit data before the compression and trucation to 8bit. How
do you think ? 3 originals are avaliable starting from this link;
http://www.zing.com/album/pictures.html?id=4293855841&p=4286766459

http: www.zing.com/picture/p5ebc9fd037d424e59d3e7f06af837c55/ff82df2d.jpg.orig.jpg
Pondria, that image is HUGE!
You maybe right. It look so ... sharp :)

I wonder what's the equivalent magnification of this interpolated image. This will be useful when taking macro shots(like what you did) without ever using additional lens.
Can you take interpolated image in TIFF ?

Maybe we can ask Phil to take sample resolution test using the interpolated mode.
Did you notice that there are sparkles in its wings ?

Good job Pondria ... you're indeed back! LOL.
 
I'm curious about why the interpolated image size is 2240x1680. S70 has image size of 2048x1536, which gives exact 3 MP ( 3x1024x1024). 505V doesn't stop there. It goes further to make 3.6 MP. Then why it doesn't go even further ? I am trying to figure out the story behind the number 2240. That might be the limit that the interpolation with 12 raw data can reach. Beyond that point, we may be seeing the digital interpolation effect ( images just get bigger without more information ) OK, then again, why s70 doesn't provide its own interoplated image size like 2472 ? Then it will be 4.4MP camera like Fuji super CCD models !
I took the pictures of a dragon fly right after molting. As it was
waiting for its body dried, I got good moments. I have a "personal*
theory that the interpolated 2240x1680 pictures have more information
than uninterpolated 1852x1396 pictures as the interpolation is done on
the original 12bit data before the compression and trucation to 8bit. How
do you think ? 3 originals are avaliable starting from this link;
http://www.zing.com/album/pictures.html?id=4293855841&p=4286766459

http: www.zing.com/picture/p5ebc9fd037d424e59d3e7f06af837c55/ff82df2d.jpg.orig.jpg
Pondria, that image is HUGE!
You maybe right. It look so ... sharp :)
I wonder what's the equivalent magnification of this interpolated image.
This will be useful when taking macro shots(like what you did) without
ever using additional lens.
Can you take interpolated image in TIFF ?
Maybe we can ask Phil to take sample resolution test using the
interpolated mode.
Did you notice that there are sparkles in its wings ?

Good job Pondria ... you're indeed back! LOL.
 
Pondria -

I'm guessing that the S70 can probably DO this same sort of wizardry, as well. However, my guess is that there are a couple of things going on.

First, it always seems to be about product differentiation. The F505V bears a lot of internal similarities to the S70, while in the minds of many a consumer seeming to be at a disadvantage to the S70 b/c of its smaller number of usable pixels. I think it was simply a decision made to go ahead and drop this extra interpolated mode as both an experiment from their Sony Lab, as well as to give the F505V a little kick in the pants. I'll also bet that they didn't expect it to work quite so well! :)

Secondly... Oh, I think I already gave my two gueses up above. :)

Whatever the reasons, I'm sure that the image COULD be bumped up higher, but as the Fuji images seem to demonstrate, that would negate the entire premise of image quality upon which these cameras and their Carl Zeiss lenses base themselves.

Waddya think of that?
I'm curious about why the interpolated image size is 2240x1680. S70 has
image size of 2048x1536, which gives exact 3 MP ( 3x1024x1024). 505V
doesn't stop there. It goes further to make 3.6 MP. Then why it doesn't
go even further ? I am trying to figure out the story behind the number
2240. That might be the limit that the interpolation with 12 raw data can
reach. Beyond that point, we may be seeing the digital interpolation
effect ( images just get bigger without more information ) OK, then
again, why s70 doesn't provide its own interoplated image size like 2472
? Then it will be 4.4MP camera like Fuji super CCD models !
 
Photographer friends may again feel that I am on something other than photography. Sorry guys ;-)

The issues really boils down to if the depth on pixels and the spatial information are interchangable. Mathmatically, a 1024x768 256 color image has the same amount of information as 341x256 16M color image. Which one gives more visual info to men ? Ink Jet printers have very shallow color depth. But as they have a lot of pixels, they can dither. Computer monitors are opposite. But both are seemingly able to reproduce the real world scene reasonably well. We agree that Carl Zeiss lens create more information than other lens. I think it is superior in both color space and X-Y space. IF the two info are interchangeable, the interpolation would really maximize the superior hardware ( CZ lens + 12bit ADC ).
I'm guessing that the S70 can probably DO this same sort of wizardry, as
well. However, my guess is that there are a couple of things going on.

First, it always seems to be about product differentiation. The F505V
bears a lot of internal similarities to the S70, while in the minds of
many a consumer seeming to be at a disadvantage to the S70 b/c of its
smaller number of usable pixels. I think it was simply a decision made to
go ahead and drop this extra interpolated mode as both an experiment from
their Sony Lab, as well as to give the F505V a little kick in the pants.
I'll also bet that they didn't expect it to work quite so well! :)

Secondly... Oh, I think I already gave my two gueses up above. :)

Whatever the reasons, I'm sure that the image COULD be bumped up higher,
but as the Fuji images seem to demonstrate, that would negate the entire
premise of image quality upon which these cameras and their Carl Zeiss
lenses base themselves.

Waddya think of that?
I'm curious about why the interpolated image size is 2240x1680. S70 has
image size of 2048x1536, which gives exact 3 MP ( 3x1024x1024). 505V
doesn't stop there. It goes further to make 3.6 MP. Then why it doesn't
go even further ? I am trying to figure out the story behind the number
2240. That might be the limit that the interpolation with 12 raw data can
reach. Beyond that point, we may be seeing the digital interpolation
effect ( images just get bigger without more information ) OK, then
again, why s70 doesn't provide its own interoplated image size like 2472
? Then it will be 4.4MP camera like Fuji super CCD models !
 
I took the pictures of a dragon fly right after molting. As it was
waiting for its body dried, I got good moments. I have a "personal*
theory that the interpolated 2240x1680 pictures have more information
than uninterpolated 1852x1396 pictures as the interpolation is done on
the original 12bit data before the compression and trucation to 8bit. How
do you think ? 3 originals are avaliable starting from this link;
Pondria,

Great image! (And an interesting theory)

Best regards,

Andreas
 
Did you see all 3 pictures ? It's interesting to see how its body changes within short time frame.
I took the pictures of a dragon fly right after molting. As it was
waiting for its body dried, I got good moments. I have a "personal*
theory that the interpolated 2240x1680 pictures have more information
than uninterpolated 1852x1396 pictures as the interpolation is done on
the original 12bit data before the compression and trucation to 8bit. How
do you think ? 3 originals are avaliable starting from this link;
Pondria,

Great image! (And an interesting theory)

Best regards,

Andreas
 
Alright ! Are you now buying into my conspiracy theory that the interpolation may pull out more information out of the extra 4bits which are mostly thrown away otherwise ? - - P l e e s e ;-)
Did you see all 3 pictures ? It's interesting to see how its body changes
within short time frame.
Pondria,

I downloaded 2 of them completely. Wow! Really great detail also in the
original file.

Best regards,

Andreas
 
Alright ! Are you now buying into my conspiracy theory that the
interpolation may pull out more information out of the extra 4bits which
are mostly thrown away otherwise ? - - P l e e s e ;-)
Jeong,

The theory is interesting (and sounds logical) but before i buy it i will try to verify it :)

Best regards,

Andreas
 
Alright ! Are you now buying into my conspiracy theory that the
interpolation may pull out more information out of the extra 4bits which
are mostly thrown away otherwise ? - - P l e e s e ;-)
The theory is interesting (and sounds logical) but before i buy it i
will try to verify it :)
That's fair ! Then, you may want to try something like this experiment -
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1009&message=389488
 

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