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What? No microadjustment for the 60D?

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jpr2 said:
somehow it is hard to even imagine putting all/most of one's gear
into a box and sending it across country borders to a remote SC :(
and this is a situation in most of UN recognized countries !!

a state of affairs somehow little recognized in US, CA, AU and other
fortunate few places :P; even in US you have just Irvine and perhaps
NJ as generally well reputed SCs,
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Which is exactly the point I was trying to make - that is, that having MFA is a very useful feature and far superior to just sending off your camera if you have an issue. :-P
 
I have 2 primes and 2 zooms that need some MA on both my 5D2 and 1D3 but they are perfectly accurate on my newly acquired 60D. YMMV
 
Andre Hendarman said:
I have 2 primes and 2 zooms that need some MA on both my 5D2 and 1D3 but they are perfectly accurate on my newly acquired 60D.
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what lenses specifically, and esp. how much MA did they need on 5d2
and 1d3 respectively?

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EF28f1.8, EF135f2, 70-200f4 and sigma 70f2.8 all focus spot on on my 60d....just as they are on my 1DsM2. I find the AF on the 60D surprising very accurate and nimble in S AF mode.
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This is an incredibly difficult choice.

You own a great camera with MFA that has a noise profile about the same as the 60D and realizable resolution not very different either.

1. You can agonize about 60D, which you don't own, not having MFA.
2. You can produce awesome pictures with the 50D that has MFA.

I own a 50D (purchased used after the 60D launched).

I highly recommend angst and agony over relaxation and enjoyment.

But, that is not what I do myself.
 
jsanch08 said:
This is an incredibly difficult choice.

You own a great camera with MFA that has a noise profile about the same as the 60D and realizable resolution not very different either.

1. You can agonize about 60D, which you don't own, not having MFA.
2. You can produce awesome pictures with the 50D that has MFA.

I own a 50D (purchased used after the 60D launched).

I highly recommend angst and agony over relaxation and enjoyment.
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torture is pleasure in photography !

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wildlife & macro:
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interactive street:
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Comments and critique are always welcome!
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bronxbombers said:
Rich Dykmans said:
Agree to the above.

MA is for 3rd party lenses where the mfg couldn't get it right. Why should Canon worry about that? I have all relatively new Canon glass and haven't ever even turned the feature on on my 1D4 and don't miss it on the 60D. If you have a lens that needs it get a 7D or send it in and get it done right.
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Well I found a noticeable hit rate increase for sports photography after adjusting MFA even when using Canon's own fabled 300 2.8 IS so....
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The 300 f/2.8L is my lens of choice. It required no MFA with the 2X, until recently. Something happened somewhere. The 300 by itself or with the 1.4 needs no MFA, but now all of a sudden, with the 2X, it needs +3 MFA. I used a good target and took maybe a hundred shots just to make sure that MFA was actually needed (it was) and that the results of the MFA were repeatable (they were). After a pinch of MFA, everything is fine. Obviously, something went wrong somewhere, but MFA did the trick and saaved my rig a trip to canon service (who made two of my lenses worse after sending them in).
bronxbombers said:
And for wildlife on a 7D, 300 2.8+1.4x TC the pixel-level dof is soooo small, that even a single MFA step can mean double the hit rate in perfectly nailed focus.
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Try explaining this to someone who can't see if for themselves. What you have said here is absolutely true, and often overlooked. Getting the most out of the 7D sensor requires perfect focus. You'll never get it all the time, but you will get a higher numbers of keepers with a perfectly focused quality lens. MFA can help with this providing that a tweak will do the trick. Obviously, MFA is not a cure for a busted rig.

Interestingly, on my 20D, the 300 with the 2X works perfectly. It must have something to do with the lower pixel density of the 20D. I thought I had a problem with my 7D. I'm always shooting birds and for the past few months the 2X has been used with the 300. The problem was that the images were sharp, but not sharp enough. Just a pinch of MFA was enough to restore stunning detail, as one would expect. With the 7D, there's a huge difference between acceptably sharp and tack sharp.
bronxbombers said:
I haven't even found a single body+lens combo that does best at 0.
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No need for MFA on the 100-400 or the 70-200 (yet) :)
bronxbombers said:
As for sending it in to get it done right what about all the stories about needing to send it in 2-3 times? What if you maybe need the equipment for those two weeks? What if you are about to go on a expedition and they are too busy fixing broken 1D3 AF systems to have time to bother doing MFA for someone in time? What if the tolerances shift after a few years and then you need to waste more time dropping off equipment or risking shipment damage, etc.? Plus once warranty is over adjustment costs $$$.
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Canon service made my 17-40 worse after I sent it in. Years ago I sent in another lens with the same problem (would not focus at infinity). Two trips back and forth and they couldn't find the problem. I told the guy to oipen the door and take a picture of something outdoors at infinity and he would see the problem. Obviously, their test benches are not equipped to simulate properly shooting a subject at infinity. I have had bad luck with canon service over the years. MY 580 II has a problem. I'm not sending it in. I'll buy another one and keep this one as a bacckup. They'll probably charge me more than the thing is worth for the fix, and when I get itback it still won't work.

MFA is worth it just to keep my stuff out of canon service hands, which I consider a last resort.
bronxbombers said:
What if for certain photography you find the servo is running slightly behind and for this shoot you need to adjust MFA a little to account for that even though it makes it worse in other situations? No way to send it away and have it handle such a scenario.
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Again, agreed.

Sorry for all the typos. I hate the keyboard on this laptop.

Cheers
Rich
 
 
Those who say they don't need MA on a semi-pro, or at least "advanced amateur" body like the 60D, are in denial. Maybe for their particular lens(es) MA is not needed, but at least for some other people, MA is needed. And as long as it is so, having to send the camera back to the manufacturer for adjustment is ludicrous. And the thing is, this was in its predecessor the 50D, removing a feature and the absence of which causes a huge inconvenience for at least a portion of the users does not make sense whatsoever.

Anyhow, I will say no more.

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lenses: 17-40 f/4, 24-105 f/4, 100-400 f/4.5-5.6
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... what's the point of resuscitating an old thread so we can restart this old, tired debate yet again? The 60D doesn't have the the functionality. It's a bummer if you want it... best to look for a different alternative with that functionality if you need MFA. End of story and whether Canon made a good or bad decision here is truly a moot point.
Howard said:
Those who say they don't need MA on a semi-pro, or at least "advanced amateur" body like the 60D, are in denial. Maybe for their particular lens(es) MA is not needed, but at least for some other people, MA is needed. And as long as it is so, having to send the camera back to the manufacturer for adjustment is ludicrous. And the thing is, this was in its predecessor the 50D, removing a feature and the absence of which causes a huge inconvenience for at least a portion of the users does not make sense whatsoever.

Anyhow, I will say no more.

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cameras: 5D, 50D, D60, R2K
lenses: 17-40 f/4, 24-105 f/4, 100-400 f/4.5-5.6
24 f/3.5 TSE, 35 f/2, 50 f/1.4, Tamron 90 f/2.8 Macro
http://travelerathome.wordpress.com
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Jerry,

just suppose all of sudden there is no MFA on the 7D mk II - absurd?
Yes, absurd indeed, but then so was removal of MFA on the 50d --> 60d
path.

Would you sing the same song then? But it will be way too late to change
a tune - it would be a dead swan song :(.

So, what is very surprising is the very little level of outrage form 60D's
users common voice - instead we hear either a denial or even a meek
acceptance

jpr2
Jerry-astro said:
... what's the point of resuscitating an old thread so we can restart this old, tired debate yet again? The 60D doesn't have the the functionality. It's a bummer if you want it... best to look for a different alternative with that functionality if you need MFA. End of story and whether Canon made a good or bad decision here is truly a moot point.
Howard said:
Those who say they don't need MA on a semi-pro, or at least "advanced amateur" body like the 60D, are in denial. Maybe for their particular lens(es) MA is not needed, but at least for some other people, MA is needed. And as long as it is so, having to send the camera back to the manufacturer for adjustment is ludicrous. And the thing is, this was in its predecessor the 50D, removing a feature and the absence of which causes a huge inconvenience for at least a portion of the users does not make sense whatsoever.

Anyhow, I will say no more.

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cameras: 5D, 50D, D60, R2K
lenses: 17-40 f/4, 24-105 f/4, 100-400 f/4.5-5.6
24 f/3.5 TSE, 35 f/2, 50 f/1.4, Tamron 90 f/2.8 Macro
http://travelerathome.wordpress.com
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http://www.flickriver.com/photos/qmusaget/sets/72157609618638319/
music and dance:
http://www.flickriver.com/photos/qmusaget/sets/72157600341265280/
B&W:
http://www.flickriver.com/photos/qmusaget/sets/72157623306407882/
wildlife & macro:
http://www.flickriver.com/photos/qmusaget/sets/72157600341377106/
interactive street:
http://www.flickriver.com/photos/qmusaget/sets/72157623181919323/

Comments and critique are always welcome!
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If you want MFA - buy a camera with it. If Canon does not provide a model at the price you want with MFA (and contrary to what some think - they don't owe anybody any features!) then look to another brand.

The outrage you are trying to stir up does not exist - get over it.
 
plugin said:
If you want MFA - buy a camera with it. If Canon does not provide a model at the price you want with MFA (and contrary to what some think - they don't owe anybody any features!) then look to another brand.

The outrage you are trying to stir up does not exist - get over it.
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+1 to that for sure. It's all been said 100x before. And if there isn't enough outrage here to suit someone, then consider the fact that maybe, just maybe the vast majority of folks with 60Ds visiting this site aren't needing it. And if they are, then their alternative is a trip to Canon or shell out for a camera that has the feature.

All the whining will not change the 60d's feature set. Time to accept it and move on.
 
jpr2 said:
Jerry,

just suppose all of sudden there is no MFA on the 7D mk II - absurd?
Yes, absurd indeed, but then so was removal of MFA on the 50d --> 60d
path.
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So don't buy the new camera??? Easy solution...doesn't have what you think you need...

I am still in the camp that the 7D was the true 50D successor. Although I could care less, I bought the 7D for many different reasons than MFA...only ever used it on my 17-40 (+9 @ 23mm)
jpr2 said:
So, what is very surprising is the very little level of outrage form 60D's
users common voice - instead we hear either a denial or even a meek
acceptance
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No because probably 99% of 60D users don't pixel peep. More than 90% of them don't even know what MFA stands for...further to that, I'm willing to bet that better than 75% of 60D users normally use the camera on Green Square mode.

Face it....DP Review represents a TINY portion of the overall users out there. HELL, EVERY internet forum on earth probably represents less than 5% of Canon's annual camera sales...

Make sense now?
jpr2 said:
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yeah the 60D is sort of a side grade

it has better SNR/DR and a flip screen and video but slower fps and no MFA

kind of silly for canon have dumped the MFA which costs 0 cents to put in, but they wanted that to entice you to 7D or a future 70D, i don't think MFA is something they should play games with though since it kinda can be needed to just make the camera function as it should, it's not really an enhancement so much as a built-in repair.
Howard said:
Sorry if this has been discussed before (actually I am sure it has).

I have the 50D and am thinking about an upgrade at some point. I usually don't fantasize about camera specs so I have not looked into the specs of the 60D or 7D since they came out. But now as I am looking into them, I realized that the 60D does not have MA which is available on my 50D. Isn't this a downgrade from the 50D? I mean what do you do now if you need MA? Do you send it to Canon service? Do you send in all your lenses along with it? What if you buy a new lens? This does not make any sense to me.

Actually it makes sense from the marketing point of view -- obviously Canon is forcing people to pay more for the 7D. But from 50D to 60D, they take away a pretty critical feature, I think this is very bad.

Howard

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lenses: 17-40 f/4, 24-105 f/4, 100-400 f/4.5-5.6
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