Pete Dee
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Not until Elvis leaves the building......
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After 37 years .... It's not quite over apparently.
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Historicity
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I'm glad you started a new thread. The other had gotten much too cluttered.
the issue, for anyone starting with this thread, has to do with a fellow, Nightwing, who after 37 years with Pentax has decided to sell his unloved, or defective (depending upon which note of his in the previous thread you happen to read) K-5 and get a Nikon D-7000. At one point in his slow enunciation of issues, he cited the D-7000's superior AF ability. i read the dpreview reviews of the K-5 & D-7000 & indeed they say the D-7000 has a better AF function, but if you read the dpreview "cons" you will see one which says that the D-7000's AF doesn't work well in low light.
Dpreview gives the K-5 a higher rating than the D-7000. It does list some "cons" but later says that they are all minor.
Well into the previous discussion Nightwing said that his K-5 had been faulty. Just why he didn't return it is a mystery, but I just read the review comments of the D-7000 on Amazon.com. Nightwing should read the bottom 5 negative comments. Those horror stories would be enough to turn off any prospective D-7000 buyer governed by anecdotal evidence.
the issue, for anyone starting with this thread, has to do with a fellow, Nightwing, who after 37 years with Pentax has decided to sell his unloved, or defective (depending upon which note of his in the previous thread you happen to read) K-5 and get a Nikon D-7000. At one point in his slow enunciation of issues, he cited the D-7000's superior AF ability. i read the dpreview reviews of the K-5 & D-7000 & indeed they say the D-7000 has a better AF function, but if you read the dpreview "cons" you will see one which says that the D-7000's AF doesn't work well in low light.
Dpreview gives the K-5 a higher rating than the D-7000. It does list some "cons" but later says that they are all minor.
Well into the previous discussion Nightwing said that his K-5 had been faulty. Just why he didn't return it is a mystery, but I just read the review comments of the D-7000 on Amazon.com. Nightwing should read the bottom 5 negative comments. Those horror stories would be enough to turn off any prospective D-7000 buyer governed by anecdotal evidence.
GPGeneralPhoto
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Nightwings does have a point about Hoya Pentax QC (design?). I can't buy a Pentax locally. Late last year, when I was researching the K-R, I was in Chicago and stopped at Helix photo store (I had business nearby) to try one out, only to find that they dropped Pentax. I stopped by two other camera stores in Chicago only to find the same. My research only came from reviews. I bought the K-R based on reviews. No review mentioned the K-R focus problems and, looking at posts (after I bought one), it now seems very common. I know that I don't like to send stuff back for replacement, it's a pain. Maybe he got tired of sending the camera back. I hope the new owners will improve QC.
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soheil
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It's an unfair policy of some competetors to bash others by false bad comments. Maybe our friend in this forum is acting like one of those. The bad comments on other sites should be granted doubtfully. The truth is that the differences among different brands are so little that making the choice is getting more difficult eachday.--
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I don't see the point of a post like that (the original) unless it's to troll.
It's rather like going to your ex's family's house and extolling the virtues of your new girlfriend compared with the old one, it's never going to go down well. Though we're only dealing with electronic and optical equipment, people get surprisingly attached.
I believe the response will be similar or even more hostile in any other forum and over jumping ship in any other direction.
BTW, my dad has a Nikon D5000 and I find it very frustrating to use compared with my K10D.
Keith Koether
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I'm glad I just enjoy taking pictures. Most of my bad shots can be traced back to me. I thoroughly enjoy my K200D and the more I use it the less rejects I get. I just shot almost 2000 shots over 2 days at a Hydroplane race in Madison, IN. 99% of them with a manual focus zoom lens. I probably had 95% keepers.
http://s525.photobucket.com/albums/cc337/kkoether61/2011%20Madison%20Regatta%20Saturday%207-2-2011/
http://s525.photobucket.com/albums/cc337/kkoether61/2011%20Madison%20Regatta%20Sunday%207-3-2011/
I've learned how to get the most out of my equipment and I think it still has more potential.
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I've learned how to get the most out of my equipment and I think it still has more potential.
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baldeagle21b
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Cue the Wagnerian music, for DPreview and the Pentax DSLR talk with never be the same without Nightwings to kick around.
Historicity
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"Nightwings does have a point about Hoya Pentax QC (design?). . . I bought the K-R based on reviews. No review mentioned the K-R focus problems and, looking at posts (after I bought one), it now seems very common. . . ."
My personal experience with the Pentax line is limited to the K20d but the one area where my K20d shines brighter than my Olympus cameras (E1, E500 & E520) is QC. If one reads the dpreview review of the K-5, one will find the reviewer claiming that the K-5 has better QC than its competitors. It rated the D-7000 better in AF not in QC.
The K-5 wasn't downgraded in relation to the D-7000 because it produced poorer QC, quite the reverse. The K-5 produced better QC. What the D-7000 could do better than the K-5 was focus more quickly. For the way I use my cameras that wouldn't be a problem. And how quick is quick? My K20d seems fairly quick and I imagine the K-5 must be quicker. I can't imagine needing all that much quickness.
And don't forget, the K-5 was given a higher ultimate rating than the D-7000. The "cons" it mentions were admittedly small ones. The largest "con" seems to have been its price, $300 higher than the D-7000 at the time of the review, and that seems to have evened out -- at least according to what I've seen on Amazon.com.
My personal experience with the Pentax line is limited to the K20d but the one area where my K20d shines brighter than my Olympus cameras (E1, E500 & E520) is QC. If one reads the dpreview review of the K-5, one will find the reviewer claiming that the K-5 has better QC than its competitors. It rated the D-7000 better in AF not in QC.
The K-5 wasn't downgraded in relation to the D-7000 because it produced poorer QC, quite the reverse. The K-5 produced better QC. What the D-7000 could do better than the K-5 was focus more quickly. For the way I use my cameras that wouldn't be a problem. And how quick is quick? My K20d seems fairly quick and I imagine the K-5 must be quicker. I can't imagine needing all that much quickness.
And don't forget, the K-5 was given a higher ultimate rating than the D-7000. The "cons" it mentions were admittedly small ones. The largest "con" seems to have been its price, $300 higher than the D-7000 at the time of the review, and that seems to have evened out -- at least according to what I've seen on Amazon.com.
jeffster_ca
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Im still shooting with an *istDs so I must be old. Sure I have Canon too, but the switch is not 100% over yet. And for AF, hmmm I get Terns in flight dropping in for a feast on Lake Ontario.
tdwesbo
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The camera body "horse race" has no winners... Bodies are all obsolete in a few years anyway.
I think some folks gets so obsessed with finding the 'perfect' camera for how they think they work and don't realize until too late that the camera is only one component of a good photograph. Then, some of these same folks are still creating the same old uninspired photos, or are obsessed with test shots and resolution charts, and start shopping for a new body that will get in a few extra FPS in burst, or will AF just that much quicker. Or, heaven forbid, will show a few more lines per mm in a resolution chart.
Measurebation, like its soundalike namesake, is enjoyable in small doses but really accomplishes very little over the long term...
My local meetup has its share of amateurs who created uninspired photos with their Canon 40d, traded it for a 50d, and then stepped up to a 7d or 60d and whose galleries have the same kinds of photos in them now as when they had their 40d.
Sad...
And like I said in the other thread, single-system shooters are weird to me. Want a D300s to shoot sports? Go get one. Keep your K-5 to take backpacking in bad weather. Want a 5dMII for some studio work? Fine... Go get one, or go get the last generation. It doesn't mean that your K-5 or K10D or whatever has suddenly stopped taking pictures...
I think some folks gets so obsessed with finding the 'perfect' camera for how they think they work and don't realize until too late that the camera is only one component of a good photograph. Then, some of these same folks are still creating the same old uninspired photos, or are obsessed with test shots and resolution charts, and start shopping for a new body that will get in a few extra FPS in burst, or will AF just that much quicker. Or, heaven forbid, will show a few more lines per mm in a resolution chart.
Measurebation, like its soundalike namesake, is enjoyable in small doses but really accomplishes very little over the long term...
My local meetup has its share of amateurs who created uninspired photos with their Canon 40d, traded it for a 50d, and then stepped up to a 7d or 60d and whose galleries have the same kinds of photos in them now as when they had their 40d.
Sad...
And like I said in the other thread, single-system shooters are weird to me. Want a D300s to shoot sports? Go get one. Keep your K-5 to take backpacking in bad weather. Want a 5dMII for some studio work? Fine... Go get one, or go get the last generation. It doesn't mean that your K-5 or K10D or whatever has suddenly stopped taking pictures...
tdwesbo
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Pete Dee
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The poster in the other thread did apparently have some issues with a couple of cameras and that is fine but to have to shout about it and then dis everyone that makes a comment is not good form especially when his track record is on record.
Cheers.
Pete
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And your "sequel post" is good for... what?
The guy repeatedly voiced his "issues" about his Pentax cams and then made this "farewell" post saying he was switching to Nikon...
... all everybody had to do was... nothing, just let him go his way, but no, the Pentax name had to be cleaned white of all accusations, thus fueling what looks to me like a last bait for... well, for you guys...
And now you start an all new thread on your own... what are you trying to achieve, putting a definitive end to the eternal Pentax vs brand X discussions? Definitely proving that Pentax's AF, QC and what not are faultless? Good luck.
He must be laughing at you all the way to his new forum of election... two threads going their ways towards the 150 limit: good job for a "farewell"!
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tdwesbo
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My post has nothing to do with that particular user, just that the search for the perfect system is pointless, and all the personal accusations going on haven't resulted in a single good photograph...
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I'am OK with that (and I agree), but I was not answering your post but Pete's one.
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zxaar
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if it was all that simple. He said in his farewell post that the people who did not agree with him, to them , I quote:
Now who are these guys with myopic views. These are the guys or pentax users who does not agree with him. And should agree to what that they need Nikon to shoot some particular type of photo??? So if someone tells him that he does not need to spend 2300$ to take that , he could do the same by spending 800$.
Sounds like the guy has made up his mind and now every one who does not agree with him is just plain fool.
Nikon forum is full of nikon users, no one from here go to nikon forum and writes post giving replies that he got. He started a thread in pentax forum tell others they have myopic views, he got replies back in kind.
Nothing wrong in ridiculing others who are stupid enough to invite such ridicule.
If he was a troll he must be happy for his accomplishments.
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You say QC (Quality Control) but it sounds like you really mean build quality. No one argues that the build quality (on the K5, at least) is excellent. Quality Control, is a different matter. My local store, who was one of the few that carried Pentax at all, recently dropped Pentax completely. When I asked, I was told:
1. Difficulty getting stock in a timely fashion.
2. Too many returns (lenses and bodies, including K5 an K7 before that).
This is a shop that still stocks Sigma, which is known for having QC issues.
Historicity
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For those who think Pentax has standout QC problems, Google "Pentax QC problems." Yes you will see some items under that heading, but then Google "Nikon QC Problems," and finally "Canon QC problems," and see if you can determine which camera brand has the worst problems -- or if each listing is nothing more than the anecdotes that accompany every manufactured automobile, motorcycle, airplane and camera.
Does Pentax have QC problems? Yes, QC problems are inherent in every manufactured item. Are Pentax problems worse than its competitors? I have seen anecdotal evidence only on this matter. No statistics are provided.
Does Pentax have QC problems? Yes, QC problems are inherent in every manufactured item. Are Pentax problems worse than its competitors? I have seen anecdotal evidence only on this matter. No statistics are provided.
ccd219344
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Exactly right. Just finding numbers of issues does not give a percentage.....nor does it always show the entire story behind the problem.
Just because someone returns a camera to a store, for example, does not mean it was due to quality control issues. People exchange or return things for refunds all the time for a variety of reasons.....and many of those have nothing to do with the actual item being faulty. Does anybody keep track of those figures?
Just because someone returns a camera to a store, for example, does not mean it was due to quality control issues. People exchange or return things for refunds all the time for a variety of reasons.....and many of those have nothing to do with the actual item being faulty. Does anybody keep track of those figures?
So what?
Doesn't it look like a huge bait for "fans" to attack him back and "set things straight" to you?
Which didin't accomplish anything other than giving him undeserved publicity.
Yes he must.
Had he be met with a deafening silence, he would now be gnashing his teeth in front of his computer with hiis post back in 5th page... imagine that... ;-)
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