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Hi all as a beginner with cameras I would like to know if the HS10 is as good as the HS20, also if anyone could suggest any good books for beginners to help me with one of the above cameras. Many thanks
 
for sure the HS20 has a bit more to offer but if you want to save yourself some money and still enjoy good photography the HS10 will do just fine.

It is a big question which you have to ask yourself if you want to mature further in photography you may rather think of buying a used DSLR.

But if you go to buy a HS10 have a look on Dave Loyds blog you will find many useful hints.
Cheers,
Siggi
 
Adrian, the HS10's an excellent camera to learn on. As long as you bear in mind, it takes a bit of getting used to, and does need a bit of effort to get the best out of it.

best of luck

Andrew
 
adrianpc said:
Hi all as a beginner with cameras I would like to know if the HS10 is as good as the HS20, also if anyone could suggest any good books for beginners to help me with one of the above cameras. Many thanks
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The HS20 would be the better of the two, most people that have upgraded from the HS10 seem very happy.

As far as books go, I found these books good for the basics (and an introduction to some more advanced techniques)

"The basic book of digital photography" by Tom and Michele Grimm ISBN 978-0-452-28955-0

And one from New Zealand:

"Digital cameras - the easy way" by Brian Miller ISBN 978-0-473-13385-6

I haven't found any specifically on the HS 10/20 or bridge cameras as such, but there may be a few out there somewhere.

Good luck with your decision, and you can always come back for advice, there are some good people here keen to help.
 
Wow, 3rd ed. last year? Mine is from '04.

This is one of Kim's recommendations IIRC for getting grounded.
 
There aren't any books for cameras such as this specifically - no books at all for Fuji products as far as I can see and almost no books for anything except DSLRs overall. There's just too many point n' shoots for publishers to throw any money into that market.

Having said that, EyeMindSoul's blog, the posts on this camera found here: http://akiwiretrospective.blogspot.com/ and this site: http://www.cameratips.com/hs10 have a LOT of very useful information on this camera.

I've owned both the HS10 (sold it to get the HS20) and while I do agree that the HS20 is better in SOME respects, I could get shots with the HS10 that I'm finding a bit more difficult with the HS20... the 20 is a different beast and then some. The 10 is much more of a traditional camera in terms of its controls - I'd say it's an EXCELLENT learning camera :)

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I sometimes think I know what I'm doing. That's only a temporary illusion
 
Daniel Lowe said:
adrianpc said:
Hi all as a beginner with cameras I would like to know if the HS10 is as good as the HS20, also if anyone could suggest any good books for beginners to help me with one of the above cameras. Many thanks
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The HS20 would be the better of the two, most people that have upgraded from the HS10 seem very happy.
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That's reasonable. Most people that upgrade from any model to its successor tend to be happy, except for the upgraders that weren't so happy, and a number of them posted their reasons here for returning their HS20s. It's also true that most HS10 owners haven't purchased an HS20, and I "know that for a fact" because my info. source is the same as yours. :)

I'll add that at the same price, the HS20 should be slightly preferable to the HS10, but when you can buy an HS10 in EX+ condition for about $125 less, the HS20 becomes much less compelling. In fact, for someone that doesn't already own a bridge camera, the best choice could be the S100fs which is also available in EX and EX+ condition for only a few dollars more than the HS10.

http://www.keh.com/Camera/format-Digital/system-Fuji-Digital/category-Point-and-Shoots?s=1&bcode=DF&ccode=5&cc=79270&r=WG&f
 
I bought the book based solely on Kim's recommendation.

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Apologies if my lack of photographic knowledge is catching.
 
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That's reasonable. Most people that upgrade from any model to its successor tend to be happy, except for the upgraders that weren't so happy, and a number of them posted their reasons here for returning their HS20s. It's also true that most HS10 owners haven't purchased an HS20, and I "know that for a fact" because my info. source is the same as yours. :)
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I guess I just place more weight on People such as Boo and Adam that seem to know these cameras very well, know how to test them, have post processed the images, and by all accounts seem to swear black and blue that the HS20 is the camera that the HS10 should have been .
Billx08 said:
I'll add that at the same price, the HS20 should be slightly preferable to the HS10, but when you can buy an HS10 in EX+ condition for about $125 less, the HS20 becomes much less compelling.
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That is certainly worth considering, but the extra speed, dynamic range, and less detail smearing of the 20 is hard to pass by.
Billx08 said:
In fact, for someone that doesn't already own a bridge camera, the best choice could be the S100fs which is also available in EX and EX+ condition for only a few dollars more than the HS10.
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I can't find any s100fs cameras in NZ (they are getting pretty old now), Spain may be better in that regard though.
 
Daniel Lowe said:
Daniel Lowe said:
Billx08 wrote:

That's reasonable. Most people that upgrade from any model to its successor tend to be happy, except for the upgraders that weren't so happy, and a number of them posted their reasons here for returning their HS20s. It's also true that most HS10 owners haven't purchased an HS20, and I "know that for a fact" because my info. source is the same as yours. :)
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I guess I just place more weight on People such as Boo and Adam that seem to know these cameras very well, know how to test them, have post processed the images, and by all accounts seem to swear black and blue that the HS20 is the camera that the HS10 should have been .
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I trust their opinions too but in the limited testing that I did, I didn't find much difference between the HS10 and HS20. Of course the HS20 should have better dynamic range but I didn't have the HS20 long enough to check that out. And from what Boo has said, while she uses the HS20, it is "the only bridge I have any experience of", so I don't think that she ever wrote that the HS20 is a much better camera. Of course it's nice to have faster write times and such, but for resolution they're pretty comparable, both weighing in below the older S100fs.

Daniel Lowe said:
Daniel Lowe said:
I'll add that at the same price, the HS20 should be slightly preferable to the HS10, but when you can buy an HS10 in EX+ condition for about $125 less, the HS20 becomes much less compelling.
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That is certainly worth considering, but the extra speed, dynamic range, and less detail smearing of the 20 is hard to pass by.
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It's not eliminated, it's just less than the HS10. And to get it you have to turn down two of the default settings that make the detail much worse until they're made more tolerable in post processing. How many HS20 users do you think are going to know enough to change Sharpness from the default STD to SOFT or the Noise Reduction from the default STD to LOW ? Some of our resident Fuji "experts" have recommended changing Sharpness not to SOFT but to HARD . It ain't that easy for Joe Average Fuji Fan.

Daniel Lowe said:
Daniel Lowe said:
In fact, for someone that doesn't already own a bridge camera, the best choice could be the S100fs which is also available in EX and EX+ condition for only a few dollars more than the HS10.
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I can't find any s100fs cameras in NZ (they are getting pretty old now), Spain may be better in that regard though.
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Good idea. Combine business with pleasure. Just take care to stay away from Pamplona during the running of the bulls. Fortunately, the week long San Fermin Festival ended just a couple of days ago.
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3am-7am - find a spot to watch the run from

Read more about Where to Stand at the Pamplona Running of the Bulls.

7.45am get your camera ready

The action comes thick and fast - the part that you can see from where you are standing only lasts about 10 seconds. Therefore you need to get your camera ready. If it has a sports setting, try that, but test it beforehand or you might end up with useless pictures.

8am - enjoy the run!

You've waited all night for this, so have fun! If this is your first day, don't run - watch and learn (I actually recommend that you don't run at all, but who am I to say what you do when you're there?).

8.15am until 5pm - very little happens!

Nothing much happens in Pamplona during the day, as most people are sleeping. If you don't have anywhere to stay, you're going to have to move on (see above for booking hotels). Many people sleep in the parks or walk out of the city and find some shade to rest for a few hours.

If you are planning on running (hopefully you only watched the first time), you should walk the route with someone who has run before. Read more Tips for Running with the Bulls in Pamplona.
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http://gospain.about.com/od/pamplonabullrun/qt/bull_run.htm
 
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