Challenge #7 - CHAT - Motion

Sounds fair to me Frank.

Paul, if the thread hadn't been closed at the time your posted your entry, your shots is eligible.

I guess I need to go check the Submit thread and see if still needs closing! :-)

Yours sincerely,
Michael Offe,
South Australia.
I am not a judge, but I did work with Sid, Michael and Doug on
rewriting the rules. There will be a small change starting with
the new Challenge, but one thing we agreed on for all Challenges
was the closing time. The "Official Closing Time" is stated at
7:00 PM CST. However, the actual closing is when one of the
Officials actually posts "Challenge Closed" in the thread. That
has not happend yet, so my guess is, your submission counts...

::Hoping I'm not speaking out of school on this:::

Frank
Looks like I was late ! Waited till the last minute as usual, then
discovered I had lost my cookie to pbase AND forgotten my password
! Had to wait on e-mail-- Oh, well, I await the decision of the
judges.

On my knees,

Paul Sansom
Helena, Alabama
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Ahhh! Maybe so..I don't remember the rules from the last challenge, I assumed since it was posted in challenge 7 chat that it applied. Nevertheless I think my comments remain relevant for future challenges. I think we need to be careful about rules and their interpretation. Perhaps we should include with a "new" rule the intent or spirit behind the rule. I can understand the desire to keep the playing field even, but "No artificial lighting" can be interpreted in a lot of different ways.

Cheers,
Brent
I should probably be disqualified
for using a flashlight - however, a cheap flash light is hardly a
prohibitively expensive accessory and others could easily adapt.
SPECIAL RULES
The following RULES apply for this challenge:
1. No Artificial Lighting
Brent, I think that was a special rule for the Faces of the World
challenge wasn't it?
It doesn't apply to the Motion challenge. At least that's the way I
read it.

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As far as challenge #6 I had to ask about the "artificial light" since I live in an area where there's almost no daylight for months during the winter and all light we have available (and that was what the challenge said "available light") is incadecent light through ceiling lamps, desklamps etc.

Would I then be disqualified 6 months a year because there's a rule for "no artificial lighting"??

I don't think so!

But the challenge #6 had a rule about using anything but available light meaning you could use incadecent light, but not a flash- or studio setup.

Petra
Cheers,
Brent
I should probably be disqualified
for using a flashlight - however, a cheap flash light is hardly a
prohibitively expensive accessory and others could easily adapt.
SPECIAL RULES
The following RULES apply for this challenge:
1. No Artificial Lighting
Brent, I think that was a special rule for the Faces of the World
challenge wasn't it?
It doesn't apply to the Motion challenge. At least that's the way I
read it.

--
Regards Sheila

NCP5
--
Nikon Coolpix 995
http://www.bol.ucla.edu/~bhaydama
http://www.pbase.com/bhaydama
 
brent I was using the #6 challenge as an example, sorry if that was confusing. But I agree with your statements =)
Cheers,
Brent
I should probably be disqualified
for using a flashlight - however, a cheap flash light is hardly a
prohibitively expensive accessory and others could easily adapt.
SPECIAL RULES
The following RULES apply for this challenge:
1. No Artificial Lighting
Brent, I think that was a special rule for the Faces of the World
challenge wasn't it?
It doesn't apply to the Motion challenge. At least that's the way I
read it.

--
Regards Sheila

NCP5
--
Nikon Coolpix 995
http://www.bol.ucla.edu/~bhaydama
http://www.pbase.com/bhaydama
 
The rule regarding artificial light for challenge 6 was
simply stated as "any light was ok as long as it was a
natural light from the enviroment and the main issue
was that light was not moved to create a specific lighting
effect. So in effect it was ok to using incandescent lighting
as long as it wasn't staged for the shot.

Sid

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Jim,

The trick was to let the shutter open long enough in dim light and to use the multi-flash feature of my Sunpak 5000. In my submitted entry, the flash fired 3 times at 90Hz. The coin is thus frozen in 3 different positions 1/90s apart in time. The difficult part was to get a good framing and a nice layout of the 3 coin positions. I've also tried 5 consecutive flashes, but I decided at the end that 3 was giving the best results.

Cheers,

AB.
 
Challenge 7 - comments of a voter (Part 1)

Please vote BEFORE reading this post. I want to recognize the effort of all entrants, not influence voting.

These are random thoughts on each image as I vote. They are intended to help, not hurt. I've been taking pictures for a long time but I am always learning and you should not consider my opinion as coming from an expert.

My main criteria for voting is "would I want an 11x14 of this image hanging on my wall?" along with consideration to how well the challenge theme has been worked into the image.

A number in front of an entry is how I voted (or ranked) the image.

7) AirBete-2Dollars: A toonie! (A Canadian 1 dollar coin has a loon on it and has earned the nickname "loonie"). I like the position of the light for this shot and the good tight cropping. The triple flash effect portrays motion and is not excessive. A tough subject but a neat shot. Well done. Contender.

Alex_Pupko-Dance: Without a doubt, these are the best legs of any NTF Challenge to date. You can hear the music and are ready a great exhibition of dance. While the dacers' pose is captured nicely, I want to see more of them - their hands and feet are cut off. That light is distracting.

BAW-CargoRikshaDriver: A bustling street scene that has been cropped a little too tight. The main subject is on a bike/rickshaw, but there is only a hint of it. The pastel colors behind the subject help the image, but some of the bustle in the background is lost in the shadow.

4) BrentWHaydamack-Reading: Capturing the motion of reading a book is not something I expected to see in a "motion" challenge. Extremely well done. Great composition. I never read that fast :-). Contender.

Charandane-Mindbender: This motion and feel of this shot really appeals to me. Perhaps it is the loop-de-loop composition and the spontaneous feeling that the photographer is on a rollercoaster too.

8) CliveR-Statue: Statues are one of the toughest subjects to photograph well. The silhouette lighting of a warm hazy evening along with a great composition makes this a peaceful scene. This is not one I'd pick for motion, but it would be a worthy contender in a "mood" challenge. Nice shot.

DStrand-OneFootedAir: Panned action. These are very challenging to bring off. It's close, but I think I would have cropped tighter to the subject - there are some really neat streaks coming off the biker's head and back. Unfortunately the light near the back wheel is very distracting. Keep panning.

DannyEvans-SlowMotion: Nice. Colorful playful stop-action shot. Cropping more off the top (1/6th) would have really helped here.

Doc_Brown-SUV: Nice depth of field. I like the diminishing perspective. Unfortunately, it reminds us too much of the daily commuting grind (just add snow :-).

Doug_Barber-ExtremeMotion: This is a really impressive shot (read Doug's intro: http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1007&message=3850740 ). Obviously, a lot of work went into this. Even so, I think I would have cropped out the table and copper and concentrated on the grapefruit and grapefruit splat. Really neat shot, though (pun intended).

Ed_Rothberg-EgretThis: This is an uncommon/unique shot. the trouble is I either want more motion blur (to portray motion) or less motion blur (to make it look less like a blurry shot). Kinda demanding, eh?

Filski-SurfsUp: I think you're just trying to make us frozen Canadians jealous. Good stop-action, nicely composed shot. I'd lose the second surfer's arm with a crop, though.

FiveBraids-ChillySurfer: Neat composition. I'm a big fan of putting the subject off in the corner (really!). The kids at the bottom are distracting though - I'd say crop them out.

Frank_Vigil-CityChaos: Lively, colorful scene. I can almost hear the honking traffic. Even though the title has "chaos" in it, my eye needs to be drawn somewhere for this to grab me. Close, though Frank (did the guy carrying the coffee on the lower right get his toes squished by the cab?).

George_Tech-Machining: I see a whirling machine with bits of metal flying about. Looks like a good opportunity for a motion shot. I think I'd have concentrated more on a close up of the flying metal (perhaps with a longer exposure time to emphasize the motion).

Ginko-HomeFast: Nifty surrealistic image. A lesson in how to turn a mundane commute into an interesting photo composition. Nicely done.

Grumpy168-ClockMovement: Nicely depicted motion. Chrome & brass with a black background - looks good. I'd be tempted to crop out the reflections on the bottom (1/6th), though.

Hank_Marquardt-FlyingDolphins: Incredible shot! The subject is a little too dark, though. Don't be afraid to sacrifice some highlight in trade for detail on your main subject whether in-camera or in post-processing.

....... Please see Part 2 for more ...


Mark Schretlen
http://kodachrome.fotki.com/
 
Challenge 7 - comments of a voter (Part 2)

Please vote BEFORE reading this post. I would want to recognize the effort of all entrants, not influence voting.

These are random thoughts on each image as I vote. They are intended to help, not hurt. I've been taking pictures for a long time but I am always learning and you should not consider my opinion as coming from an expert.

My main criteria for voting is "would I want an 11x14 of this image hanging on my wall?" along with consideration to how well the challenge theme has been worked into the image.

A number in front of an entry is how I voted (or ranked) the image.

J-P.Scherrer-Traffic: Ahhh, a night shot. I like the diminishing perspective and the elevated position of the camera. Nice shot.

Jim-ZoomZoom: No question about motion here. My choice would have been to pan and try to "stop" the truck and have the background imply motion.

1) John_Brain-TheOneRing: Wow! An obviously well-planned and superbly executed image. Definitely a winner.

Judy_Arndt-Chickadee: The naturally "stop-action" chickadee. These guys just flit from one pose to another which Judy has captured nicely. It's nice to see the catchlight in the eye.

Kamenko-MagicWand: Nice colorful, playful, shot with warm expressions on the subjects. Unfortunately, the wand covers too much of the child's face.

8) Kitgard-SmallPlayerSoccer: I love the balance and motion of the subject. Good strong composition with pleasing color and crisp focus on the ball. Good shot.

Kula-HappyExit: This is shot from a neat perspective, but I would have liked it better without the motion blur. Even though motion is the object of the challenge, it doesn't work for me on this shot.

Larry_Berman-PreTheatre: I've seen this in front of me a thousand times but I've never thought of photographing it - thanks for the idea, Larry. With the muted color and motion of the subjects, this almost looks like a painting (of course the theatre background helps). I like this shot.

5) Loraine_Arnold-Motion: One of the few "water motion" shots, and it's a good one. Beautiful light, nice perspective and good composition. A contender.

Mark_Schretlen-Speedskater: This is my entry. What can I say? - sometimes you get lucky. For me, this pan was one of those lucky times.

Michael_Offe-NewLifeInThe_Breeze: Another well planned shot that comes off nicely. The black background and the randomness of the seedlings help this shot. Excellent composition.

Muriel_Sulli-FrozenInTime: I like how the flash has "frozen" the water into a rich bubbly pattern. The juxtaposition of water and red color are effective. What doesn't work is the center/subject/color is out of the plane of focus whereas the interesting background is in sharp focus.

2) Murray_Latter-MoonAndTheStars: Wonderful shot. I love the moon and stars with the motion of the clouds and the anchor of the trees. A very strong contender.

Myron_Nyquist-DigitalCanvas: The motion of the hammock has created an "oil-paint halo" of motion around a nicely exposed subject. Very effective.

9) Paul_Sansom-TakingFlight: Anybody who attempts wildlife pictures will appeciate the quality of this shot. Majestically frozen in flight the bird of prey makes a stunning image. For me, the out of focus branch on the left is really annoying and spoils this wonderful shot - I would suggest that you clone it out in Photoshop.

6) Peter_iNova-Motion: Composition at its finest in a technically excellent shot with rich, fine detail. Contender.

Pns-Oldie: Good example of rotational motion. Good tight crop. Would have preferred to see more detail/light on the arm.

PowerPet-TimeInMotion: Effective use of the frame for clean motion in a macro. Nice lighting with sharp contrast.

Shy1-ExsqueezeMe: The first entrant to include picture of a Nikon Coolpix in a challenge.

Skater-Midnight2: Nice spin motion. I like seeing that the sequins on the subject's arm are sharp. The composition is good but a tighter crop might have been better (but you would have lost the nice triple highlight ice reference).

3) SlantyBard-RacingTheSunrise: I really like the tranquility of this shot. It makes me want to move back to Vancouver. Good work, SlantyBard. Great color and composition. Contender.

Stefan_Marjoram-RallyCar: Pans with subjects at this speed and in these lighting conditions are not that easy with a digital - this one worked very well. Nice work. I would have been tempted to crop out more of the bottom fence.

Tyson_Smoothy-GoodMorningLeonid: Awesome capture. Not many astronomical shots give the viewer a ground reference - this one not only does that, but it provides color and composition as well. Great shot.

Vici-Baseball: I am trying to figure out how you pulled this one off at f/5.1 - you've kept the ball resonably in focus along with the player. Another unique shot from Vici.

Best of luck to all,

Mark


Mark Schretlen
http://kodachrome.fotki.com/
 
Hi AirBete,
Looks like we both used similar technics to obtain our shots. :-)

I set my PZ-5000AF to 8 (or 9 - can't remember which) Hz flashes at 4 Hz.

Because of the time it takes to blow the seeds off a thistle, and the fact that I only had one thistle to use for my shoot (no second chance!) I sent my 990 to 8 second exposure. This did give me a fair bit of post work to remove the hot pixels and noise. in retrospect I may have been able to get away with a 4 second exposure.

Anyway, Great shot of yours... I really like it!
...and hooray for the PZ-5000AF !!! :-)

Yours sincerely,
Michael Offe,
South Australia.
Jim,

The trick was to let the shutter open long enough in dim light and
to ue the multi-flash feature of my Sunpak 5000. In my submitted
entry, the flash fired 3 times at 90Hz. The coin is thus frozen in
3 different positions 1/90s apart in time. The difficult part was
to get a good framing and a nice layout of the 3 coin positions.
I've also tried 5 consecutive flashes, but I decided at the end
that 3 was giving the best results.

Cheers,

AB.
 
Ed_Rothberg-EgretThis: This is an uncommon/unique shot. the trouble
is I either want more motion blur (to portray motion) or less
motion blur (to make it look less like a blurry shot). Kinda
demanding, eh?
Mark,

No, not demanding at all. I agree with this myself. Unfortunately with shots such as these we can't always get the camera set up the way we want. I was walking in a parking lot when the egret flew by me. Good thing I even had the camera in my hand! :-)

BTW, Everyone seems to want to add an H to my name :-(

= Ed =

--
= Ed Rotberg =

'A waist is a terrible thing to mind'
 
Ed_Rothberg-EgretThis: This is an uncommon/unique shot. the trouble
is I either want more motion blur (to portray motion) or less
motion blur (to make it look less like a blurry shot). Kinda
demanding, eh?
Mark,

No, not demanding at all. I agree with this myself. Unfortunately
with shots such as these we can't always get the camera set up the
way we want.
I know exactly what you mean. Unexpected photo opportunities tend to be fleeting and unforgiving.
I was walking in a parking lot when the egret flew by
me. Good thing I even had the camera in my hand! :-)
I totally agree.
BTW, Everyone seems to want to add an H to my name :-(
It's probably spelled that way in the challenge gallery. It's permanent - you have to change your name now :-)
= Ed =

--
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'A waist is a terrible thing to mind'

Mark Schretlen
http://kodachrome.fotki.com/
 
thanx, mark!

i've often thought this kind of analysis has been missing from this challenge. we don't want to be told how to vote (and it's clear u didn't intend it that way), but sometimes a few comments can make me see things in a photo i hadn't seen before (and should have), and often will increase my appreciation of it. if u have the time, please keep it up. i hope this will encourage other masters (sarcasm not meant!) to do the same.

now, re: your comments to my pic:

"Pns-Oldie: Good example of rotational motion. Good tight crop. Would have preferred to see more detail/light on the arm."

i didn't actually think of the light on the arm. good point, though! will try to run curves or so on it. i was more concerned with getting the rite effect on the label, and the reflection from the yellow cartridge on the record.

actually, my real goal was to contrast the movement of the record and the stillness of the arm/head, something Murray_Latter achieved in his MoonAndTheStars, as u noticed.

cheers,
pns
 
Thanks for all of the time you put into this, and yeah, I rushed to get this ready - the branch you mentioned didn't bother me until I had already posted, here's the revision.
Paul

Mark said:
...
9) Paul_Sansom-TakingFlight: Anybody who attempts wildlife pictures
will appeciate the quality of this shot. Majestically frozen in
flight the bird of prey makes a stunning image. For me, the out of
focus branch on the left is really annoying and spoils this
wonderful shot - I would suggest that you clone it out in Photoshop.

Mark Schretlen
http://kodachrome.fotki.com/


--
Paul Sansom
Helena, Alabama
http://www.pbase.com/nomantra
 
I'm finding your comments a very enjoyable addition
to these challenges. I hope you continue on with it
in the future. It really is a valuable addition to our
challenge.

Sid
Challenge 7 - comments of a voter (Part 1)

Please vote BEFORE reading this post. I want to recognize the
effort of all entrants, not influence voting.

These are random thoughts on each image as I vote. They are
intended to help, not hurt. I've been taking pictures for a long
time but I am always learning and you should not consider my
opinion as coming from an expert.

My main criteria for voting is "would I want an 11x14 of this image
hanging on my wall?" along with consideration to how well the
challenge theme has been worked into the image.

A number in front of an entry is how I voted (or ranked) the image.

7) AirBete-2Dollars: A toonie! (A Canadian 1 dollar coin has a loon
on it and has earned the nickname "loonie"). I like the position of
the light for this shot and the good tight cropping. The triple
flash effect portrays motion and is not excessive. A tough subject
but a neat shot. Well done. Contender.

Alex_Pupko-Dance: Without a doubt, these are the best legs of any
NTF Challenge to date. You can hear the music and are ready a great
exhibition of dance. While the dacers' pose is captured nicely, I
want to see more of them - their hands and feet are cut off. That
light is distracting.

BAW-CargoRikshaDriver: A bustling street scene that has been
cropped a little too tight. The main subject is on a bike/rickshaw,
but there is only a hint of it. The pastel colors behind the
subject help the image, but some of the bustle in the background is
lost in the shadow.

4) BrentWHaydamack-Reading: Capturing the motion of reading a book
is not something I expected to see in a "motion" challenge.
Extremely well done. Great composition. I never read that fast :-).
Contender.

Charandane-Mindbender: This motion and feel of this shot really
appeals to me. Perhaps it is the loop-de-loop composition and the
spontaneous feeling that the photographer is on a rollercoaster too.

8) CliveR-Statue: Statues are one of the toughest subjects to
photograph well. The silhouette lighting of a warm hazy evening
along with a great composition makes this a peaceful scene. This is
not one I'd pick for motion, but it would be a worthy contender in
a "mood" challenge. Nice shot.

DStrand-OneFootedAir: Panned action. These are very challenging to
bring off. It's close, but I think I would have cropped tighter to
the subject - there are some really neat streaks coming off the
biker's head and back. Unfortunately the light near the back wheel
is very distracting. Keep panning.

DannyEvans-SlowMotion: Nice. Colorful playful stop-action shot.
Cropping more off the top (1/6th) would have really helped here.

Doc_Brown-SUV: Nice depth of field. I like the diminishing
perspective. Unfortunately, it reminds us too much of the daily
commuting grind (just add snow :-).

Doug_Barber-ExtremeMotion: This is a really impressive shot (read
Doug's intro:
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1007&message=3850740
). Obviously, a lot of work went into this. Even so, I think I
would have cropped out the table and copper and concentrated on the
grapefruit and grapefruit splat. Really neat shot, though (pun
intended).

Ed_Rothberg-EgretThis: This is an uncommon/unique shot. the trouble
is I either want more motion blur (to portray motion) or less
motion blur (to make it look less like a blurry shot). Kinda
demanding, eh?

Filski-SurfsUp: I think you're just trying to make us frozen
Canadians jealous. Good stop-action, nicely composed shot. I'd lose
the second surfer's arm with a crop, though.

FiveBraids-ChillySurfer: Neat composition. I'm a big fan of putting
the subject off in the corner (really!). The kids at the bottom are
distracting though - I'd say crop them out.

Frank_Vigil-CityChaos: Lively, colorful scene. I can almost hear
the honking traffic. Even though the title has "chaos" in it, my
eye needs to be drawn somewhere for this to grab me. Close, though
Frank (did the guy carrying the coffee on the lower right get his
toes squished by the cab?).

George_Tech-Machining: I see a whirling machine with bits of metal
flying about. Looks like a good opportunity for a motion shot. I
think I'd have concentrated more on a close up of the flying metal
(perhaps with a longer exposure time to emphasize the motion).

Ginko-HomeFast: Nifty surrealistic image. A lesson in how to turn a
mundane commute into an interesting photo composition. Nicely done.

Grumpy168-ClockMovement: Nicely depicted motion. Chrome & brass
with a black background - looks good. I'd be tempted to crop out
the reflections on the bottom (1/6th), though.

Hank_Marquardt-FlyingDolphins: Incredible shot! The subject is a
little too dark, though. Don't be afraid to sacrifice some
highlight in trade for detail on your main subject whether
in-camera or in post-processing.

....... Please see Part 2 for more ...


Mark Schretlen
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Jim,

The trick was to let the shutter open long enough in dim light and
to ue the multi-flash feature of my Sunpak 5000. In my submitted
entry, the flash fired 3 times at 90Hz. The coin is thus frozen in
3 different positions 1/90s apart in time. The difficult part was
to get a good framing and a nice layout of the 3 coin positions.
I've also tried 5 consecutive flashes, but I decided at the end
that 3 was giving the best results.

Cheers,

AB.
--LOL I really have to get an external flash now. This is some very very cool stuff, and there's no way I can duplicate it with the camera and native flash. Something to work on I suppose.
God Bless,
Jim
CP995, CP800
http://www.pbase.com/jrj02
 
Thanks Michael,

The second I saw your image, I knew you had used the multi-flash feature. Nice shot you too. Yours was tough to get because you only had 1 chance. Well done.

AB.
 
Thank you Mark, I really enjoy reading your comments regarding the entrants in our challenges. I agree, I'd like to have gotten this one with a pan to blur the background to. That particular art however I haven't tried alot, still working on it. As for an excuse though, it was close to dark when I got this, shoot I could hardly see the monitor! But you know I'll keep playing around with this stuff lol.
God bless,
Jim
CP800 CP995
http://www.pbase.com/jrj02
Jim-ZoomZoom: No question about motion here. My choice would have
been to pan and try to "stop" the truck and have the background
imply motion.
 

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