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As an Olympus DSLR owner, I say congratulations to Canon. It's nice to know that Canon isn't just thinking small is better. Some of us like these larger cameras.
 
Digirame said:
As an Olympus DSLR owner, I say congratulations to Canon. It's nice to know that Canon isn't just thinking small is better. Some of us like these larger cameras.
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Canon is only selling this many cameras because people go by name recognition, based on where Canons WERE several years ago. Canon's Rebels (which constitute most of their DSLR sales) are inferior in many ways to similarly-priced DSLRs from other manufacturers. In fact, their high-end cameras are inferior in some ways to low-end ones from other manufacturers (low ISO noise/DR, banding noise, and auto-ISO flexibility).

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John

 
Canon is selling more cameras because they make a good product, if they did not, in the end they would go out of business just like any other company. A good name
will only last for so long.
John Sheehy said:
Digirame said:
As an Olympus DSLR owner, I say congratulations to Canon. It's nice to know that Canon isn't just thinking small is better. Some of us like these larger cameras.
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Canon is only selling this many cameras because people go by name recognition, based on where Canons WERE several years ago. Canon's Rebels (which constitute most of their DSLR sales) are inferior in many ways to similarly-priced DSLRs from other manufacturers. In fact, their high-end cameras are inferior in some ways to low-end ones from other manufacturers (low ISO noise/DR, banding noise, and auto-ISO flexibility).

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John

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Tom
When my bones turn to dust,
and if my CD's didn't rust,
future generations will see my photos
and think that I was nuts.
 
Where I live, Canon and Nikon gear are very popular in the Portland, Oregon area. But I chose Olympus almost four years ago. I very much enjoy these Olympus DSLR cameras that I use with the standard and kit lenses, even though they are "old" technology. I take about 15K photos each year with them, now with three at a time with attached lenses. The image quality is excellent and the pictures are sharp.

Saying that, I'm impressed about the review that Dpreview gave for the Canon Rebel T3i / EOS 600D. Yes, you are right...sales and marketing are an important part of this business, but they still seem to produce quality products to match their advertising. I don't know everything about Canon cameras and lenses, but just enough to say that I'm impressed. Canon must be doing something right, if they are expanding like that. What brought you to say, when you wrote "high-end cameras are inferior in some ways to low-end ones"? Do you have specific examples? I'm one of those that like to discuss, not argue, so I'm open to other people's opinions or information that they have. I'm also open to other brands, even though I'm an Olympus shooter...having multiple brands is always an option for me too. So, it's a matter of watching and listening. :)
 
justmeMN said:
Jul 3, 2011

"Canon Inc. (7751) will build a new factory and expand another in Taiwan to make more cameras with interchangeable lenses, the fastest growing segment of digital- imaging devices."

"Canon forecasts sales of about 7 million single-lens reflex cameras this year, compared with sales of 5.9 million last year"
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I think this information is wrong. Canon's own forecasts for the past couple of years has been for 4.4 million SLR cameras with essentially flat growth. So I'm not sure where those figures are coming from. There was a report also about Canon increasing SLR productioin to 10 million a year which from the 4.4 million figure seems way out of line unless they are going to introduce a very new hot new product classified as an SLR to increase sales a lot like an EVIL camera.
justmeMN said:
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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-07-04/canon-to-invest-10-billion-yen-in-taiwan-to-make-more-digital-slr-cameras.html
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RedFox88 said:
I think this information is wrong. Canon's own forecasts for the past couple of years has been for 4.4 million SLR cameras with essentially flat growth. So I'm not sure where those figures are coming from.
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The 7 mln SLR figure is coming directly from Canon as that's their forecast for 2011. The 4.4 mln units you quoted was their actual shipments in 2009. In 2010 their SLR volume jumped 34% to 5.9 mln and is forecast to be up 19% this year.

Compact camera sales however are forecast to decline 5% this year.

The company is back to pre-earthquake production in SLR's which is good to hear!
 
I'm surprised, everyone I know around here (except me) with an SLR shoots Nikon. Well, there is that one guy with a Pentax.

That said, I have seen a fair amount of SLR's, I almost wonder if they're being used to their ability or are just the new "conspicuous consumption" item.
 
Digirame said:
Saying that, I'm impressed about the review that Dpreview gave for the Canon Rebel T3i / EOS 600D. Yes, you are right...sales and marketing are an important part of this business, but they still seem to produce quality products to match their advertising. I don't know everything about Canon cameras and lenses, but just enough to say that I'm impressed. Canon must be doing something right, if they are expanding like that. What brought you to say, when you wrote "high-end cameras are inferior in some ways to low-end ones"? Do you have specific examples?
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Canon's DSLRs have artifacts such that any exposure that isn't strong for the ISO, especially low ISOs, have stripes or burlap patterns in them, both thin and thick. The thick ones survive downsizing or small image display sizes very well. There are three factors which, besides one's own "under-exposure" cause the camera to under-expose under the hood, increasing the risk of you encountering these artifacts. One is "Highlight Tone Priority", which under-exposes an image by a stop. Then, the 125/250/500 series of ISOs under-expose another 1/3 stop. Then, fast lenses wide open cause up to another 2/3 stop or more - combined, these things can very easily bring out the ugly artifacts in the shadows. Take a camera like the Nikon D5100, which costs about US$775, as cheap as a rebel, and has a noise floor 2.5 stops lower than a Rebel. Rebels aren't the worst Canons for low-ISO shadow artifacts, though; the 5Dmk2, 7D, and 1Dmk4 are the worst at that, of recent Canons. With my US$2700 5Dmk2, if I expose at ISO 100 so that a white building in the sun just barely avoids blowing out, the shady side of the street is unusable, with big colored lines running through that part of the image. With a D5100, at about 30% the price, these shadows would be totally usable.

Canon's auto-ISO is horrendous. My 5Dmk2 doesn't even have it in manual mode; in none of my Canon DSLRs does flash work in auto-ISO; as soon as you turn the flash on, the camera fixes at ISO 400, and I get black images with specular highlights from the flash. You can't tell the camera a minimum shutter speed to use, or limit the aperture in any way, when those parameters are floating (automatic).

Now understand why I feel enraged that the public is not aware of these things, and avoiding Canon products. As long as Canon continues to sell on the momentum of name recognition, the longer it will take before they feel compelled to provide clean shadows at low ISOs, and basic, properly functioning auto-ISO.

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John

 
Arkanor said:
I'm surprised, everyone I know around here (except me) with an SLR shoots Nikon. Well, there is that one guy with a Pentax.
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In my local travels in the NYC area, I see about 2/3 Canon and 1/3 Nikon amongst wildlife photographers, and the opposite for tourists and street-shooters, though I do see a little more variety there, with some Pentaxes, Olympuses, and Sonys in the mix as well (only talking about DSLRs).

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John

 
justmeMN said:
Apr 15, 2011

"In the market for cameras with interchangeable lens, or single lens reflex cameras, Canon controlled 44.5 percent of the market, followed by Nikon with 29.8 percent and Sony with 11.9 percent, according to the data."
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That sounds like for 2010 sales not overall usage by people because not everyone buys a new camera every year putting down or throwing out their old one. My dSLR is 5 years old with no plans to replace it.
 
Thanks for the details. Once I remember reading about someone that had one of those expensive Canon models, and was happy to sell it and get a less expensive Olympus DSLR camera and lens system (or something like that). I couldn't understand why. There can be some inconsistency as far as producing quality products from some of these manufacturers. Thanks for the information. We must remember to not purchase something on the basis of name only and know that reading each review is so important, as some models could be good and others not.
 
John Sheehy said:
Canon's DSLRs have artifacts such that any exposure that isn't strong for the ISO, especially low ISOs, have stripes or burlap patterns in them, both thin and thick. [snip]
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I know this is reported in higher-end cameras e.g. the 5D Mark II but I've never seen it in my T1i (500D), which is a lot closer to the spec of the kind of cameras making up the bulk of Canon's sales. In any case, the 5Dmk2 banding doesn't seem to be an issue for at least some of the newer cameras.
John Sheehy said:
Canon's auto-ISO is horrendous. My 5Dmk2 doesn't even [snip]
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Aside from demonstrating for us the dangers of generalizing from a sample size of one [one camera], I have to agree that auto-ISO isn't really great, but our cameras are old. I hope they do better in the future.
John Sheehy said:
Now understand why I feel enraged that the public is not aware of these things, and avoiding Canon products. As long as Canon continues to sell on the momentum of name recognition, the longer it will take before they feel compelled to provide clean shadows at low ISOs, and basic, properly functioning auto-ISO.
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In the meantime, I think it's more productive to use Canon's unique lens lineup to make pictures that simply can't be done (either at all, or as easily) on other cameras or other formats, while we wait on that 100% pixel-peeping friendly spec. The TS-E line is a really compelling argument against leaving Canon for me.
 
Ed Herdman said:
I know this is reported in higher-end cameras e.g. the 5D Mark II but I've never seen it in my T1i (500D), which is a lot closer to the spec of the kind of cameras making up the bulk of Canon's sales. In any case, the 5Dmk2 banding doesn't seem to be an issue for at least some of the newer cameras.
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I've seen it in about every camera since. Only the amount varies a bit.

550D, base ISO, lifted the deepest shadows to reveal vertical banding, otherwise default conversion.
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These numbers don’t surprise me. We just got back from a short vacation to the Tetons and Yellowstone areas and everyone had some kind of DSLR. As we walked around the grounds of the Old Faithfull Inn waiting for the next eruption of Old Faithfull, I must have seen a 1000 DSLRs, mostly Canons and Nikons. What recession? If it wasn’t for the tsunami, I think these numbers would have been much higher because the prices would have been much lower.
 
RedFox88 said:
justmeMN said:
Jul 3, 2011

"Canon Inc. (7751) will build a new factory and expand another in Taiwan to make more cameras with interchangeable lenses, the fastest growing segment of digital- imaging devices."

"Canon forecasts sales of about 7 million single-lens reflex cameras this year, compared with sales of 5.9 million last year"
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I think this information is wrong. Canon's own forecasts for the past couple of years has been for 4.4 million SLR cameras with essentially flat growth. So I'm not sure where those figures are coming from.
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They come from the Canon business plan. There is a little asterisk by the 7M figure, when you go to the footnote, it says that 'SLR units' includes all sales derived from SLR's, including lenses and accessories. The 7M figure means 4M cameras and 3M lenses, flashes and battery grips. If that seems not enough lenses, remember that in most of the low end sales a boxed 'unit' is camera plus kit lens, so the 3M extra is standalone lens sales.
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Bob
 
Arkanor said:
I'm surprised, everyone I know around here (except me) with an SLR shoots Nikon. Well, there is that one guy with a Pentax.

That said, I have seen a fair amount of SLR's, I almost wonder if they're being used to their ability or are just the new "conspicuous consumption" item.
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And where might "here" be?

The world is quite a large place you know with several billion inhabitants.
 
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