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So the new NX cameras are about to be revealed. Will we fare any better than the other system camera users? I follow some of the threads at m4/3 and Sony and it seems their dreams are often not for filled.

Many photo geeks generally want a camera with classic styling, fast focus, high IQ, low Noise and perfectly place buttons and dials giving quick access to all the important functions (no sorting through menus).

Then you look at the camera that actually surfaces and see the disappointment evident in all the posts. It is clear that geeks are not the target audience. You get less direct controls, funky styling, lots of filters which may get used once or twice before they become boring and sometimes even ‘intelligent functions’ which override what you’re actually trying to do. It’s the same with operating systems and software. It’s the ‘lowest common denominator’ design theory.

So who’s up for a bet, will we be happy or disappointed?

Personally I’m hoping for one thing but expecting another!

Yours Mr Pessimistic
 
Well, I'm hoping they don't change much at all in the NX20 other than the sensor and a higher resolution evf and screen. The existing sensor is fine for me but an updated one is certainly necessary to meet the competition. If the sensor's high iso performance and dynamic range is comparable with the Sony sensors in the Pentax K-5 and Nikon D7000, the NX20 and NX200 should sell like hot cakes.
 
My sentiments exactly. I have absolutely no knowlege at all about the inner workings of Samsung so this is just a guess, but I have the impression there may be two forces operating at Samsung Imaging, with conflict or at least or at least lack of connection between them. The first is the real camera people who have managed to design and deliver some very decent kit. The second is the marketing section which issues some disappointingly silly nonsense. Example the yet to be released 60mm f2.8 Macro which from the photos and specs at B&H appears it could be a high grade optic. It has OIS, SSA, FTM and internal focussing. It would appear someone at Samsung is making a serious attempt to deliver high quality photo gear to the discerning enthusiast photographer. But the promotional blurb which accompanies the listing contains a disturbing amount of verbal waffle which conveys no meaning to me. Check out "Perfect Pictures at your fingertips" on the B&H listing for the lens. For instance " ...i-Setting optimises all the settings for the perfect shot...etc"
We shall see.
 
I’m hoping for an NX sharing the some design qualities on the Ex1. Now that is my dream camera with large sensor and inter changeable lens. Debit card ready Samsung.
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NX200 with EX1 design and EVF integrated would be a BOMB... But I think Samsung could continues with the same NX100 lines...

I just hope if Samsung wants fight in the miniaturization field, they have another model than NX200 and not the only one.
 
I predict some love, some wailing and gnashing of teeth, an influx of nay sayers from other brands fanboys, and a urinating competition from the folk who love to spoil anyones forum with argument over tecnical minutiae.

In the middle there will be an imperfect camera that can't do everything that every individual wishes, but is solid and actually takes excellent pictures (if that is what you actually use cameras for! ). :)
 
I hope they never go down the road that Fuji are going. That is expensive, high quality and built in obsolescence. I want it cheap and disposeable. If they last a year without breaking down I consider that good value. Then, any improvements in sensors and controls that come along each year I can buy into. I'm afraid the old days when Leicas and Nikons would last for 20 years and still do everything you need are long gone. We are all on the digital escalator where we can jump on and off when we like and take advantage of all the rapid (and cheap) advancements as and when they come along.
 
i beg to differ: There must be a middle line where common sense meets profit, without filling my household and the trash cans with 'disposable' cameras, PCs, mobiles, cars. Actually the NX100 seems such middle of the road product... hopefully its successor won't stray too far... an incremental upgrade for the sensor (noise and DR) and JPG processing engine. The rest in firmware...
chainmale said:
I hope they never go down the road that Fuji are going. That is expensive, high quality and built in obsolescence. I want it cheap and disposeable. If they last a year without breaking down I consider that good value. Then, any improvements in sensors and controls that come along each year I can buy into. I'm afraid the old days when Leicas and Nikons would last for 20 years and still do everything you need are long gone. We are all on the digital escalator where we can jump on and off when we like and take advantage of all the rapid (and cheap) advancements as and when they come along.
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I don't throw working electronics away. E-Bay is a fantastic place to recycle these items. It is a great way for the less well off to have these things tha they couldn't afford when new.
 
Hi,

So far, the NX10 line looks just right as a photographer's tool: nice form factor, straightforward handling with direct access to most important things, just give it a back-wheel for faster handling and a better EVF and voilà, my dream camera!

So I am betting I'll be happy with the NX20.

Also I am very curious to see what kind of styling they will choose for the higher class NXs, hopefully they won't make it look like an overgrown smart-phone.

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FF= 24mm x 36mm full frame sensor.

AE1=Canon Old Camera with FD Mount; AE1 Digital=changing lens digital camera with old canon FD mount full compatible with with old Canon Lens & Nikon Lens which use a $15.00 Nikon to FD adapter. This camera can use 80% of lens 1960 to 1980 era.
AE1 digital only made by someone still not in the market from google found.

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I think the NX200 will have reduced exterior control and maybe a touchscreen, ala the progression of GF1, GF2 and GF3. In fact, if some of the 'spy' prototype photos I've seen are right, it'll look a LOT like a GF3. I'm hoping not, but the worth of the device won't be totally ruined if it's simplified a bit.

The most important things they need to keep are, IMO:
  • Two wheels. Dial and top. It's the twin wheels that make the NX100 so expedient and easy to adjust, almost like a DSLR only with fast Live View.
  • Compact but ergonomic shape. The current model is almost perfect in terms of that, although a bit smaller and more stylish would be nice.
The most important things they need to add are, IMO:
  • New D7000-class sensor, 18MP.
  • New processor/image engine with faster write times and better JPEG processing.
  • Popup flash for the NX200
  • Maybe some new gimmick like the NEX style focus meter, although I like the one we have better than the 2x zoom. Oh, and more than 2x focus assist zoom. ;)
Things that would be nice but I'm not betting on:
  • Partially metal casing with nice retro styling ala PEN.
  • Higher resolution AMOLED with tilt or flip-out swivel.
  • Better build, higher quality components like a GF series.
 
I wasn't going to buy a new Samsung camera this year. As a Foveon fan, I thought about the new Sigma SD1 instead. Of course, now I am not buying it at that ridiculous price of $7K, and it's out of my shopping list for a couple of years or forever, who knows...

Now I am mostly interested in the upcoming Sony 24 MP(?) SLT camera. 24MP Bayer sensor is theoretically an equivalent of 6MP Foveon and practically 12MP Foveon, which is more than enough for me. I want high megapixel count, good ISO 3200 and usable 6400, fast autofocus, excellent EVF and flip-out screen. If the new NX can deliver all that I'll buy it, why not... But I think Sony will do better. It will have at least one big advantage over Samsung – built-in image stabilizer.

Recently, I tried some legacy medium format lenses on my NX10 and was very pleased with the image quality. Now if I only could add IS to them!

Anyway, the new Sony won't hit the stores for another half a year or so, at least here in Canada. In the meantime, i will use my good old NX10 :)
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hpchan said:
FF= 24mm x 36mm full frame sensor.

AE1=Canon Old Camera with FD Mount; AE1 Digital=changing lens digital camera with old canon FD mount full compatible with with old Canon Lens & Nikon Lens which use a $15.00 Nikon to FD adapter. This camera can use 80% of lens 1960 to 1980 era.
AE1 digital only made by someone still not in the market from google found.

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hpchan
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OK, now as much as I liked my trusty old AE-1 (my first camera...), I still don't understand what you are talking about, sorry.

Are you saying that you read somewhere than the next NX camera would be a FF-sensored, FD-mount camera?

If so, what would be the purpose of such camera?

The NX cameras are already compatible (via adapters) with allmost all old MF lenses but this has no appeal to Samsung since they would vastly prefer to sell new Samsung lenses wouldn't they?

I see next to 0% chance of that happening but i could be misinterpreting your thoughts.

Thanks for taking the time to explain though, it's appreciated.

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alex_virt said:
Now I am mostly interested in the upcoming Sony 24 MP(?) SLT camera. 24MP Bayer sensor is theoretically an equivalent of 6MP Foveon and practically 12MP Foveon, which is more than enough for me. I want high megapixel count, good ISO 3200 and usable 6400, fast autofocus, excellent EVF and flip-out screen. If the new NX can deliver all that I'll buy it, why not... But I think Sony will do better. It will have at least one big advantage over Samsung – built-in image stabilizer.
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SLT loses an indeterminate amount of light and detail to that pellicle mirror. Unless they've managed to get that down to a marginal amount and are willing to actually prove it with tests/data, I'm not that interested.

It's too bad, because I think the 580 is a one of the best DSLRs in many ways and the processing, sensor and crazy all-direction swivel OLED look great on the 77.
 
sensibill said:
SLT loses an indeterminate amount of light and detail to that pellicle mirror. Unless they've managed to get that down to a marginal amount and are willing to actually prove it with tests/data, I'm not that interested.
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I think it is marginal and can be a problem only in very low light or when shooting bright objects on a very dark background (ghosting). I wish Sony implement a mirror lock-up mode, but it probably won't happen. They want to simplify mechanical design to keep cost advantage over DSLRs.

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