Kung Pao Panda
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It has been rumoured on another online Leica forum that a new X2 to compete with the Fuji X100 will be released soon.
Anyone know the specs, and when?
Anyone know the specs, and when?
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jmteno76
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Leica Rumors has an item about new camera (EVIL) that will fill the gap between X1 and M9. Unfortunately, you have to wait to 2012.
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Kung Pao Panda
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Thanks. 2012 is a long way off for me.
Do you think the X1 is still competitive IQ wise with the Fuji X100?
Mainly interested in a small and light P&S with high IQ for travel.
Regards.
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Do you think the X1 is still competitive IQ wise with the Fuji X100?
Mainly interested in a small and light P&S with high IQ for travel.
Regards.
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Like others here, I suffer from chronic GAS.
Gear Acquisition Syndrome.
a few hundred nautical miles SW : 17º 52S, 149º 56W
jmteno76
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Sorry, I don't know about the Fuji - ck out Steve Huff's review. However, the X1 is the camera that goes with me on business travel and vacations - I have not been disappointed in its IQ, but there are sometime when you want a telephoto. For me, It is great tool to have. I have a D700 which is relegated to sports and weddings for now. The LX3 will stay with me for sentimental reasons, but I never use it these days. Love the M9, but the size and weight of the X1 makes it the camera that travels with me on business travel.
I am sure others can give you more informed opinion.
For me, the X1 is great camera that I take always with me. The IQ is great and I can live with the autofocus, etc for my photography.
Best,
Joan
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I am sure others can give you more informed opinion.
For me, the X1 is great camera that I take always with me. The IQ is great and I can live with the autofocus, etc for my photography.
Best,
Joan
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Fazal Majid
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I have both. The X1's lens is slightly sharper, the X100 has at least one stop better high-ISO performance, and of course 1 stop faster lens. The UI on the X1 is better, but the X100 has the viewfinder. The X100 is bulkier than the X1. The X100 does video.
I'd say IQ wise the X1 more than holds its own, but the X100 is a more versatile camera.
If you can tolerate the increased bulk of the X100, go for it, otherwise the X1 is a worthy alternative. Either will blow away any m43 compact camera out of the water, the only large-sensor compact that can compete is the Sony NEX series, but their pancake lenses are only available in the too-wide 24mm-e focal length.
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Russell Dawkins
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I have to say I don't see what all the excitement is about with the Fuji X100. Yes, it is well made and its got a great viewfinder and the lens looks great and the images are sharp - but to me it has the same shortcoming I see in every digital camera other than Leica and Sigma (and Pentax, less often) - the images are dynamically flat. I feel little when I look at them.
I don't think the Fuji X100 and the Leica X1 are on the same playing field at all.
I don't think the Fuji X100 and the Leica X1 are on the same playing field at all.
I can guarantee that if you a. weren't so brand loyal and b. saw exif-stripped pics side by side from many brands, you wouldn't be able to tell the Leica. It's not hocus-pocus, especially in this class, you know. And mind you, you're talking about Sigma and many people have commented there about how utterly unremarkable the pictures they post there are.
Michael S.
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As a former X1 owner and now X100 owner I would second what
you did write in response.
For me the main reason (for the X100 in favor) has been the viewfinder
and the even better high-iso performance.
And the 35mm equivalent of the X100 is perfect in addition to my M9 with the
"old" Noctilux on it - for weddings, events, holidays - all fits in one small bag.
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you did write in response.
For me the main reason (for the X100 in favor) has been the viewfinder
and the even better high-iso performance.
And the 35mm equivalent of the X100 is perfect in addition to my M9 with the
"old" Noctilux on it - for weddings, events, holidays - all fits in one small bag.
kind regards,
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Michael S.
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Greetings!
I did not buy it - but as far as I do know of people who are using it with the X1 - it's just a "guessing" too what you are actually framing - so you don't get a green lighted frame showing where and what you are trying to frame - it's more kind of support for bad lighting conditions where you want to shoot.
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Kung Pao Panda
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Hello Fazel,
Thank you for your thoughtful reply.
I have read so much about the "Leica look/Leica glow" in photos taken with the Leica lenses. What is the Leica look/Leica glow? Does the images taken with the X1 have that?
The X100 seems better built than the X1 that I handed at the camera shop.
Just out of curiousity, since both cameras are so small, do you usually carry both the X1 and X100 with you when you're out shooting or to take on holiday to take advantage of both cameras strengths?
For your shooting preference, do you usually shoot static pictures (scenics, buildings, inside ie. museums, places of worship by available light, or candid street photography (people interacting in daily street life)?
Is the quickness to AF and lack of shutter lag comparable on both the X1 and X100?
Thank you.
Thank you for your thoughtful reply.
I have read so much about the "Leica look/Leica glow" in photos taken with the Leica lenses. What is the Leica look/Leica glow? Does the images taken with the X1 have that?
The X100 seems better built than the X1 that I handed at the camera shop.
Just out of curiousity, since both cameras are so small, do you usually carry both the X1 and X100 with you when you're out shooting or to take on holiday to take advantage of both cameras strengths?
For your shooting preference, do you usually shoot static pictures (scenics, buildings, inside ie. museums, places of worship by available light, or candid street photography (people interacting in daily street life)?
Is the quickness to AF and lack of shutter lag comparable on both the X1 and X100?
Thank you.
Kung Pao Panda
Veteran Member
Hi Russell,
Thanks for your reply. Are you talking about the legendary "Leica look", or "Leica glow" that can't be duplicated by other digital cameras? Is that what makes Leica lenses so exceptional in how it makes the images look?
Can you elaborate further. Do you mean the images look more three dimensional in print?
Trying to understand, before I put down my credit card on either the X1 or X100.
Regards.
Like others here, I suffer from chronic GAS.
Gear Acquisition Syndrome.
a few hundred nautical miles SW : 17º 52S, 149º 56W
Thanks for your reply. Are you talking about the legendary "Leica look", or "Leica glow" that can't be duplicated by other digital cameras? Is that what makes Leica lenses so exceptional in how it makes the images look?
Can you elaborate further. Do you mean the images look more three dimensional in print?
Trying to understand, before I put down my credit card on either the X1 or X100.
Regards.
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Like others here, I suffer from chronic GAS.
Gear Acquisition Syndrome.
a few hundred nautical miles SW : 17º 52S, 149º 56W
Fazal Majid
Veteran Member
It used to be more pronounced before the current generation of computer-designed lenses. Back then Leica designed its optics to be sharp, yet mellow. When combined with the characteristics of film, specially black and white, there was a distinctive rendering to Leicas. Digital and aspheric lenses have largely made this a thing of the past.
Not really, no. Then again, neither does my M9 with a 50mm Summilux ASPH, whereas my old M6/MP with a 50mm Summicron did in spades.
It's heavier, but I don't think it is more solidly built. People who gush about the X100's build quality are people who come from plastic fantastic digital point-and-shoots, and have never held a proper film Leica or a tank like the Nikon F3.
I only got the X100 about a month ago, and got a jacket with larger pockets
. I haven't used the X1 since, the two cameras are largely redundant, and I am still pondering what I should do with the X1.Mostly people shots in available light (e.g. weddings) and landscape photography (where frankly any camera will do well), but seldom street photography.
I'd say they are similar. Neither is as fast as my old GF1. They are both suitable for my needs, mostly, but if you shoot action scenes or children, you may find the AF limiting.
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Kung Pao Panda
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Hi Fazal,
Thanks for answering my many (and basic) questions. A difficult choice since I can only afford one camera.
Regards,
Lee
Like others here, I suffer from chronic GAS.
Gear Acquisition Syndrome.
a few hundred nautical miles SW : 17º 52S, 149º 56W
Thanks for answering my many (and basic) questions. A difficult choice since I can only afford one camera.
Regards,
Lee
--It used to be more pronounced before the current generation of computer-designed lenses. Back then Leica designed its optics to be sharp, yet mellow. When combined with the characteristics of film, specially black and white, there was a distinctive rendering to Leicas. Digital and aspheric lenses have largely made this a thing of the past.
Not really, no. Then again, neither does my M9 with a 50mm Summilux ASPH, whereas my old M6/MP with a 50mm Summicron did in spades.
It's heavier, but I don't think it is more solidly built. People who gush about the X100's build quality are people who come from plastic fantastic digital point-and-shoots, and have never held a proper film Leica or a tank like the Nikon F3.
I only got the X100 about a month ago, and got a jacket with larger pockets
Mostly people shots in available light (e.g. weddings) and landscape photography (where frankly any camera will do well), but seldom street photography.
I'd say they are similar. Neither is as fast as my old GF1. They are both suitable for my needs, mostly, but if you shoot action scenes or children, you may find the AF limiting.
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Fazal Majid ( http://www.majid.info )
Like others here, I suffer from chronic GAS.
Gear Acquisition Syndrome.
a few hundred nautical miles SW : 17º 52S, 149º 56W
Russell Dawkins
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I must state at the outset that I am a rank amateur at this, and suspect that the "Leica glow" refers to what Fazal is describing in his post and is attributable to the lens.
I had my camera stolen recently (a Fuji F31fd) and had been investigating the cheaper end of the spectrum - the D-Lux 4 and 5 compared to similarly priced alternatives - and started to notice that after immersing myself in Leica images, even from the D-Lux 4, that even the images from the Fuji x100 immediately looked just flat to me. Since I plan (heresy, I know) to work mainly with the JPEG output, not having the time to fiddle much with RAW images, the in-camera processing is important to me. I make no bones about looking for what amounts to a high quality point and shoot for most of my images, with the potential to shoot RAW for something more special.
A series of comparison images that shows the effect I am seeing, which I imagine to be the result of exposure, contrast and saturation choices made in-camera can be found here: http://ianho.blogspot.com/2008/11/panasonic-lx3-vs-leica-d-lux-4.html
Look at the shot with the grapes and compare the grapes for a clue.
The difference to me is such that I am buying a very used D-Lux 4 over a Sony NEX5 with the zoom lens that I could get for the same price. The images from this camera are unquestionably sharper, as are those from the Fuji X100, but look just as un-involving as those from the Fuji.
I am a professional sound recordist and had to make a similar difficult decision regarding microphones when I decided to go the route of ribbon main mics when most condenser microphones produced less hiss in the final recording. In this case there is some sort of parallel between hiss and resolution. I chose the hissy alternative because the fundamental tonality was so true that I deemed it worth the hiss. I have never regretted that decision made 25 years ago, either.
Russell
I had my camera stolen recently (a Fuji F31fd) and had been investigating the cheaper end of the spectrum - the D-Lux 4 and 5 compared to similarly priced alternatives - and started to notice that after immersing myself in Leica images, even from the D-Lux 4, that even the images from the Fuji x100 immediately looked just flat to me. Since I plan (heresy, I know) to work mainly with the JPEG output, not having the time to fiddle much with RAW images, the in-camera processing is important to me. I make no bones about looking for what amounts to a high quality point and shoot for most of my images, with the potential to shoot RAW for something more special.
A series of comparison images that shows the effect I am seeing, which I imagine to be the result of exposure, contrast and saturation choices made in-camera can be found here: http://ianho.blogspot.com/2008/11/panasonic-lx3-vs-leica-d-lux-4.html
Look at the shot with the grapes and compare the grapes for a clue.
The difference to me is such that I am buying a very used D-Lux 4 over a Sony NEX5 with the zoom lens that I could get for the same price. The images from this camera are unquestionably sharper, as are those from the Fuji X100, but look just as un-involving as those from the Fuji.
I am a professional sound recordist and had to make a similar difficult decision regarding microphones when I decided to go the route of ribbon main mics when most condenser microphones produced less hiss in the final recording. In this case there is some sort of parallel between hiss and resolution. I chose the hissy alternative because the fundamental tonality was so true that I deemed it worth the hiss. I have never regretted that decision made 25 years ago, either.
Russell
HansID
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ery FUNNY, Leica in pursuit of FUJI, YEAH..... things can change very quickly...
David Gore
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I totally agree..hence I sold the X100
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David Gore
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It's excellent but like most Leica stuff the viewfinder is way overpriced.
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Kung Pao Panda
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Greetings David,
I seem to recall in another thread, that you purchased the Fuji X100 about a month ago and decided to keep the Leica X1 because you could not sell it at a fair price.
What made you get rid of the Fuji X100 so fast? Did it not meet your expectations in IQ, AF, or handling ? Other reasons?
Still trying to decide on either the Leica X1 or Fuji X100. The Fuji X100 seems more feature rich with EVF/OVF/faster AF, and ability to shoot video.
Interested in hearing your assessment.
Regards.
Like others here, I suffer from chronic GAS.
Gear Acquisition Syndrome.
a few hundred nautical miles SW : 17º 52S, 149º 56W
I seem to recall in another thread, that you purchased the Fuji X100 about a month ago and decided to keep the Leica X1 because you could not sell it at a fair price.
What made you get rid of the Fuji X100 so fast? Did it not meet your expectations in IQ, AF, or handling ? Other reasons?
Still trying to decide on either the Leica X1 or Fuji X100. The Fuji X100 seems more feature rich with EVF/OVF/faster AF, and ability to shoot video.
Interested in hearing your assessment.
Regards.
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Like others here, I suffer from chronic GAS.
Gear Acquisition Syndrome.
a few hundred nautical miles SW : 17º 52S, 149º 56W
intruder61
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the specs are irrelevant.
2 totally different cameras, simply price wise.
i can confidently say that if the leica X1 was priced as the Fuji X100, Leica would not be able to keep up with the orders.
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