Why are D7000 owners so defensive?

RayTZ said:

Like Dave, Peter Pans, Pic Noob, and Caseykittykat who have a lot to say on each and every D7000 thread here.

Imagine they owned or even tried one of these cameras to form their opinions instead of spouting self indignant and self indulgent opinions which they gleaned from the forum. Then claiming to support the underdog or to be tired of fanboys beating down on genuine advice seekers.

Imagine a new D7000 user, like myself, so put off by the constant battering D7000 threads receive that we become defensive enough to inspire the OP to start this worthless thread.

Imagine this forum actually reverting to useful source of information it once was.

Imagine some of you actually listening to what Ray Soares or Steve Bingham or some forum denizens who post fantastic work... hold on a sec, that would never happen, you are TOO LOUD.

I try, I really do, to ignore this drivel but it's like driving past a train wreck in slow motion, you really should close your eyes. You should but you can't.

Flako said:

Dave,

Imaginary owners = They don't own a D7000

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I think you left me out!!

Look, I am into other hobbies, what somebody says about my item whatever it may, don't mean dillysquat, unless it was TRUE!! So, if Dave and the rest are just running off at the mouth, don't know what they are talking about, what is it to you? That doesn't make the camera (D7000), no more or no less than what it is.

If you happy with yours, great, maybe those that have sent theirs back might have a say in this.

Bottom line, we all can talk, that is what this forum is about. In case you didn't know, most 5100 owners have interest in the D7000! Why? Because it is the NEXT STEP UP. That is why NON-D7000 owners chim in on these discussion. I for one am GLAD that the faults were laid out in the open, if not, I might have wound up with a D7000 with faults. Being a newbie, that would put me up the creek without a paddle.

Next time, please include me in with the others.. I be proud to be lined up along with them...
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Clayton1985 said:

Re: Why are D7000 owners so defensive?

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You ask a question to which you supply the answer by immediately attacking them.

That really funny ... good one

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We could call it the DSLR Issues Forum. Only people who are having issues with their DSLRs, regardless of the maker, can go to this forum and complain, argue, discuss work-arounds, etc, free from the comments of so called fanboys and fangirls who have no issues with their cameras. Meanwhile, those who have no issues and are happy with their cameras don't have to read about issues and complaints that they aren't experiencing. This, I assume, will lead to harmony and world peace.

Actually it would be nice to read about photography techniques and photo processing and constructive coments instead of worstless garbage like this: "I returned 3 cameras and 5 lenses already and none was good. It is camera issue. What I need to do now."

It would work if DPreview add button next to the post. Good/bad/neutral/post rating.

At some number ie. 30 or 50 bad rating post would be rejected. Then 5 rejected posts would reject the poster's ID automaticaly.

That would stimulate posts to be of better quality, and will weed out anoying posts, and aggressive responses as well.

Clayton1985 said:

Why are D7000 owners so defensive?

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Humans can NOT be classified with different behavior just for the mere fact of using x Brand of anything.

Agree?

just to add to the above :

the weight talk is a clear example of most of the useless problems
(this is not only about the d7000 but in general)

If your MAIN issue is the weight (absolutely respectable)

then the 1st thing you should look at is the weight, before in the info sheets and later by your own hand

if you get informed, you wont even check at the d7000 (or another product) but go direct to what fits your needs, not having touched-seen the heavy product you will not even complain about it, but spend purple words on your brand new camera (5100 or whatever)

BUT, if you buy not knowing or not testing then you might be disappointed and you will have to change (if u can) the product, going into all the stress of the case

and you will have anger inside to open a dozen of 'anti' threads (i do not mean YOU, but how some people work)

this (weight) is NOT even a problem, but is a personal need masked as a problem (a why not to buy)

it's just your need WHICH doesnt make the camera better or not.

in many cases is it the Product to complain to or the buyer not informed (many ask the workers in the shops, but they have to sell they might be partially biased OR give you advices by their own tastes which might differ from yours)

a heavy camera is not an issue
a big camera is not an issue
an expensive camera is not an issue

and you are intelligent enough to put yourself into the right path

lastly, the fact that i say 'an expensive camera is better than the others' i guess it's a fact, in the tech, in the possibilities, Nikon doesnt releases higher technology(10001 aspects inside a camera, not only same megapixels like someone posted) for free or for less or same, technology costs, better tech costs more.

this we might like it or not, it's a fact ( 3fps against 8, 12mp against 24, random numbers between all the models from low to high, plastic body or not etc)

i love my camera, i do not mean that the d7k is the best (i know that there is hella of cameras out there way better)

and then, just then, there is my own needs, but this is another talk.
let's keep NEEDS as NEEDS and NOT as ISSUES.

Danel said:

We could call it the DSLR Issues Forum. Only people who are having issues with their DSLRs, regardless of the maker, can go to this forum and complain, argue, discuss work-arounds, etc, free from the comments of so called fanboys and fangirls who have no issues with their cameras. Meanwhile, those who have no issues and are happy with their cameras don't have to read about issues and complaints that they aren't experiencing. This, I assume, will lead to harmony and world peace.

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That is a great idea.

I hope you aware that I've not said the 5.1 or the 7 is "better" than the other. Just "better" for my NEEDS.

Had I not had so many neck surgeries for nerve damage, I'd likely opt for heavier equipment. In fact, a few years ago I could barely press a shutter button. My index finger didn't have the strength--it would quiver when using a little P&S. I've recovered enough to be able to shoot using a DSLR, but I still don't want to lug around anything heavier than the 5.1. As it is, my pinky have been twitching almost non-stop for the last day or two. Oh, to have no physical issues! LOL!

Mau D7000 said:

no ofcourse not, you are right too, some people can afford more expensive cameras
and goes for the less.

but i guess most of people with cash goes deep into their possibilities

NEEDS is THE ASPECT
i respect your needs

if you tell me, i cannot keep a 800gr camera i prefer a 400gr one, i do respect it

but if you talk in general terms one is better than another one (like giving a public review more than caring about YOUR OWN NEEDS) then the fight starts

let me add: you will (1) read the SPECS on internet-magazine etc (2) feel the weight at the shop, what you like-want, you take

if you just buy the heavier and you later complain about its weight, that is stupid (in my opinion)

it's like someone who wants a small city car and ends buying a bigger farm-working car

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Dave

Dee fifty one hundred

i feel sorry for u hope you get better and better

Done

ceh5100 said:

RayTZ said:

Like Dave, Peter Pans, Pic Noob, and Caseykittykat who have a lot to say on each and every D7000 thread here.

Imagine they owned or even tried one of these cameras to form their opinions instead of spouting self indignant and self indulgent opinions which they gleaned from the forum. Then claiming to support the underdog or to be tired of fanboys beating down on genuine advice seekers.

Imagine a new D7000 user, like myself, so put off by the constant battering D7000 threads receive that we become defensive enough to inspire the OP to start this worthless thread.

Imagine this forum actually reverting to useful source of information it once was.

Imagine some of you actually listening to what Ray Soares or Steve Bingham or some forum denizens who post fantastic work... hold on a sec, that would never happen, you are TOO LOUD.

I try, I really do, to ignore this drivel but it's like driving past a train wreck in slow motion, you really should close your eyes. You should but you can't.

Flako said:

Dave,

Imaginary owners = They don't own a D7000

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I think you left me out!!

Look, I am into other hobbies, what somebody says about my item whatever it may, don't mean dillysquat, unless it was TRUE!! So, if Dave and the rest are just running off at the mouth, don't know what they are talking about, what is it to you? That doesn't make the camera (D7000), no more or no less than what it is.

If you happy with yours, great, maybe those that have sent theirs back might have a say in this.

Bottom line, we all can talk, that is what this forum is about. In case you didn't know, most 5100 owners have interest in the D7000! Why? Because it is the NEXT STEP UP. That is why NON-D7000 owners chim in on these discussion. I for one am GLAD that the faults were laid out in the open, if not, I might have wound up with a D7000 with faults. Being a newbie, that would put me up the creek without a paddle.

Next time, please include me in with the others.. I be proud to be lined up along with them...
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70, old, dirty & fast

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thanks, but my neck problems began in 1988, so I'm not expecting to get any better than what I'm experiencing now. I've resigned myself to the limitations it puts on my activities, although I often do things that I shouldn't, and that causes relapses which result in pain and/or weakness which can take anywhere from days to months to diminish. In some cases, I've had cortisone injections which help a little.
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Dave

Dee fifty one hundred

Yes, agree. In hindsight I should not have used the title to categorize all D7000 owners (I own one too). However, I did explain in my post and several other responses what I meant. I don't think starting a thread and including a reference to problems with the D7000 unless you are specifically addressing a problem is beneficial. Others obviously don't think this type of thread is beneficial and that's ok. It's just an opinion and one that I stand by.

Mako2011 said:

As I yours.....That said A fact is a fact so I don't dispute those. The rest I investigate..for instance, the oil problem. there honestly has been no real evidence as to what it really is...one poster even reversed his lens and you can clearly see some of the "oil" is not. The mirror slap issue is full of inconsistencies and little facts..most honestly can't reproduce it but I want to know what the cause is of those indicating a problem. Production improvements...really, that is conjecture though you may be perfectly correct. I am looking for more real data, information, and improvement. I do try to point out a fallacy for the benefit of those who could gain from accurate information. I greatly appreciate when my "facts" are corrected. And I enjoy having good nature fun and do not appreciates out and out rudeness. I appreciate what I think your trying to do. I also honestly understand and appreciate those "no back focus here" comments and see them for the intent they were given. It is my opinion that they have more positive impact than negative...even if it's only to make me smile.

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We'll just have to agree to disagree on whether there have been problems with the D7000. I haven't followed the oil issue or the mirror slap issue and have tried to avoid as many of those threads as possible. The purpose of my original post is valid whether you think there have been issues or not. I would like to see those that are posting pictures or questions or anything not specifically related to a D7000 issue leave out the unnecessary comments. It's just an opinion and I'm sticking to it.....

Clayton1985 said:

I would like to see those that are posting pictures or questions or anything not specifically related to a D7000 issue leave out the unnecessary comments. It's just an opinion and I'm sticking to it.....

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Have you seen some of the tones and commentary of the anti-D7000 group in the shin tone threads in the last few days? I would have seen your point prior to that. Not so much now as it obviously would have done no good.....Oh well, nice try. Happy 4th!

You may not realize but your points have been made ad nauseum on this forum (even before you owned a D7000). This is not a trial and if it were, the evidence you speak of wouldn't be anything you've been able to bring to the D7000 table unless I missed something. If so, please share.....

Clayton1985 said:

Yes, agree. In hindsight I should not have used the title to categorize all D7000 owners (I own one too). However, I did explain in my post and several other responses what I meant. I don't think starting a thread and including a reference to problems with the D7000 unless you are specifically addressing a problem is beneficial. Others obviously don't think this type of thread is beneficial and that's ok. It's just an opinion and one that I stand by.

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Just as it the opinion of many others that you started this thread to stir the pot and get attention.

I base that observation on the fact that your basic premise is idiotic.

If ANY body is "defensive" in these discussions, it's the D7000 critics who blame the camera for their own user error.

Really, come on, if there was something majorly wrong with the D7000, why hasn't Nikon issued a recall, why do they continue to sell in droves and why hasn't any established reviewer picked the D7000 to pieces?

And why can I get awesome images out of mine, but a few people can't?

My question is why are the few people who have issues in achieving consistently excellent results with a D7000 so DEFENSIVE about their lack of skills?
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Sosua said:

My question is why are the few people who have issues in achieving consistently excellent results with a D7000 so DEFENSIVE about their lack of skills?

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If your Camera has not issues i am fine with that, but Nikon usually do not lack QC as we have seen with this Model.

My D7000 overexposes about +0.7 since December and i am working around the issue but the Camera is Defective.

wlad said:

Im just wondering when all the D7000 are so defective, why didn't Nikon issue a recall ? Are those 99% of D7000 owner really blind ? Or are these "issues" really just blown out of proportion on forums like these ?

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Recall them and do what exactly?

• If it's a design issue, they'd have to redesign and provide a second camera at cost
• If it's a manufacturing flaw it has to be isolated and each unit fixed

How many have they already sold? How many have they already manufactured? Nikon is not made of money. They have to make SOME profit on their cameras. A global recall of the D7000 would be disastrous at best. I do not know if it would break them but it would take them at least a couple of years to recover.

A camera is not a car that could kill someone if there is a flaw, and yet how many cars with known design and manufacturing flaws are not recalled unless it is a major safety concern.

Not to mention that a lot of D7000 owners who already bought the camera and aren't seeing issues would be unhappy with a recall. They'd feel compelled to send it in to be fixed and be without their camera for a time when they didn't have a problem to begin with.

A recall is something you avoid at all costs. If the issues aren't terrible and don't cause total failure, Nikon's best option is to simply hope that the slew of new features outweighs the cons in the minds of those who have bought. Certainly some people will do exactly what you've seen and get defensive. Meanwhile if sales are slow they may put more effort into QC for the next camera "prosumer" DSLR.

But some of these issues aren't the users fault. Inconsistent focus while on a tripod, oil splatering on the sensor, dead or hot pixels....these aren't something a normal user (who isn't abusing the camera in the first place) can do anything to avoid.

Those of you with a good copy that isn't causing you headaches be thankful. Do not feel smug. You didn't necessarily do anything more right than an experienced user who has had problems. They aren't necessarily doing anything more wrong than you.

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My forum postings reflect my own opinions and not those of my employer. I'm not employed in the photo business.

joaquin100 said:

My D7000 overexposes about +0.7 since December and i am working around the issue but the Camera is Defective.

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let me fix that, you use:
1. spot/center weighted metering with focus point on something dark
2. matrix metering in a dark scene with brighter main subjects
3. 3rd party lens that does not support matrix metering at all

now the fix:
1. use matrix metering or select a different focus point
2. use spot/center weighted metering
3. use a lens that supports matrix metering

You would get the same results with any other camera, as this is a user error rather than a camera defect.