That is because he had problem with one lens so he thinks ALL Sigma lenses are bad.
Yes. I understand what MSRP means. (I'm being very patient here Eugene.) But the fact remains that is the only price Geenine has seen. The only thing we can say with confidence is that with an MSRP of $1400 (even Sigma dollars) it will be no bargain.
Nonsense. We've just been through all this with the 70-300L for example - now about 35% less than launch price, just as those of us with a bit of common sense knew all along and said over and over.
I'm sure it will be less than the Canon L - if they want to sell any. And let's not twist my words here, I didn't say it wasn't going to be less. I said it wasn't going to be "excellent value for money" compared to the Canon. But I don't mind trying to be a bit more specific. A quick comparison of the prices of established lenses - MSRPs from the Sigma US web site and street prices from B&H - suggests a fairly consistent 1/3 off. So $1400 -> $925 say. The Canon is $999. If you think $75 less is a bargain, then we've worked out where we disagree.
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If you had read my posts rather than spreading prejudice you would have seen that at one time I evaluated two of their macro lenses - and found them to be lacking both in performance and build quality. Today - after losing 500 Euro in suddenly worthless (non functional and no resale value because of botched flash protocol implementation) Sigma equipment - I wouldn't take a Sigma lens if it were anywhere near OEM lens prices...
So if you have common sense why you keep repeating $1400 for Sigma if you know very well that it will be no where close to this price?
And how do you know that? Have you tested it yet? Have you seen tests yet.
forget the stars look at the plots
What we may have here is one person (KGW) who would praise a coke bottle top at $3000 if it had a Canon brand and another (Greenie) who seems to be a Sigma fanboy. Never the twain shall meet there I'm afraid.
where where
yuck, i love switching back and forth between AF and MF for macro, some scenarios i do way better with AI Servo (yes even for bugs+macro distances!) and in others I find MF works better
Disagree on both counts.
Right, have you actually meet these guys in person? I had. I could tell you few things but I doubt you believe me.
The problem here (not for Sigma) is that Sigma completely changed their optical formula 2 years ago. I had very few Sigma lenses back then but now is a different story.
Have you tried the new one OS yet? I suggest you do. You be selling DG version very fast. I did not buy it for OS. I bought it for sharpness through the whole range. And it is my hiking lens now even though it is not light.
I strongly resent the fanboy badge - If the Canon lens were a coke bottle bottom I would say so, I can apreciate third party lenses (I have some and I'll get another one in short term) just not Sigma until they relent and license the protocols, they got it wrong once too often and I lost quite a bit hard earned cash by trying to save a few Euro by buying Sigma...
I was referring to UK prices. Launch price was £1600 and people were actually paying that (or very close) in the first few weeks. I paid about £1050. The price has drifted slightly upwards following the Japanese situation but I imagine it might reach the magic £999 once the shelves are full again.
Once again please don't make out that I said something I didn't. This all started because I pointed out that a £20 saving for a known lower spec lens - the Sigma 105 vs the Canon non-L - was not exactly the bargain of a lifetime.
But it is NOT KNOWN-LOWER-SPEC lens. And it is not £20 savings either.
Again, Sigma is not shouting because the are very modest and they let users to determine how good their product is. And just because Canon has Hybrid IS does not actually mean it is working the way they proclaimed it should work.
Nope, that would depends on whose lens is better. Even if Canon was a little better for a little more money I would buy Canon. I am not brand loyal. Until Jan of 2010 I mostly had Canon lenses. Actually I only had one Sigma 12-24mm and 150mm macro. Over the years I had few Sigmas but IQ did not impress me too much.
This has descended into idiocy Eugene.
