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DLBlack said:
Might not be that much R&D. Just a new sensor in the same body
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Designing, developing, prototyping, testing and then implementing a manufacturing process for a large sensor is nor something I would describe with the words "just a new sensor". In addition to the sensor itself you have to develop new mainboards and possibly even support processors. This isn't even remotely trivial. It's basically the same as completely redesigning the camera from a blank page. Remember that the 645D is basically a value driven MF digital, which doesn't leave much room for frequent design refreshes.

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ropen said:
6) Reliable anti dust mechanism they say;
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That would be a very good feature to have. Too bad there's no such thing.
 
sjgcit said:
Deleted1929 said:
Might not be that much R&D. Just a new sensor in the same body
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Designing, developing, prototyping, testing and then implementing a manufacturing process for a large sensor is nor something I would describe with the words "just a new sensor". In addition to the sensor itself you have to develop new mainboards and possibly even support processors. This isn't even remotely trivial. It's basically the same as completely redesigning the camera from a blank page. Remember that the 645D is basically a value driven MF digital, which doesn't leave much room for frequent design refreshes.

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Even if the new sensor is pin compatible with the old one?

Alex S.
 
You're as sharp as a pile of fire wood.

Radu

P.S. This explains your presence here I bet that you thought: "excuse me, but this is not Sony forum by any chance?" :)
Documensony said:
Roland Karlsson said:
... what you just described is ruled out by the document.

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Roland
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Excuse me, but are you the same as Raphael Karlsson by any chance?

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Documensony
'Spontaneity is enabled by rigorous practice'
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645D has in it a lot of electronics "off the shelf" and for example both the Prime 2 image processor and the SDHC card controller are pretty much EOL. If one camera would benefit (all would of course) from a much speedier image processing and transfer to the card(s) this is 645D (even more with the future higher Mp sensors)!

I also find almost certain that Pentax will switch to CMOS sensors for its next generation of 645D based on two main factors:
  • Live view presence seems to be requested by a lot of users of this types of camera and it will be present in some crude forms in the IQ series from Phase One (to be enabled via an updated fw).
  • Pentax is able to order thousands (even 10K) of units from a single type of sensor hence the main problem of how to dissipate R&D costs to a small number of sensors that confronted P1 or Hasselblad is easier to resolve.
I may add that unlike other MF companies which rely mostly on Kodak or Dalsa Pentax/Hoya has deep connections amongst Japanese semiconductor giants (and btw, they seem to go all the way with Sony sensors so why not a Sony CMOS for MF cameras?).

I feel that some of you think 645D to be "new" because it started to sell recently outside Japan but the camera was originally scheduled to launch in May 2010 and postponed to June because the number of cameras was not enough to meet initial demand. So we're already in its second year of production and this time next year will be well in the third. It seems old enough to me considering that Pentax will probably replace only the internals (sort of K-7 to K-5 upgrade).

Radu
 
Roland Karlsson said:
Alex Sarbu said:
Even if the new sensor is pin compatible with the old one?
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I would be surprised if it was
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"The KODAK KAF-50100 Image Sensor is a high
performance, 50-megapixel CCD. [...]
The sensor shares a common pin-out and electrical
configuration with the KODAK KAF-40000 Image Sensor,
allowing a single camera design to support both
members of this sensor family"

http://www.kodak.com/global/plugins/acrobat/en/business/ISS/datasheet/fullframe/KAF-50100LongSpec.pdf

;)

Alex S.
 
ropen said:
Documensony said:
Roland Karlsson said:
... what you just described is ruled out by the document.

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Roland
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Excuse me, but are you the same as Raphael Karlsson by any chance?
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You're as sharp as a pile of fire wood.

Radu

P.S. This explains your presence here I bet that you thought: "excuse me, but this is not Sony forum by any chance?" :)
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Man ... you are funny!

BTW, my mistake, is it Raphael R. Kalsson?

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Documensony
'Spontaneity is enabled by rigorous practice'
 
moving_comfort said:
Ned B has hinted that the major roadblock to a Pentax FF is the lenses - that it's much harder and more expensive to spin up 4 or 5 new lenses basically from scratch than it is to get out a new FF body.
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And the Limited series?

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Documensony
'Spontaneity is enabled by rigorous practice'
 
Alex Sarbu said:
"The KODAK KAF-50100 Image Sensor is a high
performance, 50-megapixel CCD. [...]
The sensor shares a common pin-out and electrical
configuration with the KODAK KAF-40000 Image Sensor,
allowing a single camera design to support both
members of this sensor family"

http://www.kodak.com/global/plugins/acrobat/en/business/ISS/datasheet/fullframe/KAF-50100LongSpec.pdf

;)
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Thanx. Count me surprised!.

You can never trust Kodak to do anything right. :)

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Documensony said:
moving_comfort said:
Ned B has hinted that the major roadblock to a Pentax FF is the lenses - that it's much harder and more expensive to spin up 4 or 5 new lenses basically from scratch than it is to get out a new FF body.
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And the Limited series?
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The limited series, even the DAs, mostly cover the FF image circle but they'd need some new designs at the short end. The big problem, though, is zooms: as far as I know none of the current zooms cover the FF image circle through their whole range; maybe not any part of it.

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First camera 1953, first Pentax 1983, first DSLR 2006
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No sir, I concede you're the funny one! After all how can I compete with someone who already knows all about the Pentax Q without seeing a single picture (non beta firmware to exclude the mantra of the Angry Kitty fellow), that the new image engine is $hitty, the sensor was in another Sony (of course) camera already on the market in 1776 for the first official pictures of the American Revolution and of course those sad hundreds of PhD's from Pentax and Hoya will make lenses not worthy for an iPhone. Of course if you root for iPhone too if not include the brand that you are not, rrrrright!!!! a fanboy of when you fake impartiality on Pentax forum.

But I least know that some people share first names but have different last names.

Not that it matters to you I don't think that you are here to learn something new anyway.

Radu
Documensony said:
ropen said:
Documensony said:
Roland Karlsson said:
... what you just described is ruled out by the document.

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Roland
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Excuse me, but are you the same as Raphael Karlsson by any chance?
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You're as sharp as a pile of fire wood.

Radu

P.S. This explains your presence here I bet that you thought: "excuse me, but this is not Sony forum by any chance?" :)
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Man ... you are funny!

BTW, my mistake, is it Raphael R. Kalsson?

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Documensony
'Spontaneity is enabled by rigorous practice'
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According to the pentax webstore the price of the Q is $799 and the price of the K-R is $849, In the UK the can be bought for K-R about £400. If the Q street price was to settle with similar realtion to the webstore price it would be about £380 - only a little more than the LX5 which is not half as expensive as it first seemed.
 
Documensony said:
moving_comfort said:
Ned B has hinted that the major roadblock to a Pentax FF is the lenses - that it's much harder and more expensive to spin up 4 or 5 new lenses basically from scratch than it is to get out a new FF body.
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And the Limited series?
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Not sure what your question is exactly, but the FA Limiteds were designed at the end of the film era, and would work wonderfully on FF. The DA 70ltd does also.

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