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D7000 - I was thinking of getting one.. "was" being the operative word.

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(1) on the warranty, all makers are the same, all to stop grey imports as you mention. So you can't buy a Nikon or a Canon or anything if you're going to leave soon

(2) on AF, it's urban legend, period. I've got tons of perfectly focused shots from my D7k, even with the demanding 85mm f1.4 G lens, such as this:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/antoinebach/5262393112/

I have carefully checked the AF micro-adjustement, and found that I needed (a) zero adjustement for the 85mm f1.4 G, (b) zero adjustment for the 35mm f1.8 G, and (c) -10 adjustement for the 18-200mm f3.5-5.6.

(3) on oil spots, it's another urban legend

In any case, with no manufacturer giving you a global warranty, you can't buy if you're due to leave soon.
 
With specific comment on the oil spots, it's strange urban legend that has people posting pictures of it and sending cameras back to Nikon for cleaning (and, in some cases getting them back with oil spots in different places (!!)).
antoineb said:
(1) on the warranty, all makers are the same, all to stop grey imports as you mention. So you can't buy a Nikon or a Canon or anything if you're going to leave soon

(2) on AF, it's urban legend, period. I've got tons of perfectly focused shots from my D7k, even with the demanding 85mm f1.4 G lens, such as this:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/antoinebach/5262393112/

I have carefully checked the AF micro-adjustement, and found that I needed (a) zero adjustement for the 85mm f1.4 G, (b) zero adjustment for the 35mm f1.8 G, and (c) -10 adjustement for the 18-200mm f3.5-5.6.

(3) on oil spots, it's another urban legend

In any case, with no manufacturer giving you a global warranty, you can't buy if you're due to leave soon.
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CaseyKittyKat said:
CaseyKittyKat said:
I wasn't just counting posts here, I've been reading many forums about these problems. Whole websites created to upload focussing cards and guides, tips on how to avoid oil spots or remove them, etc.
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Like you, I've also not limited my search to Dpreview. Here are some comments from a poster on another forum called Alton Andrew...it was in response to a review putting the D7000 at twice as good as the D300...

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BS voting in favor of the d7000. Still image focusing is MUCH better on the d300s, especially in low light - my d7000 jumps around like a lost puppy, but the d300s just nails it. The color accuracy is much more realistic on the d300s, very similar to what my eye sees. My d7000 looks like "vivid" on steroids, almost cartoon-like colors!! Buffer on the d7000 is laughable. If you shoot fast moving aircraft, you'll have less than 2 seconds worth of burst exposures (10 @ 6FPS) in RAW before you hit the buffer, then take a nap while it sloooowly recycles zzzzzzzz, oh sorry I nodded off. So for sports or fast moving action, seriously, get another camera. The image quality is better on the d7000, but not greatly. ISO is better on the d7000, but that advantage would be negated with good fast glass, and they ALL suffer at ISO 1600 and above. Go full Frame FX if you want superb IQ/ISO. You would have to blow images up to 2x3ft to see the difference. D300s body is a tank. The most important part of the d7000 body (where the lens attaches) is plastic, with the metal mount screwed into it, p.l.a.s.t.i.c. - very similar to the stuff American news readers are made of. Bracketing is much better on the d300s, and the d300s uses 16bit conversion (as per nikon website). Another d7000 annoyance - no EV metering inside the view finder in any mode except manual, so you don't know how the camera is adjusting exposure!! (FYI my old canon 40d blows both of them out of the water for buffer/ focusing speed/ev)

Ergonomics of the d300s are much much better, unless you have the feminine hands of a girlyman, you may find the d7000 more comfortable (but the rubber has less stippling and is of thinner and cheaper quality. The top LCD screen on the d7000 is small and crappy, and filled with unimportant garbage, that is of no use unless you can access the setting while keeping your eye in the viewfinder. Movie Mode is pretty good, and much better than the d300s, but positively rubbish compared to a camcorder. Traveling with either cameras and lenses will be a pain in the bum. Its lenses and balance, not the weight of camera bodies that makes them tiresome (glass is heavy) SD cards fail all the time CF do not, and SD's are much easier to lose. All the "customizability" of the d7000 are gimmicks designed to sell the brand. The d300s does everything extremely well, and doesn't need the gimmicks the newbies will use. They do nothing to help you become a better photog, so you'd be better off spending money on some good workshops with a pro. Ansell Adams said the most important part of the camera is the 12 inches behind the viewfinder.
 
emem said:
As long as we collectively behave like spineless sheep, we'll be treated as such.

To the OP - take your stand - and make sure you let Nikon in Australia AND Japan what you're doing and why. Good luck with whatever you decide.
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The key to your statement being "let Nikon...[know] what you're doing and why." I'm pretty sure Nikon Aus and Japan aren't http://www.dpreview.com . I just don't get the point of the initial post. So what she doesn't want to buy a Nikon camera. I fail to see how posting to say you aren't buying something means anything to people who don't know you and don't care that you aren't buying said electronics equipment.

If she wanted to discuss warranty problems, then why not make that the point of the post. The point of the post seems to be, "I'm not buying this product because..." and quite frankly, I'm sorry, but the OP is just not that important to me for me to care. I wish I could have those 20seconds of my life back after reading the rant. I could have pushed the button on my working D7000 a few times.

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Push the button more--that's a start.
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(1) I'm not denying that some people show shots with spots

(2) I'm a bit skeptical as to the actual problem, because to show spots you typically need to shoot at f16 or f22 or higher. At such small apertures, diffraction causes a significant drop in image quality. So I'm wondering about the actual relevance in the firld

(3) finally, we don't know whether these spots were there when the camera was unpacked. Too many people think they're so smart, and too many people clean their sensors too often, and dare to do it with the wrong tools (ie anything that's more than just an air blower).

In any case, all this is irrelevant to you, given that you cannot buy as your Australian warranty might not work depending on where you will end up.
 
Graystar said:
The D7000 has great customer ratings on B&H, Amazon, Adorama, and just about anywhere else you look.
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And how many didn't spot problems until after they'd taken three shots of their tabby cat and written the rating? There were quite a few people who didn't fully realise that their camera was back focusing until they tested it, sent the images to Nikon, had it confirmed and sent it off for adjustment, or in some cases, replacement parts. Also, I note that not many people notice oil spots right away, so these people could discover problems with oil and back focusing AFTER they have given the D7000 a glowing report, which is all you see. I remember when people were knocking people regarding the initial hot pixel issue until Nikon updated to the firmware to fix it. So who was right in that case? Did Nikon fix what didn't need fixing just to keep complainants happy? Or was there a genuine problem?
 
If you wanted to talk about the warranty, why wouldn't you post about, gee, I don't know, the warranty.

I see what you are getting at, stating all the potential for issues and why a global warranty matters to you, because of your perception of higher than normal potential issues. But you didn't phrase your post that way at all.

Your entire initial post is all about why you aren't buying the camera. I'm pretty sure nobody cares about you as a single person in a world of many and why you don't want to buy a particular camera, or buy a camera from a particular brand with a warranty that is on par with many other manufacturers of the same type of equipment.

Your feelings on the warranty issue seem quite relevant, it's just that you didn't make that the focal point of your post. It comes off more as "Oooh look me, I'm not buying your product and here's why." No one here is trying to sell it to you. See what I'm getting at?

To say your responses are because of people being fanboys here is quite honestly, an attack and not playing fair. If you can't see that, none of us here can make you.

Hope you enjoy whatever you buy. Or maybe you will rally up the troops with your rant here and elsewhere and stage some kind of rally to protest Nikon change their warranty policies. Just not sure how your initial post would ever incite something to that level.

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CaseyKittyKat said:
That was very interesting, thank you for the post.

(You do realise you are going to be shot by some people in here now...)
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I've got a bullet proof vest on. Personally, I don't know why people get so upset about people having a different opinion about the camera they bought. It's a bit of metal and plastic, not a beloved family member.
 
Thanks for sharing. It's always good to hear a different opinion for another angle.

After that, we can judge if the camera is suitable for us based on these different opinions and a bit of research.

For the price and features, I still think the D7000 is a very good camera. If I have more budget, I'd personally will try out the 7D.

BTW, I think the sniper scope is already here. ;-)
Peter Pans said:
CaseyKittyKat said:
Peter Pans said:
I wasn't just counting posts here, I've been reading many forums about these problems. Whole websites created to upload focussing cards and guides, tips on how to avoid oil spots or remove them, etc.
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Like you, I've also not limited my search to Dpreview. Here are some comments from a poster on another forum called Alton Andrew...it was in response to a review putting the D7000 at twice as good as the D300...

Quote....

BS voting in favor of the d7000. Still image focusing is MUCH better on the d300s, especially in low light - my d7000 jumps around like a lost puppy, but the d300s just nails it. The color accuracy is much more realistic on the d300s, very similar to what my eye sees. My d7000 looks like "vivid" on steroids, almost cartoon-like colors!! Buffer on the d7000 is laughable. If you shoot fast moving aircraft, you'll have less than 2 seconds worth of burst exposures (10 @ 6FPS) in RAW before you hit the buffer, then take a nap while it sloooowly recycles zzzzzzzz, oh sorry I nodded off. So for sports or fast moving action, seriously, get another camera. The image quality is better on the d7000, but not greatly. ISO is better on the d7000, but that advantage would be negated with good fast glass, and they ALL suffer at ISO 1600 and above. Go full Frame FX if you want superb IQ/ISO. You would have to blow images up to 2x3ft to see the difference. D300s body is a tank. The most important part of the d7000 body (where the lens attaches) is plastic, with the metal mount screwed into it, p.l.a.s.t.i.c. - very similar to the stuff American news readers are made of. Bracketing is much better on the d300s, and the d300s uses 16bit conversion (as per nikon website). Another d7000 annoyance - no EV metering inside the view finder in any mode except manual, so you don't know how the camera is adjusting exposure!! (FYI my old canon 40d blows both of them out of the water for buffer/ focusing speed/ev)

Ergonomics of the d300s are much much better, unless you have the feminine hands of a girlyman, you may find the d7000 more comfortable (but the rubber has less stippling and is of thinner and cheaper quality. The top LCD screen on the d7000 is small and crappy, and filled with unimportant garbage, that is of no use unless you can access the setting while keeping your eye in the viewfinder. Movie Mode is pretty good, and much better than the d300s, but positively rubbish compared to a camcorder. Traveling with either cameras and lenses will be a pain in the bum. Its lenses and balance, not the weight of camera bodies that makes them tiresome (glass is heavy) SD cards fail all the time CF do not, and SD's are much easier to lose. All the "customizability" of the d7000 are gimmicks designed to sell the brand. The d300s does everything extremely well, and doesn't need the gimmicks the newbies will use. They do nothing to help you become a better photog, so you'd be better off spending money on some good workshops with a pro. Ansell Adams said the most important part of the camera is the 12 inches behind the viewfinder.
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pic_noob said:
Thanks for sharing. It's always good to hear a different opinion for another angle.

After that, we can judge if the camera is suitable for us based on these different opinions and a bit of research.
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And that's all it is, a different opinion, a different angle from a different person, but people on here get upset if you disagree with them or post a different view.
pic_noob said:
For the price and features, I still think the D7000 is a very good camera. If I have more budget, I'd personally will try out the 7D.

BTW, I think the sniper scope is already here. ;-)
Peter Pans said:
CaseyKittyKat said:
pic_noob said:
I wasn't just counting posts here, I've been reading many forums about these problems. Whole websites created to upload focussing cards and guides, tips on how to avoid oil spots or remove them, etc.
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Like you, I've also not limited my search to Dpreview. Here are some comments from a poster on another forum called Alton Andrew...it was in response to a review putting the D7000 at twice as good as the D300...

Quote....

BS voting in favor of the d7000. Still image focusing is MUCH better on the d300s, especially in low light - my d7000 jumps around like a lost puppy, but the d300s just nails it. The color accuracy is much more realistic on the d300s, very similar to what my eye sees. My d7000 looks like "vivid" on steroids, almost cartoon-like colors!! Buffer on the d7000 is laughable. If you shoot fast moving aircraft, you'll have less than 2 seconds worth of burst exposures (10 @ 6FPS) in RAW before you hit the buffer, then take a nap while it sloooowly recycles zzzzzzzz, oh sorry I nodded off. So for sports or fast moving action, seriously, get another camera. The image quality is better on the d7000, but not greatly. ISO is better on the d7000, but that advantage would be negated with good fast glass, and they ALL suffer at ISO 1600 and above. Go full Frame FX if you want superb IQ/ISO. You would have to blow images up to 2x3ft to see the difference. D300s body is a tank. The most important part of the d7000 body (where the lens attaches) is plastic, with the metal mount screwed into it, p.l.a.s.t.i.c. - very similar to the stuff American news readers are made of. Bracketing is much better on the d300s, and the d300s uses 16bit conversion (as per nikon website). Another d7000 annoyance - no EV metering inside the view finder in any mode except manual, so you don't know how the camera is adjusting exposure!! (FYI my old canon 40d blows both of them out of the water for buffer/ focusing speed/ev)

Ergonomics of the d300s are much much better, unless you have the feminine hands of a girlyman, you may find the d7000 more comfortable (but the rubber has less stippling and is of thinner and cheaper quality. The top LCD screen on the d7000 is small and crappy, and filled with unimportant garbage, that is of no use unless you can access the setting while keeping your eye in the viewfinder. Movie Mode is pretty good, and much better than the d300s, but positively rubbish compared to a camcorder. Traveling with either cameras and lenses will be a pain in the bum. Its lenses and balance, not the weight of camera bodies that makes them tiresome (glass is heavy) SD cards fail all the time CF do not, and SD's are much easier to lose. All the "customizability" of the d7000 are gimmicks designed to sell the brand. The d300s does everything extremely well, and doesn't need the gimmicks the newbies will use. They do nothing to help you become a better photog, so you'd be better off spending money on some good workshops with a pro. Ansell Adams said the most important part of the camera is the 12 inches behind the viewfinder.
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klauspauk said:
CaseyKittyKat said:
I was thinking of getting one of these.

A few factors have changed my mind:

1) According to Nikon, the warranty for the camera does not leave the country of purchase (obviously to stop grey import warranty), and I'm going OS soon. To me this is a glaring omission for a camera that would be used by photojournalists and pro/am photographers doing travel work and such.
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So: Are you a photo Pro ? Doe this really matter to you?
klauspauk said:
With all the problems people have had with back-focus and oils spots, I'm not risking it.
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How many D7000s in regards to the overall sale numbers of that camera had focus/oil spot problems ? Can you tell what the percentage is?
klauspauk said:
2) The back-focus problems. This also seems a huge factor for a ONCE reliable camera maker. a good many have it, a good many don't - it seems like too much of a random mixed bag for me (especially coupled with the 'no warranty' thing above!!).

Again: What is the ratio of focus problems with the D7000 compared to overall sales numbers ?
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klauspauk said:
3) The oil spot issue. Again, with no warranty for the camera once I leave Australia, they can kep it!
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How many D7000s have an "oil spot issue" 3 out of 10,000? 10 out of 100,000?

You do not know. I don't know either. I have no idea how many D7000 have been sold worldwide. So stop talking about issues if you don't have any numbers to support your statements.
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Perhaps he might might when other people stop saying that it's only a few when they have no statistics to support their stance either. Are you going to take it to them now, because it's just as applicable?
klauspauk said:
klauspauk said:
I had a (mini) argument with Nikon reps. There is no global roaming warranty for the body. Lenses are under a global warranty but bodies have to be sent back to country of purchase.

That's not an option I'd take - transport damage, failure to complete a repair properly, time lost with this whole process.. No thanks!

I MIGHT reconsider when I get to England, but I doubt it. I've been soured off of Nikon for the moment.
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Kim Letkeman said:
CaseyKittyKat said:
  • Why should I stop talking issues that matter TO ME just because YOU say so? (Sieg Heil!!)
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Right there you blew any credibility you could ever have had into smithereens ...
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Really? Insisting that he can talk about what he wants to talk about means that he's blown his credibility, but the credibility of those who want to shut him up and stop him voicing his opinion remains intact? I think you might have it the wrong way round in this topsy-turvey world we live in.
 
klauspauk said:
CaseyKittyKat said:
"So stop talking about issues if you don't have any numbers"
You can talk about this all day long. Did I say anything different?
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klauspauk said:
  • Why should I stop talking issues that matter TO ME just because YOU say so? (Sieg Heil!!)
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Sieg Heil? Are you out of your mind?
klauspauk said:
if the numbers don't exist or are hard to find (let's face it, Nikon would not publish these figures!) does that mean no one's allowed to talk about the things that bother them just on YOUR say so? Moron!
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Moron? That's your response?
klauspauk said:
These issues are real, regardless of how many there are - oils spots, focus problems, mirror slap vibration problems, etc.

It doesn't matter if there's only ten in the whole world, if there's no warranty outside australia, what happens if I get the 11th with a problem - why should I pay full price for a camera with no warranty?!
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You don't even know how to spell "Australia". And I should take you serious?
klauspauk said:
(depends what you call a photo pro - I'm not a travel photog or a war photo journalist, but I have spent 8 years doing wedding/portaits/nudes/stock, etc.)
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So what it all boils down to is that you are just an angry little tosser without any numbers to backup your claims. You are not a photg (whatever the hell that is)
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Are you a little tosser when you claim the problems are minimal without any numbers to back up your claim?
klauspauk said:
klauspauk said:
klauspauk said:
CaseyKittyKat said:
I was thinking of getting one of these.

A few factors have changed my mind:

1) According to Nikon, the warranty for the camera does not leave the country of purchase (obviously to stop grey import warranty), and I'm going OS soon. To me this is a glaring omission for a camera that would be used by photojournalists and pro/am photographers doing travel work and such.
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So: Are you a photo Pro ? Doe this really matter to you?
klauspauk said:
With all the problems people have had with back-focus and oils spots, I'm not risking it.
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How many D7000s in regards to the overall sale numbers of that camera had focus/oil spot problems ? Can you tell what the percentage is?
klauspauk said:
2) The back-focus problems. This also seems a huge factor for a ONCE reliable camera maker. a good many have it, a good many don't - it seems like too much of a random mixed bag for me (especially coupled with the 'no warranty' thing above!!).

Again: What is the ratio of focus problems with the D7000 compared to overall sales numbers ?
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klauspauk said:
3) The oil spot issue. Again, with no warranty for the camera once I leave Australia, they can kep it!
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How many D7000s have an "oil spot issue" 3 out of 10,000? 10 out of 100,000?

You do not know. I don't know either. I have no idea how many D7000 have been sold worldwide. So stop talking about issues if you don't have any numbers to support your statements.
klauspauk said:
I had a (mini) argument with Nikon reps. There is no global roaming warranty for the body. Lenses are under a global warranty but bodies have to be sent back to country of purchase.

That's not an option I'd take - transport damage, failure to complete a repair properly, time lost with this whole process.. No thanks!

I MIGHT reconsider when I get to England, but I doubt it. I've been soured off of Nikon for the moment.
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Peter v.d Werf said:
CaseyKittyKat said:
"So stop talking about issues if you don't have any numbers"
  • Why should I stop talking issues that matter TO ME just because YOU say so? (Sieg Heil!!)
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Sorry, but the way you end this last line is completely out of line, please stop with this kind of nonsense.

Shouting with capitals...well, if you feel you need to, but stop with the **** salute crap. I think I can speak for many that this kind of talk has no place on a photo gear forum (or anywhere else for that matter....)
Stop taking things so personally here, it's a discussion, not a war........
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Are you saying that D7000 owners don't take it personally when people have the audacity to be wary because of reported problems? I'd say that the D7000 owners are the FIRST people to take it personally often with their "user error" and "get a point and shoot" jibes. And then of course when someone retaliates, they are accused of being the one taking things personally. Oh well, I guess hypocrite can be found anywhere.
 
Kim Letkeman said:
All the whinging in the world tends to find its way here.
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Well said. I'm always amazed at the level of whinging that ensues if someone dares to have the opinion that the D7000 isn't all it's cracked up to be or even stresses their hesitancy because of reported problems..
 
Peter Pans said:
Peter v.d Werf said:
CaseyKittyKat said:
"So stop talking about issues if you don't have any numbers"
  • Why should I stop talking issues that matter TO ME just because YOU say so? (Sieg Heil!!)
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Sorry, but the way you end this last line is completely out of line, please stop with this kind of nonsense.

Shouting with capitals...well, if you feel you need to, but stop with the **** salute crap. I think I can speak for many that this kind of talk has no place on a photo gear forum (or anywhere else for that matter....)
Stop taking things so personally here, it's a discussion, not a war........
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Are you saying that D7000 owners don't take it personally when people have the audacity to be wary because of reported problems? I'd say that the D7000 owners are the FIRST people to take it personally often with their "user error" and "get a point and shoot" jibes. And then of course when someone retaliates, they are accused of being the one taking things personally. Oh well, I guess hypocrite can be found anywhere.
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I do enjoy it when you have had a chance to get in an extra cup of coffee or two. You greatly add to the fun part of this thread :) Much appreciated.
 
RayTZ said:
My comment about the D3 WAS pointless. That's what I was aiming for.

You would have had a lot better reception coming here and discussing the warranty issue. Many here, myself included, would agree with you, without bringing up all the other D7000 issues of which you know nothing other than what you have read on forums.
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The "issues" ARE relevant if it means there is a greater chance that he may have to have it repaired under warranty given the awkwardness of the warranty.
RayTZ said:
This forum is littered with D7000 opinions from users (some on this thread) who know nothing about the camera. So much so that some people, yourself included, feel the need to deprive themselves of what is actually a superb camera.

You have warranty problems, okay, find a solution that suits you. Be it with Nikon, Canon, Pentax or Sony. But you come online and state your derision as if you single handedly have decided to punish Nikon for not having a warranty that makes sense to you. I sure Nikon will miss your business.

Go ahead. Buy something else. It's your money. Have fun. And by all means, feel free to inform all and sundry of your purchase decision.
CaseyKittyKat said:
I was commenting on the problem of getting a fault with no warranty in the country I'll be moving too.

I'd buy it if I was staying here with a valid warranty.

I lost interests after finding out about their draconian warranty restrictions. And, no, posting it back to Oz is not relevant. I've had parcels from USA sent via Italy (with a 4 month delay!) - post off a $2000 camera and have it sent to some bloke in Russia?? No thanks.

Your comment on the D3 was pointless - a valid comment would be that you're not buying it because of poor auto-focus issues (if it has any).
RayTZ said:
This thread should be ignored because you are ranting about a problem you do not have on a camera you have decided not to own.

Thank you for informing us of your choice, or lack there of, in equipment. It means a lot. For the record I am NOT purchasing a Nikon D3 because I don't feel like spending that much money on a camera. Wow, I DO feel better now...
CaseyKittyKat said:
I suppose THIS is just another thing to be ignored, there's no problems with this camera because greystar and klasu say so!
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Mako2011 said:
Peter Pans said:
Peter v.d Werf said:
CaseyKittyKat said:
"So stop talking about issues if you don't have any numbers"
  • Why should I stop talking issues that matter TO ME just because YOU say so? (Sieg Heil!!)
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Sorry, but the way you end this last line is completely out of line, please stop with this kind of nonsense.

Shouting with capitals...well, if you feel you need to, but stop with the **** salute crap. I think I can speak for many that this kind of talk has no place on a photo gear forum (or anywhere else for that matter....)
Stop taking things so personally here, it's a discussion, not a war........
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Are you saying that D7000 owners don't take it personally when people have the audacity to be wary because of reported problems? I'd say that the D7000 owners are the FIRST people to take it personally often with their "user error" and "get a point and shoot" jibes. And then of course when someone retaliates, they are accused of being the one taking things personally. Oh well, I guess hypocrite can be found anywhere.
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Mako2011 said:
I do enjoy it when you have had a chance to get in an extra cup of coffee or two. You greatly add to the fun part of this thread :) Much appreciated.
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Cool, but be careful that you don't address my point.
 
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