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Pentax marketing - a lot of answers about Q
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1) This camera is positioned as an alternative to entry level dslrs not compacts. Pentax must have a lot of faith in its iq abilities at least regarding sharpness and noise/DR characteristics;
2) The high performance lenses are made by Pentax the other 3 "unique" series are made in Thailand by Pentax designs;
3) There are no "colored" versions which IMO emphasis the fact that this is a serios camera with a twist of fun but aimed at advanced amateurs and enthusiasts. Again, nothing "toyish" about it Pentax seems to believe;
4) Sony sensor, officially no AA filter on it, praised for its performance.
5) No Prime imaging engine but something totally new (another reason why R. Mabo should keep quiet, he knows nothing about Pentax these days anyway and I don't need a Barry F, in the mirror with equal intelligence). That could rise the hopes for a new jpeg engine;
6) Reliable anti dust mechanism they say;
7) Only 1.5 fps for RAW capture;
8) Video AF is TBD;
9) Adapter to K mount is under consideration;
10) O-GPS1 compatibility is under consideration as well;
11) ND filter inside high performance lenses is good for about 2 stops;
12) Lens 06 will be a telephoto zoom;
13) No plans for a body with larger sensor than 1/2.3
14) What sensor size can be adapted to the current lenses? "We are not making public this information at this time:>
15) Mirrorless camera with K-mount? Under examination;
16) FF camera? No comment!
17) IS division makes profit.
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2) The high performance lenses are made by Pentax the other 3 "unique" series are made in Thailand by Pentax designs;
3) There are no "colored" versions which IMO emphasis the fact that this is a serios camera with a twist of fun but aimed at advanced amateurs and enthusiasts. Again, nothing "toyish" about it Pentax seems to believe;
4) Sony sensor, officially no AA filter on it, praised for its performance.
5) No Prime imaging engine but something totally new (another reason why R. Mabo should keep quiet, he knows nothing about Pentax these days anyway and I don't need a Barry F, in the mirror with equal intelligence). That could rise the hopes for a new jpeg engine;
6) Reliable anti dust mechanism they say;
7) Only 1.5 fps for RAW capture;
8) Video AF is TBD;
9) Adapter to K mount is under consideration;
10) O-GPS1 compatibility is under consideration as well;
11) ND filter inside high performance lenses is good for about 2 stops;
12) Lens 06 will be a telephoto zoom;
13) No plans for a body with larger sensor than 1/2.3
14) What sensor size can be adapted to the current lenses? "We are not making public this information at this time:>
15) Mirrorless camera with K-mount? Under examination;
16) FF camera? No comment!
17) IS division makes profit.
Radu
DrugaRunda
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two interesting bits for me... no AA filter and no "official" K-mount adopter on the table...
first one - great, as expected for such high density sensor, and the second... meh, but I would expect that there will be some third party ones available eventually.
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first one - great, as expected for such high density sensor, and the second... meh, but I would expect that there will be some third party ones available eventually.
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Some remarks.
Flange focal range and diameter of mount are 9.2 mm.
~ 1/5 from K-mount.
They plan to develop exicting mounts - 645, K and Q further. First of all.
They don't think to change the line-up of mounts.
OVF is made by unknown manufacturer. TOY lenses are by OEM manufacturer in Thailand.
Flange focal range and diameter of mount are 9.2 mm.
~ 1/5 from K-mount.
No plans now.
No plans now.
They made Pentax Q instead of K-mount mirrorless. No plans for K-mount EVIL for near future.
They plan to develop exicting mounts - 645, K and Q further. First of all.
They don't think to change the line-up of mounts.
OVF is made by unknown manufacturer. TOY lenses are by OEM manufacturer in Thailand.
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Rather funny. Which kind of weed HOYA marketing smoke? It's unreal to deceive physics. Crop 5.6 will never be even like crop 2.
Remark!
Zoom and 8.5 prime has 5-blades aperture.
Raphael Mabo
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I have seen no evidence that backs up your statement about the Q was made "instead of K-mount mirrorless". It is simply your personal point of view.
I believe the future is going mirrorless, it seems like this is where things are heading. This also means that the current K will be replaced by mirrorless in the future, and the Q is not that replacement. When the K will be replaced with mirrorless is written in the stars, but I do believe Pentax has such a project in the lab.
When the K-5 was released, Pentax said in interviews that they were going more upmarket (K-5 was more upmarket than the K-7). I believe that the core reason for this more upmarket mirrorless not being released now, is simply because the technology for mirrorless cameras is not there yet to meet the demands of the semi pro / pro's. But when the technology is there, I'm confident Pentax will release such a product. In my opinion, it is better to wait until you have the technology that meet advanced and serious demands instead of rushing out a product now. It is especially in the AF and EVF technology where mirrorless needs more development to really compete with today's best DSLR's.
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Shows just how out of touch they are with the consumer.
This is not a "new category" it's just a bit smaller than NEX with a much smaller sensor and smaller lenses and no doubt much worse IQ
"An alternative to an entry level DSLR"
I actually tried to stop laughing when I read that. The Q will not in any way shape or form meet the needs of an SLR user entry or not it's not even close to it. Absurd statement to make.
5 years of work? Or 5 years too late? I'm on the last one myself. If this took 5 years I'm seriously worried about who is working on development.
I missed the spec on 1.5fps raw..not that anyone would be impressed.
The charade continues. I hope it does bomb and badly then they can stop messing about with time wasting ideas.
This is not a "new category" it's just a bit smaller than NEX with a much smaller sensor and smaller lenses and no doubt much worse IQ
"An alternative to an entry level DSLR"
I actually tried to stop laughing when I read that. The Q will not in any way shape or form meet the needs of an SLR user entry or not it's not even close to it. Absurd statement to make.
5 years of work? Or 5 years too late? I'm on the last one myself. If this took 5 years I'm seriously worried about who is working on development.
I missed the spec on 1.5fps raw..not that anyone would be impressed.
The charade continues. I hope it does bomb and badly then they can stop messing about with time wasting ideas.
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It's HOYA view at mirrorless system.
They say that they have no any plans to change existing line-up of mounts.
And they says that Pentax Q is approaching to the quality of digital SLR cameras.
This camera is positioned as an alternative to entry level dslrs not compacts.
If you have firm info about APS-C mirrorless from HOYA this year, give us a small piece of information...But I think you have no...
The question: "Why did you choose not to produce K-mount mirrorless?"
Answer shortly - No ways to make K-mount compact mirrorless system...
Raphael Mabo
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Then where did Hoya state that the Q was made "instead of a mirrorless K"?
Seems still more like your personal belief than something that Hoya has stated.
So? They said a couple of years ago that they didn't had any plans of mirrorless, and now they are telling that the Q took 5 years to develop...
So?
So? It is an upgrade to p&s compacts, just as entry level DSLR's are.
When the K-x was introduced, Pentax said it was positioned as an alternative to the micro 4/3 cameras... (in a japanese interview when they get the question about mirrorless and micro 4/3, and Pentax answer is that the K-x is that competitior from Pentax).
As I said in an other thread, a logical setup would be the Q plus a mirrorless semi pro / pro replacement for the K. This means no more entry level DSLR from Pentax, leaving it to the Q (prices go down on DSLR's and in order for Pentax to be profitable they need to enter market with products that have higher margins).
And the K-5 replaced by a mirrorless semi pro / pro body. (or the replacement for the K-5 replaced by a mirrorless semi pro / pro body). It all comes down to if technology level makes it possible to make a semi pro / pro mirrorless without compromises in AF and EVF.
This way you have three existing mounts - Q, advanced mirrorless and 645D.
And I believe this is the future for Pentax.
When, how soon or how far away, I don't know.
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Raphael Mabo
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I know entry level DSLR uses that only prints standard prints or show images on Facebook, and only has two lenses (standard and tele zoom) and hardly knows what RAW is or what aperture is for... But they like the idea of interchangeable lenses.
Surely a Q would be fun and useful for them?
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Surely a Q would be fun and useful for them?
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viking79
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I don't care about K mount adapter (too much crop factor on the lenses). As I have said before I want a C mount adaptor. Right now on my shelf I have sitting a 6mm f/1.2 lens that would cover a 1/2,3" sensor easily, and is only about the size of a small stack of quarters.
There are tons of C mount lenses with apertures in the f/1 to f/2 range and even with good zoom ranges. People have tried to use them on m4/3 but those sensors are too large for most C mount lenses.
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C mount is another interesting option...
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zxaar
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A mirrorless in k mount is not same as changing mount because k mount already exists.
So??
Do you have firm information where they say that no k mount mirrorless will be ever produced by pentax then please point us to it because it is you who is making such claims.If you have firm info about APS-C mirrorless from HOYA this year, give us a small piece of information...But I think you have no...
I take it that pentax as a business is open to anything that can make them money that means all types of cameras in future just that they shall know that it will make them money to sustain company and make profits.
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MightyMike
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I would defend the 5 years, look at the 2 photos from photokina 2006 you see they have actually been working on the idea of a micro mirrorless for at least 5 years. however in that time as technology and focus changes they do have to go back to the drawing board at times. This finished product is certainly not the original concept they imagined 5 years ago... so yes they adapted and adjusted the idea as the market changed and it might have been an on paper concept until the last year or 2 when they would've started making prototypes. So from initial idea to final release a lot can change and it can take a long time.
Original "Q" mock-up
Oh whats this??? long before micro 4/3rds ever was considered a mirrorless full sized K-mount mock-up
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Original "Q" mock-up
Oh whats this??? long before micro 4/3rds ever was considered a mirrorless full sized K-mount mock-up
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Gerry Winterbourne
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In practical terms this is obvious. K-mount has 45.5mm flange distance to clear the mirror box. Take away the mirror box and the camera gets a lot thinner with flange distance of about 20-25mm. What's the point in making a mirrorless camera that's the same size as a mirror one?
Some day, when EVF improves far enough, the heavy SLR form will become redundant and a new, thinner style with a new mount will come along. That will need an adaptor to allow use of legacy K-mount glass but sticking to K-mount as standard would be like keeping M42 as standard.
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Roland Karlsson
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The document with questions that now is linked to from several posts is somewhat cryptic regarding mirror less APS-C cameras, mainly due to the fact that it seems they call mirror less APS-C cameras for mirror less K mount cameras. Which is highly confusing. It might be because the only mirror less APS-C camera Pentax planned to make used K mount. Which is weird, but possible.
But - it says two things.
1. Only three mounts are going to be considered in the near future: 645D, K-mount and Q-mount.
2. There will be no mirror less K-mount in the near future.
1+2 gives that there will be no mirror less APS-C in the near future.
Thats it then. A major mistake Pentax.
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Indeed, that link has some interesting info - like 1) the larger mount area around the sensor was only designed to accommodate the SR mechanism (line 19,) and 2) they have no plans to introduce a Q mount model with a larger sensor to fill that space gap (line 48).
Also interesting (maybe)... line 56 is far from 'no way, Jose!'
Question: Will you launch a full frame camera in the near future?
Answer: We do not have anything we could go in detail.
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Indeed, that link has some interesting info - like 1) the larger mount area around the sensor was only designed to accommodate the SR mechanism (line 19,) and 2) they have no plans to introduce a Q mount model with a larger sensor to fill that space gap (line 48).
Also interesting (maybe)... line 56 is far from 'no way, Jose!'
Question: Will you launch a full frame camera in the near future?
Answer: We do not have anything we could go in detail.
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Yes, exactly. There are plenty of people in the D3100/D5100 market who buy their kits and never add a lens. Often, never add a flash - using the popup or none at all.
They like the idea that they're taking a significant step up but don't really want to learn photography, hoping that a better camera will take better pictures without a better effort on their part.
Some of those people have a taste for cool or new or stylish and also have the money to indulge those tastes. They don't know what DOF means nor care.
Pentax is taking careful aim at these people. They're going where the enemy isn't. Good strategy.
Now .... we'll have to wait for bit to see if they've followed that with a good tactical decision. In other words, we don't know nothin' until we see the sales results - not raw files, sales results.
I don't know if Hoya made the right decision but I'm impressed with their willingness to jump into something new. And wish them the best.
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Pentax has waited far too long for the FF bandwagon. I switched out mty FF needs to Nikon, and I will keep Pentax for my crop bopdy needs....which are many.
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