Police Arrest Woman For Videotaping Them From Her Property

What an ignorant uneducated reply. Might want to pick up a book on sharks
In this case we're talking about someone on their own property, minding their own business. Do I have the right to tell her to get off her lawn? Do you have the right to tell her to get off her own property?

Can you explain why you or anyone else has a right to literally force me/you off our own property?

Aside from any other arguments, the Cops let this "suspect" go, and there goes even a minimal rational for this incident. So you are left, dangling so to speak, simply saying that what a cop says, goes, no matter what.

Dave

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I agree. The one from a couple weeks ago in Maryland is a clear case and the presentation was made by me that the police, by abusing their power, are working against the people (perhaps functioning effectively and unwittingly) as a government militia. This is where free speech and right to bear arms comes into play.
The most laughable thing about the Maryland case you noted is the police officer's defense in the suit brought against them: they didn't know what the law was! Ignorance of the law is no excuse except for the people enforcing the law.
Regardless of intent or not, the selfish actions of a few power-tripping police officers, which, no doubt is increasing, and no doubt, reported more and more, is something that strengthens these measures the government has put into place to reduce personal rights. It's funny how that works in the government's favor.
I don't know if improper police action is increasing, I'd be more more inclined to believe that it's more of a case where we are more aware of it now. Let's not forget that the vast majority of officers are honorable. But a few bad ones can cause a lot of trouble for people, I know that personally.

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If I may brent...
Do you know what that photographer said or did BEFORE the camera was on? No you do not. Hence the reason we have courts. We dont need you or anyone else second guessing based on youtube.
Err, she threw rocks at the Cops? Maybe brandished a gun? Odd, she wasn't charged with that...

Here's some more information.

Emily Good was charged with obstructing governmental administration. Officers say she refused the police officer's order to leave her front yard and go inside.

The fundamental question being debated here is this -- should she have been forced to follow a police officer's order or was she lawfully within her rights to remain on her front lawn?

It started with that back-and-forth between a Rochester Police officer and a city resident. Within three minutes, the woman videotaping this traffic stop from her front lawn found herself in handcuffs, refusing the officer's order to go inside.

The woman behind the camera is 28-year-old Emily Good who now faces a misdemeanor charge of obstructing governmental administration.
http://www.whec.com/news/stories/S2168201.shtml?cat=566

Now the newspaper is waaaaay to humble. Was she violating the law by refusing to obey an illegal order? The paper refuses to make a call on whether the order was legal or not.

Of course she's going to make a mint when the charges are thrown out of Court, and the town is sued up the wazoo. Because it's a real stretch to believe that her presense on her own property somehow interfered with the Police.

Now mark this

If she HAD interfered with the Police before she started videoing, why then was she not arrested right then and there? So clearly the charge of interfering consists of her taking a video.... :)

I hope she gets rich. The Police need to learn that they are "servants" and not "masters" of the Public.

Dave

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I don't know if improper police action is increasing, I'd be more more inclined to believe that it's more of a case where we are more aware of it now. Let's not forget that the vast majority of officers are honorable. But a few bad ones can cause a lot of trouble for people, I know that personally.
It's increasing simply because everyone and their Mother-in-Law now carries around the capability of videoing the Police. And some Cops don't know the law, and some who do know it, simply can't deal with the idea of being videoed, by everyone with a cell phone - As a result their over reacting. Until they realise that this is something that can't be stopped, and their going to have to live with it, thse kinds of actions will increase.

Mind you, the police now routinely photograph and video everything, and surveillance cameras are everywhere.

Dave
 
And there is a law of probability now adays that you can get money or be famous just by being an innocent victim or doing something tremendously stupid near or around a recording device.....

If the police are in the wrong you and everyone else should still follow the law and use COMMON SENSE when addressing it.

When your parents corrected you (even if they were wrong) you didnt argue with them. You (well an intelligent person would) explained to them and showed them their error.

When your parents set down rules and guidelines and gave you instruction on the fly you (well again most intelligent common sense kids) listened, complied THEN asked why later.
This is a bad analogy. We are not children and the police are not our parents. They serve us, or so they should. Like it is with our government, it now seems that we serve them.
Its the same process here. If you feel you are being treated unfairly or your civil rights are being violated address it later.

The only thing stuff like this will condone is people challengeing authority at all the wrong times and places making matters worse creating situations that can and will threaten life or do grevious bodily harm.
Sometimes authorities need to be challenged when they are wrong.
Then no one wins. Unless of course you were just trying to make money off of it.

BTW you wont be around "in the end". Who is to say in the "end" a militia change is what is needed or not? Heck 100s of years ago Im sure a lot of people didnt think the Bill of Rights was such a grand idea either.

Not that I am supporting it one way or another. I mean I have been waiting for "Big Bother" to tell me what to eat for breakfast, where to work, who to marry for what 20 plus years now? ;)
Every one of these discussions will have people who want more societal controls and will stick up for the cops. They don't realize that most of these videos are put out there out of many more because it shows the cops in the wrong. There is a law of probability that the videos that are put out there are there because there's a lot of question.

Even in the thread for this video, it didn't matter that everyone involved, including the superiors, said that these cops were wrong:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iMr76atjUA&feature=youtu.be

People still said the cops were right.

Now cops are using the Wiretapping Laws, and turning themselves into a militia. Good call. That's not going to work in the end.
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These post get more idiotic every time. It amazes me how many people hate the police and then wonder why might get treated poorly. I spoke to a guy yesterday who is now suing the police after he feels he was treated poorly following a DUI arrest. He refused the breathalyzer and was taken into the station. That's the law! Follow it and there are no issues. You people who posses this anti-cop attitude need to wake up. These guys risk their lives everyday. They have families too just like you and then they still put their butts on the line for YOU! Maybe you should just say thanks and shut the heck up.
Where I live, people will kill to get a job as a cop. Within five years on the force they are making six figures. Not too shabby. The job can be dangerous, no douobt, but they are beating the doors down around here to get one of those jobs.
What has any of you done for your fellow man on a daily basis? What risks do you take to save a life or protect an average citizen or defend a law? Most of you would run and hide under certain conditions that these men and women thrive under. Please shut up about these isolated innocents. There are bad police like there are bad citizens...get over it and move on, but stop wasting time and space crying about the injustices. I've managed to live 45 years and have been all over the world without a single issue dealing with any law enforcement. Why is that? Simple, I don't break the law and I know how to be respectful. This ain't rocket science folk.
I don't break the law either, never have. But I've had to deal with bad cops. Try this one on for size: I was visiting a frined in a liquor store he owned many years ago. The cops set up asting: they sent an underage guy in to buy a bottle of wine. It's a familiar sting. He comes to the counter with the bottle and my friend asks him if he is 21 or older. Note that under the law, the kid cannot say he is because that is entrapment. Well, he said he was. He looked like he was at least 25. The sale is made then in come the cops. They arrest not only my friend but me too despite me and my friend telling them I don't work there, I'm just visiting! One cop takes my friend into the back and the other starts "processing" me. The other cop leaves the store and then comes back in carrying an accordian file box and I notice that something is bulging under his shirt - he put a tape recorder in there. He goes back into the rear of the store with my friend. The cop processing me leans over to me and says, and I remember it like it was yesterday, "your friend is trying to help you out and keep you out of trouble. If you went and offerred my partner a few hundred bucks, maybe you could keep your friend out of trouble". If I did that, they'd have me on tape offering a bribe. I told him that what he was doing is entrapment and he was a fool to think I would fall for that. At that point he grabbed me, pushed me against the wall, and cuffed me. All for doing nothing wrong. It cost me quite a bit of cash to fight the arrest. Don't tell me that we don't have a reason to fear bad cops even though we don't break the law.
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Issuing guidelines to a department noting what the right of photographers are doesn't always work. The MTA cops in Baltimore cited the wiretap law as a reason the fellow wasn't permitted to record the audio portion of a video. That was struck down by the courts in Maryland from the somewhat celebrated case of the guy on the motorcycle speeding and recording it on his webcam. I, a New York resident, knew it was struck down but the police who are paid to enforce the law in Maryland didn't know that? Or did they and they simply lied about it? In either case, I think more should be done than just issuing guidelines. Those MTA cops should be sat down and given some lessons on what the law really is, it's evident that they don't because they cited more than one law that didn't exist.
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How many have read the laws, and if you did read it, where did you read it ? Try it sometime ?

I will take a bet that 99 % of the police officers and 99 % of the public, have never read the Laws.

Further there are case Laws every day, wherein the courts decides cases everyday, this way or that.

In fact it is impossible to know/read all the laws, that is why we employ lawyers, and pay them an arm and a leg to defend or prosecute, when the time comes. Even then they read/research only a miniscule portion of the law pertaining to the case at hand.

Thus the Police Officers, who are supposed to serve us, get their instructions from their supervisors. They are told to take command of any situation and direct the public to do their bidding, under threat of arrest/physical harm. This is their law, as they never read the law books.

That being the case, the public has no choice, but to carry a video camera around and tape everything 24/7 for their own protection against an unjust police state.

A video tape never lies, and will expose their present unethical/unlawful practices.

Should the police practices be lawful, they have nothing to fear.

The Question is very simple, can a government agency which is supposed to protect the laws; be allowed to violate the laws they are sworn to uphold. And what say yee, if you never read the laws ??

I was always dismayed by the many, who swear to uphold and defend the contstituion of the united states, only to find out that they never read it !!!

QED
 
Sorry, Brent if the remark was a little flippant. It is generally safe to swim in the sea because humans are not the sharks preferred food, but they will eat you if they are hungry enough or mistake you for something else or if you are bleeding.

Your courage and commitment to your cause are commendable and admirable. I still would only risk my life for another person. The fuzzy, cuddly, cute, little animals, especially those that occasionally eat people, are on their own. I can see taking some risk to protect a habitat of 10,00 acres or so or even a cherished family pet, but only so much. Animals are not people.
What an ignorant uneducated reply. Might want to pick up a book on sharks
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They're actually as lawful, as the rest of us; and, this applies to other police around the world, when compared to the populations, they in fact come from, too. ;)
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And, so we now expect them to be lawyers, too? ;)
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If the Police fulfill their duties in a fair way and according to the law, what should they have against being videotaped?
Have they something to hide?
 
This is part of the problem, as with that woman intruding into what the police are trying

to do, privacy laws requirements, could very well limit what the police are able to do, in accomplishing that portion of their duties that should be completed at the arrest site or crime scene. Heck, depending on the circumstances, perhaps the police could even have designated where she was videotaping and hassling them from, a part of their crime scene or work place (her property, or not). Frankly, it behooves me that so many folks are always trying to cause trouble for our police, hamper their efforts, or just outright mistrust them. :|
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If the Police fulfill their duties in a fair way and according to the law, what should they have against being videotaped?
Have they something to hide?
 
This is a bad analogy. We are not children and the police are not our parents. They serve us, or so they should. Like it is with our government, it now seems that we serve them.

Sometimes authorities need to be challenged when they are wrong.
They are also there to protect. Again what harm is there for the lady to move from the area regardless of who owns the property, for her safety, the safety of the officer and those around?

Again challenge them. However in the middle of an arrest or the performance of his duties is not the time.

I have no idea what you do for a living however what if everytime you attempted to do something within your duties you were interupted or people were pointing out your errors, methods etc... more or less challenging you?

Or would you rather them let you do your job then take it to a side bar?

Again there was no harm to her or anyone else if she just moved. Still video taping from a distance. Then contacting the station of the officer filing a complaint, if she did not recieve an adequate response to her concerns then esculate it.

I just dont see the need for then and now. There is a right time and a wrong time for everything.
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What you provide more information.... yet not all the information....

"Rochester Police Union President Mike Mazzeo has seen the video and points out that the officer in question repeatedly told Good he felt threatened by her presence. "I see an officer using great restraint, maintaining composure, acting professional, clearly giving very clear and concise orders to an individual who just simply didn't comply."

"Mazzeo says what can't be ignored is the danger police find themselves in on a daily basis and says the fact that she's on her property is insignificant. "I think she was certainly trying to engage the officers, in my opinion, and that's what's so dangerous because it's a distraction to what these officers are doing."

"I hope she gets rich. The Police need to learn that they are "servants" and not "masters" of the Public. "

They are also protectors. And in order to protect everyone they must make calls that others wont, cant or chose not to. In those situations people should use common sense however they dont either due to pure stupidity or just because of something they read about their rights on the internet. Or maybe they want to be the next youtube sensation.

There is a big difference however in the tone and use of your words and I can guess at the type of person you are and reason does not come into consideration with you.

Again there is a time and place for everything. What harm would have befallen had she cleared the scene and continued to video tape? Then brouight the issue up in a civil way when there is not a lot going on.....
Err, she threw rocks at the Cops? Maybe brandished a gun? Odd, she wasn't charged with that...

Here's some more information.
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What you provide more information.... yet not all the information....

"Rochester Police Union President Mike Mazzeo has seen the video and points out that the officer in question repeatedly told Good he felt threatened by her presence. "I see an officer using great restraint, maintaining composure, acting professional, clearly giving very clear and concise orders to an individual who just simply didn't comply."
His composure isn't in question, simply the fact that his demands of the bystander were unreasonable and not supported by either law or the available evidence about the circumstances. There is no evidence that her behavior was threatening, and abundant evidence that the officer's feeling of being threatened was contrived.
"Mazzeo says what can't be ignored is the danger police find themselves in on a daily basis and says the fact that she's on her property is insignificant. "I think she was certainly trying to engage the officers, in my opinion, and that's what's so dangerous because it's a distraction to what these officers are doing."
There is no question that officers are faced with danger, and perform heroically on a daily basis. But from the available evidence, this is not one of those cases, and the fact that officers in general, and even this officer in particular, may perform heroically in other situations doesn't in any way excuse the unprofessional behavior, and possibly unlawful exercise of authority that is displayed in this case.
"I hope she gets rich. The Police need to learn that they are "servants" and not "masters" of the Public. "

They are also protectors. And in order to protect everyone they must make calls that others wont, cant or chose not to. In those situations people should use common sense however they dont either due to pure stupidity or just because of something they read about their rights on the internet. Or maybe they want to be the next youtube sensation.
Agreed that they must make tough calls. But there's no evidence that the actions in this case were the result of a tough call. The video tape recording shows no obstruction or interference of official duties on the part of the bystander. It shows only an officer overreacting to the presence of observers, in particular one with a camera. From the evidence of the video, it is clear that it is the officer who escalated the situation into a confrontation. In this incident, it is clear that he wasn't acting as a protector; he was in fact, a provocateur. If the situation had escalated to the point where officers or citizen's were injured, responsibility for that would have rested with the officer.

Now, it is true that things could have happened before the taping began which we aren't aware of. However, as Chato pointed out, she is charged only with interference stemming from the events that are recorded. Had she done something legitimately actionable prior to taping, there was no response to that at the time. Further, it is clear in the video that the officer only becomes aware of or concerned about her presence after the video has already started so it is unlikely that she had done something to justify her arrest prior to the taping. I will agree to hold open that possibility should evidence of such become available, but the police themselves have not made any such claim.
There is a big difference however in the tone and use of your words and I can guess at the type of person you are and reason does not come into consideration with you.

Again there is a time and place for everything. What harm would have befallen had she cleared the scene and continued to video tape? Then brouight the issue up in a civil way when there is not a lot going on.....
Sorry, but the question isn't whether she "could have" gone inside; of course should could have. But she was not, or shouldn't have been, requried to leave the scene. That would be true even if she were on public property, but she was, in fact, already "home".

The question is, did the officer overstep his authority and misrepresent the law in suggesting that her actions were illegal, did he violate her rights for arresting her on unsupported grounds, and did he unnecessarily endanger himself, his fellow officers and the public by escalating a non-threatening situation? Any conclusion is subject to reevaluation should additional information become available, but based on the information we have available it appears that his behavior was indefensible.

All of us (well, most of us, anyway) want to support an effective police force. But it is incidents like this that in fact undermine public trust and support, and lead to the lack of respect that you decry. Just as we should be quick to "disown" photographers who really do overstep their rights or engage in illegal activity, we should be able to distinguish and condemn government misconduct when it occurs.

Dave

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Sorry, police are not protectors. They assumed that role in debates. They respond to incidents already in motion, not before. Traditionally, the people have been the protectors, only using police to transfer a perp from the streets to the judicial system. Luckily, certain states, cities, and counties, still allow the people to police the streets, such as in Texas, consequently having low rates of crime. In these cases, the people do the policing, while the police are there simply to transfer the process to the system. This system keeps the police weak and prevents them from assembling into a corrupt militia, whether organized, or due to abuse of power.
 
Dave,

However in order to make that call that others wont you need to make it on the spot for the safety and wellfare of all.

He made a call it wasnt abided by. His thought is look she was not helping and possibly hurting. In his capacity he has the authority (IMO) to do what he did.

YET if it is found AFTER the fact he was breaking a law or over extended his authority then deal with it.

However what we see is only a portion of the whole. It is not like she was filming on her front yard and he pulled over telling her to stop.

The officer made it clear that she was more of a problem than anything. We see and hear that. So now is it to be believed that the officer was not feeling any sort of threat that would ahve esculated the situation between him and the suspect? (not the recorder) Why do you think ther is yellow tape across a crime scene? Not only does it protect the crime scene it also affords the ability for law enforcement and emergrncy personal to do their jobs.

An officer does not have the time to throw up yellow tape to give him the room and control of a scene.

Why dont people just walk across the tape?

As for the tape itself.... I can yell at you and berate you to the point you are upset THEN turn my camera phone on. Again we see what only is given to us. We do not hear all sides to the story.

That is all I am saying. Hear everything before passing judgement.
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Incorrect, and that is the assumption from many, that officers have more power or authority than they do. They don't, especially when they don't know the laws. Often times, even for legitimate arrests, officers arrest first, then search through the computers or their notes to find the law that fits the situation. In checks and balances, it is either accepted or thrown out by the judges and DAs. When it's accepted, still more checks and balances follow.

You cite crime scene. This was not a crime scene. Crime scene tape is to avoid contamination of evidence during an investigation. She was not within a crime scene, nor was she tampering with evidence. A cop simply used the power they think they have to escalate a situation that never existed.
Dave,

However in order to make that call that others wont you need to make it on the spot for the safety and wellfare of all.

He made a call it wasnt abided by. His thought is look she was not helping and possibly hurting. In his capacity he has the authority (IMO) to do what he did.

YET if it is found AFTER the fact he was breaking a law or over extended his authority then deal with it.

However what we see is only a portion of the whole. It is not like she was filming on her front yard and he pulled over telling her to stop.

The officer made it clear that she was more of a problem than anything. We see and hear that. So now is it to be believed that the officer was not feeling any sort of threat that would ahve esculated the situation between him and the suspect? (not the recorder) Why do you think ther is yellow tape across a crime scene? Not only does it protect the crime scene it also affords the ability for law enforcement and emergrncy personal to do their jobs.

An officer does not have the time to throw up yellow tape to give him the room and control of a scene.

Why dont people just walk across the tape?

As for the tape itself.... I can yell at you and berate you to the point you are upset THEN turn my camera phone on. Again we see what only is given to us. We do not hear all sides to the story.

That is all I am saying. Hear everything before passing judgement.
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