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Perhaps this has been discussed previously in this forum however, I am on the verge of purchasing a D1x and have read enough about it to know that I will not regret the purchase. Nevertheless, I am concerned that as soon as I buy it, Nikon will announce a new and improved version that will address certain issues I have been reading about on these pages. I have not been able to find anything relating to this anywhere, and was wondering if anyone has any usefull information on the subject?
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Roper
 
Canon now have a full frame DSLR and Nikon cannot be far behind. Your D1 is going to become obsolete when it is announced and you'll take a bath finanacially.

The D1 is old and heavy and a bit of a clunker - which is why I decided to buy a D100 as a stop gap until a full frame camera comes out. I know it will be a near worthless piece of junk in a couple of years (just as my Coolpix 950 bought when it first came out is now). The rate of progress is astonishing.

The only reason to buy a D1 now is if you have work lined up for it which will make it pay for iteself in a year. If so, you can do the work and write the camera off and then move on to full-frame. If you're an amateur unable to do that, I guarantee you're going to be holding an obsolete camera in a year's time.

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Mark

D100, AF-D Nikkors: 14mm f2.8, 20mm f2.8, 24-120 Zoom, 60mm Micro, 85 f1.4, 70-210 Zoom, SB80-DX
 
If you're an amateur unable to do that, I guarantee you're going to be
holding an obsolete camera in a year's time.
D100, AF-D Nikkors: 14mm f2.8, 20mm f2.8, 24-120 Zoom, 60mm Micro,
85 f1.4, 70-210 Zoom, SB80-DX
I'd be happy to take YOUR "obsolete" D100 camera off your hands next year! If the camera is reliable it'll be a working good 6MP maker for many years...
 
Canon now have a full frame DSLR and Nikon cannot be far behind.
Your D1 is going to become obsolete when it is announced and you'll
take a bath finanacially.

The D1 is old and heavy and a bit of a clunker - which is why I
decided to buy a D100 as a stop gap until a full frame camera comes
out. I know it will be a near worthless piece of junk in a couple
of years (just as my Coolpix 950 bought when it first came out is
now). The rate of progress is astonishing.

The only reason to buy a D1 now is if you have work lined up for it
which will make it pay for iteself in a year. If so, you can do the
work and write the camera off and then move on to full-frame. If
you're an amateur unable to do that, I guarantee you're going to be
holding an obsolete camera in a year's time.

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Mark

D100, AF-D Nikkors: 14mm f2.8, 20mm f2.8, 24-120 Zoom, 60mm Micro,
85 f1.4, 70-210 Zoom, SB80-DX
 
Certainly it will still be taking good pictures but you're correct reliability will be key. They may come a point where it's uneconomic to repair, just like trying to get a lap-top repaired. for anything non-trivial.

The point is that in 2 years time, you'll be able to buy a full frame camera for no more than the D1 now and the D100 will be less than half the current price. The only way to justify these costs are by getting the camera now, enjoy it, use it and get benefits from it.

Going back to a film camera seems so archaic.
 
There will definitely problems and issues from the new generation DSLR too. The problems you are refering to D1 series might have been fixed or well-known with some alternative measures in place to minimize impacts.

The real question is whether you could find anything you need in the new generation that could not be find in this generation. I expected the new generation would be anything make me surprise than the 1Ds.

GH
Perhaps this has been discussed previously in this forum however, I
am on the verge of purchasing a D1x and have read enough about it
to know that I will not regret the purchase. Nevertheless, I am
concerned that as soon as I buy it, Nikon will announce a new and
improved version that will address certain issues I have been
reading about on these pages. I have not been able to find anything
relating to this anywhere, and was wondering if anyone has any
usefull information on the subject?
--
Roper
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Nikon D1x, Nikon FM3A, Canon S45
 
Hello Jack,

I think many expect Nikon to announce or speak of something new at the up coming PMA show (Feb/March). They let Canon, Kodak, and Sigma take the spot light at this falls Photokina show...
Perhaps this has been discussed previously in this forum however, I
am on the verge of purchasing a D1x and have read enough about it
to know that I will not regret the purchase. Nevertheless, I am
concerned that as soon as I buy it, Nikon will announce a new and
improved version that will address certain issues I have been
reading about on these pages. I have not been able to find anything
relating to this anywhere, and was wondering if anyone has any
usefull information on the subject?
--
Roper
 
The only reason to buy a D1 now is if you have work lined up for it
which will make it pay for iteself in a year. If so, you can do the
work and write the camera off and then move on to full-frame. If
you're an amateur unable to do that, I guarantee you're going to be
holding an obsolete camera in a year's time.
Obsolete is a funny term.

It will certainly be "old news" when a Nikon full frame camera comes out but that doesn't mean that it won't remain a good useful camera. Not everyone will need a full frame camera.

I'm assuming we're talking about a D1x/D1h, not the original D1. The original D1 could be considered obsolete now.

I'd have a hard time recommending a D1X these days, I admit. The D100 is almost all of what the D1X is at 1/2 the price or less. I suspect many people don't need the F100 type features the D1(h,x) offers. The D1x (and H) are still very durable cameras, but for the same money you can get two D100s, one primary and one spare. That's the route I decided to go instead of investing in a D1X or D1H.

-T
 
This whole notion that a camera body suddenly becomes obsolete when a new version is released is absurd (and I mean that in a good way!!).

If the camera takes good pictures today, will it suddenly stop taking good pictures after a new version is released?? Of course not!! Currently, many professionals are creating publishable images using the D1X. Will their work suddenly become unpublishable after a new version is released? Again, the answer is obviously no!!

A camera body doesn't really become obsolete until software developers are no longer developing software to work with the image format (.NEF, in this case), or if Nikon suddenly switches all new lenses to a new mount design.

This isn't a question of obsolescence - it's a question of techno-lust. We all want to have the latest gee-wiz gadget. Even pro's are susceptible to this. But I suspect a real pro is able to look past all this "keeping up with the Joneses" stuff, and will think of the camera as a tool and what she/he can do with it. Period.

Also, how can you possibly take a bath financially? Are you paying out your money to buy a camera, or are you paying for a status symbol? If you are paying for a camera, then my above comments stand. If you're paying for a status symbol, then I guess you will take a bath. But if you're buying a status symbol, you're going to take a bath every couple of years or so as soon as yet a newer model is released.

I love all these comments on this forum by people who express disgust with Nikon because they didn't release a D2 at Photokina, and how they have had enough and are switching to Canon. In my opinion, these kind of people aren't photographers at all, they are just gadget freaks, or they are just so insecure in their work that they blame all their inadeqacies (sp?) on their equipment. I say good riddance to them.

Just my $0.02 worth ---- Hans.
Canon now have a full frame DSLR and Nikon cannot be far behind.
Your D1 is going to become obsolete when it is announced and you'll
take a bath finanacially.

The D1 is old and heavy and a bit of a clunker - which is why I
decided to buy a D100 as a stop gap until a full frame camera comes
out. I know it will be a near worthless piece of junk in a couple
of years (just as my Coolpix 950 bought when it first came out is
now). The rate of progress is astonishing.

The only reason to buy a D1 now is if you have work lined up for it
which will make it pay for iteself in a year. If so, you can do the
work and write the camera off and then move on to full-frame. If
you're an amateur unable to do that, I guarantee you're going to be
holding an obsolete camera in a year's time.

--
Mark

D100, AF-D Nikkors: 14mm f2.8, 20mm f2.8, 24-120 Zoom, 60mm Micro,
85 f1.4, 70-210 Zoom, SB80-DX
 
This isn't a question of obsolescence - it's a question of
techno-lust. We all want to have the latest gee-wiz gadget. Even
pro's are susceptible to this. But I suspect a real pro is able to
look past all this "keeping up with the Joneses" stuff, and will
think of the camera as a tool and what she/he can do with it.
Period.
Hans,

You wrote a great essay. I think you expressed the feelings of many! The current D100 is a great photographic tool and will continue to be so for a long time. It may--most certainly will--come down in price in the future but I don't think it is worth the wait. There's just too much fun, and great pictures to be had, right now.

Peter
 
----- an the improvements may be spectacular. I’d not recommend a NEW D1x at this time. Of the three Nikon D-SLRs currently offered as new the D1x is the most under performing and id likely to be the first dumped my multiple owners as soon as the next version is announced.

News of this is imminent – and sales from mid 03 with pre-orders ~ might be no harm to put your name down now.

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What's a photographer without a camera?
 
I had the same question! My decision was as follows.

WAIT! Until the new gen comes out & then buy the D1x at a discount!

It will still work just as well as before & I would want to wait for them to de bug the full frame, new gen cams before I get one.

As far as obsolete is concerned I still use my 995!? there is no problem with it now that the newer one has come out.

Let me enlighten you all; please repeat after me, until it is burned into your brain!

When a new model comes out it physically has no effect on the preceding model!
ITS ALL JUST IN YOUR MIND!

Take your ego out of the equation & you will not lust for the newest, shiniest model, advertising will have no effect on you, you will be free! Haley loolia, praise the lord! You then will be happy with a quality product that does "for you" what you need it to do at the time.

P.S. If you have the means maybe you should consider the D100 for now & then keep it as a back up to your d1x or the new gen. Just a thought.

Nick
 
But I think there is nothing big or great except the full frame, which is not critical to me at all.

Maybe I wonder if it was the photographers ourselves always underperformed to manage this class of machines...:D

GH
----- an the improvements may be spectacular. I’d not recommend a
NEW D1x at this time. Of the three Nikon D-SLRs currently offered
as new the D1x is the most under performing and id likely to be the
first dumped my multiple owners as soon as the next version is
announced.

News of this is imminent – and sales from mid 03 with pre-orders ~
might be no harm to put your name down now.

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What's a photographer without a camera?
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http://www.digital-life-21.com/forums/
Nikon D1x, Nikon FM3A, Canon S45
 
-------------------- the D1h, D100 and the D1x.

As a total delivery package the D1x falls behind and is the camera (apart for the discontinued D1) that draws the most response, D1h upgraders are delighted and see their improvements as both welcome and desirable.

But then the D1h was a philosophy camera for a purpose whereas the D1x was a ‘stuff in whatever we can’ into an existing chassis and power supply unit.

It still delivers the best image quality, but even the humble D100 is snapping at it’s heels here with a fare better overall delivery system – except for Firewire.

The D1x needs to be beefed up with an improved power plant and power supply and needs a few more toys on board.

Technically it’s still the leader.
 
Hans,

It's not THE camera, it's the system. The big item where most will be hurt is the mis-match in lens perspectives. All of those people buying all of those 17-24mm lenses will find them less than useful. Actually, it could just be a Nikon marketting ploy to sell the tc-20e.

Joe
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Also, how can you possibly take a bath financially? Are you paying
out your money to buy a camera, or are you paying for a status
symbol?
 
Perhaps this has been discussed previously in this forum however, I
am on the verge of purchasing a D1x and have read enough about it
to know that I will not regret the purchase. Nevertheless, I am
concerned that as soon as I buy it, Nikon will announce a new and
improved version that will address certain issues I have been
reading about on these pages. I have not been able to find anything
relating to this anywhere, and was wondering if anyone has any
usefull information on the subject?
--
Roper
So when will you ever get into the digital imaging arena. We can always keep waiting for the next latest greatest thing, but all the while you are waiting, you're not taking images or learning how to do digital imaging and post processing. There will always be something new which will make the current model obsolete for the "techno collectors" here who only collect cameras and don't shoot any images. If Nikon even announces a new full frame today, it won't be released for another 6 months at a minimum. Can you afford to wait a year? And, if they announce a new full frame, it will cost even more than the D1x anyway. Can you afford the new one in 6 months? Just look at Canon vs Nikon on the cost

SD9 $1800
D60 $2000 D100 $2000 S2 $2300
D1h $3400
1d $5000
D1x $4500
1Ds $8000 D2x Certainly at least $7000

So if cost is an issue and you're worried about the latest greatest, get a 1Ds (full frame, 3 fps) if you can even find one right now. It'll be the same cost as any D2x. You can't get something for free, so lets get real here.

Ask yourself do you really need the tool (these are, after all, just tools to capture an image). Each class of camera is geared at a different style of photography

D60, D100, S2, SD9 are one class of photographer -- consumer level
and studio/wedding

D1h and 1d wildlife and sports, photojournalism, pro

D1x photojournalism, studio, pro
14n
1Ds studio, landscape, pro

(categories above are general and not all inclusive, but just to give an example, not to incite a flame war). Bottom line is each tool has its positives and negatives. No one camera will suit all needs, though the 1Ds seems to come close and the D1x with new buffer upgrade will keep pace IMO.

Getting a D100 as a "stop gap" to avoid the feelings of buying a potentially "obsolete" D1x may not be a real solution for you. Choice of tool (camera) depends upon what you intend to do with it and whether or not you need the features.

I find that for me the D1x and D1h meet my needs far better than the consumer cam like N80 body based cameras (D100, S2, 14n). All digital cameras can acquire excellent images, its really more dependent on the photographer and the quality of the lens than it is the body.

If you use two cameras as I do for sports, A D1x/D100 combo or D1h/D100 combo or 1D/D30 is nowhere near as interchangeable or rapid to manage due to differences in lesser performance rates for D100 or D30.
D1x/D1h and 1d/1d combos are much easier to work with for fast action.

If you shoot studio or casually, then the N80 based systems should work just fine. It's all a matter of your shooting style. Buy the tool which is right for you now and go out and start capturing images rather than worrying about having to buy the latest and greatest (unless of you course you are just one of those techno type gadget junkies that collects systems and doesn't take photos and instead spends there time shooting brick walls, newspapers on a wall, resolution charts, and macbeth color charts to brag about the resolution of their camera or lens).

Note that nothing is perfect. Even on the full frame 1Ds, there is reported lateral chromatic aberration using ultra wide angles and shooting high contrast images (bottom line avoid high contrast imaging or buy better lenses (and even that is not a solution since even the top of the line wide angles will still manifest lateral chromatic aberration on these full frame dSLRs and even some film cameras).

Again, trade offs, trade offs, trade offs. No system is perfect. Select one and go out and take pictures. Learn the system and have fun.
 
This whole notion that a camera body suddenly becomes obsolete when
a new version is released is absurd (and I mean that in a good
way!!).
No, not truly obsolete. It's just that nobody will want one.

The major limitation of the D100, as I see it, is in wide angle shooting. That limitation will be gone with the advent and common availability of full 35mm frame size CCDs. The economics of sharing lenses between 35mm and digital will be the new "de-facto standard" for years and years to come, IMHO. 4/3rds system notwithstanding!

-Frank
 
Perhaps this has been discussed previously in this forum however, I
am on the verge of purchasing a D1x and have read enough about it
to know that I will not regret the purchase. Nevertheless, I am
concerned that as soon as I buy it, Nikon will announce a new and
improved version that will address certain issues I have been
reading about on these pages. I have not been able to find anything
relating to this anywhere, and was wondering if anyone has any
usefull information on the subject?
--
Roper
My advice... buy the new Kodak DCS Pro 14n with full 35mm frame sized CCD. Produce 14MP images and share your Nikon 35mm lenses! Or, wait for Nikon to produce their own.

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0209/02092304kodakdcs14n.asp

Advertised as available this month! It's virtually the same price as the D1x! (well, close)

-Frank
 
----------------- talking D1x Now, (start of December 2002) it's arguably better to consider waiting, if the purchase was to be made last summer, the advice would have been be to buy.

The trick is to catch each phase at its beginning. That way, one has the newest technologies at the highest prices but is also in line to maintain that price for a longer period, so one may sell early again if unsuitable for very little loss.

Someone buying a D1x now (as a first camera) is buying a camera due for replacement and will certainly take a devaluation in the next few months of greater proportions than the preceding 18-months put together.

By the same token, anyone waiting for the D1x, second hand, next year is the time to buy, they will be plentiful, many upgraded with new firmware and sell at lower prices because of the glut. The D1x is probably the most anticipated second hand camera to come to this market in along time. It carries a proven track record; no major problems of any sort and most will be well within their working tolerances, so no sudden death shutters are showing up, unlike other brands, and should certainly make a good buy and expect them to still trade briskly for another two years.
 
The current D100 is a great photographic tool and will
continue to be so for a long time. It may--most certainly
will--come down in price in the future but I don't think it is
worth the wait. There's just too much fun, and great pictures to
be had, right now.
I agree with that, but given that the original poster has NOT yet invested in a DSLR, and given that it is quite likely that Nikon will announce a full-frame DSLR, I would say: WAIT! Reasons why a full-frame SLR will be better:

1) Full frame sensor: For people that like wide angle lenses (as I do), this is essentially the only way to get to the 20mm range (35mm equiv) without a whole lot of distortion.

2) Higher resolution: Is 6mp enough? Sure. For what? What would having 14mp afford you? Think about it.

Again, if you're a pro and need a DSLR, there's no contest: get one today. But if you're itching to go that way, I'd wait. You won't regret it.

Miguel
 

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