Did Fuji abandone smartmedia in favor of compact flash?

No compact flash for Fuji, probably ever. Of course, their new
memory card is the XD picture card. Whether it is better is yet to
be proven. I surely have never had any trouble with SmartMedia. It
is very dependable, and downloads directly from the camera without
software. Can't say that for Compact Flash. You have to have a
reader for it.
Except for the 602 and the S1/2....they do support the CF and microdrive standards, and can be downlaoded directly from the camera as well. However, in the lower end cameras, you are correct, it will be xD cards all the way from here on out.

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Fuji 6900Z, Fuji2600Z,
Pentax PZ-1p, Pentax ZX-M, Pentax MX, Oly Stylus
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Since the controller for
the card is embedded in the camera electronics, we're stuck with
the 128Mb upper limit on cards.
Are you sure about that limit, or is it a guess?

I'm thinking about my Nomad MP3 player, which was software-upgraded to handle 128 Mbyte SM. Obviously not a hardware controller limit there.

Has Fuji said which cameras might handle 256 Mbyte SM? I realize that the Fuji cameras unfortunately lack the capability to upgrade firmware easily, but why would Fuji have released new camera models without considering a card capacity upgrade which is less than a year away?
 
Why not make things easier?if you simply keeps the last file you will never bother to rename the file. Just "Select" all the files except the last one, choose "Cut", then "Paste" the files onto your hard disk. everything is ok.

I wonder why you insist to use the "erase all" feature. If you do want to view the last picture, just shoot another picture (if you want to change the quality to VGA before you shoot you can), and leave that picture there, cut all the pictures except the last one and paste them to your hard disk.
Leaving the largest numbered file on the card while deleting the
rest seems to me to be a problem. I was thinking of copying a small
(VGA) file onto the PC from the card ..... then erasing the card
('Erase all') ... then renaming the file on the PC .... and then
copying it back to the card ... via a card reader.

What do you think?
 
Since the controller for
the card is embedded in the camera electronics, we're stuck with
the 128Mb upper limit on cards.
Are you sure about that limit, or is it a guess?

I'm thinking about my Nomad MP3 player, which was software-upgraded
to handle 128 Mbyte SM. Obviously not a hardware controller limit
there.

Has Fuji said which cameras might handle 256 Mbyte SM? I realize
that the Fuji cameras unfortunately lack the capability to upgrade
firmware easily, but why would Fuji have released new camera models
without considering a card capacity upgrade which is less than a
year away?
From past exerience with fuji camera's and not just fuji either, whenever a larger Smartmedia card comes along later which was not available when the camera was made usually means the larger card will not work in that camera. At least Olympus had a controller upgrade policy although you had to pay and send the camera back to them.

This is what makes me smile about users who dis-cuss the large future sizes claimed by the potential of the new xD media. It still has to have a compatible controller in the camera in order to read these future larger cards, and as it is not possible to test current cameras because the large cards dont yet exist only a fool would buy a camera based on the unlikely possibility of it working with these new large capacity card promised in the future. Only thing thats important when buying a camera today is what memory is available now! and ensuring it works with your current camera!, most people only keep their camera for a couple years anyway. Exhorbitant claims about potential high capacity xD cards etc. even though they currently do not exist and are the figment of someones imagination is good for share prices etc... thats all. Although many CF cards will work in the 602, The fact remains that only Smartmedia up to 128m and the micro-drives are guanteed to work 100% with the 602.
JMO

Grandpa
 
a 256m version is soon to be released too.
How do you know this? This has been stated before but no cards have
appeared, I would certainly want to see one and even bigger if the
cameras can hanle them.
This was a news artical quote on a couple of media sites and also the Register if I remember correctly which was a news release from Samsung who make the bulk of the SM media that a 256 card was imminent, its been quite a few weeks ago and I've heard nothing since, it was also mentioned on here by other users too who had seen this. Lets hope its true and a 256m version does appear. However with the price of 128 SM media currently being so cheap I'm happy to change the cards over when one gets full...only takes 2secs...at least it reduces the chance of losing all your pics on a large capacity card if it goes down.

I strongly doubt that even if a 256m SM version does appear eventually that it will work with the 602 anyway without a controller update, and Fuji never offer them... so its immaterial!

I noted in a email from Fuji recently which a forum user had received when he queried this with Fuji, they stated the camera was 100% compatible with SM cards up to 128m and microdrives, they made no statement denying that a 256m was to be released which I thought they would have done if the statement about a 256m version becoming available was not true.... we shall have to wait and see. :-))

Grandpa
 
Since the controller for
the card is embedded in the camera electronics, we're stuck with
the 128Mb upper limit on cards.
Are you sure about that limit, or is it a guess?
A little of both, I seem to remember reading a thread in here discussing this issue and Fuji indicating it would take a firmware upgrade for the 6900 to be able to read any card larger than 128Mb.
I'm thinking about my Nomad MP3 player, which was software-upgraded
to handle 128 Mbyte SM. Obviously not a hardware controller limit
there.
Yes, but the software upgrade is not possible with the 6900/602. What the software upgrade does is allow your on board controller to recognize the exisitence of the larger card. Fuji's has to work the same way, as a SM controller is a SM controller, whether it is in a digicam or an MP3 player. You just have to be able to tell the controller to look for something different, and you can't with the Fuji cameras.
Has Fuji said which cameras might handle 256 Mbyte SM? I realize
that the Fuji cameras unfortunately lack the capability to upgrade
firmware easily, but why would Fuji have released new camera models
without considering a card capacity upgrade which is less than a
year away?
I've never seen anything directly from Fuji on this issue, and Fuji US is notorious for not keeping up with the developments from Japan (based on past experiences with Fuji US). My guess, and it is only a guess, is they released the 602 to get something into the market since the 6900 apparently sold beyond their wildest dreams. The xD card was probably already in development at this point so the 602 was just a stop gap measure to get a solid prosumer camera available until such time as they got an xD compatible version to the market.......but again, this is just a WAG on my part.

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John

Fuji 6900Z, Fuji2600Z,
Pentax PZ-1p, Pentax ZX-M, Pentax MX, Oly Stylus
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I use a 1G MD and somehow I seem to take hundreds (6M Fine) of photo every time I take the thing somewhere.
I use 1700 rechargeables and get over 300 photos per charge...
I also have a 1GM microdrive in my iPaq that I can use, will that
suck up battery power faster?
Hello -

I am very interested in purchasing the 601z, I went down to Inkleys
to look at it tonight and the told me how terrible smartmedia is
compared to compact flash and the fuji has abandoned it and is
Hi Bob,

The sales guy is full of cr*p. Fuji is not abandoning Smartmedia
because it is so terrible....in fact, Smartmedia cards are pretty
handy overall. SM cards have no moving parts, they are nice and
fast and easy to store. the downisde is they are easy to lose and
the media is exposed. CF cards on the other hand are more robust
and have higher storage capacity. The downside is CF cards have
their controller in the card, which makes them more easily
transferred to other cameras, but also makes them slower to read
and write.

SM cards are also generally cheaper than CF cards.....so the sales
guys make more off them! :)
moving to compact flash in their future cameras. Has anyone had any
problems with smartmedia, does it get wiped out with xray machines
(airports) etc...
Fuji is not abadoning SM....the 602 supports both types. However,
in the futre, all new Fuji cameras will most likely used the xD
cards, whichis a sturdy, yet samller version of the SM card. Fuji
developed this jointly with Toshiba and Olympus. So if the sales
people told you Fuji was going to CF over SM, he's way off base and
has no clue about what the newer Fuji cameras are using.

X-ray machines will not harm SM cards. My 6900 has gone through an
x-ray machine everyday, at least four times a day, since September
12th of last (I work in Federal Building). My SM cards are
perfectly functional as is my camera. Neither have shown any
effects all. What you are thinking of is the machines the postal
service will use to irradiate mail to kill anthrax spores. That is
high energy radiation and will not only kill anthrax spores, but
all compact flash cards, smartmedia cards, media in personal
computers, palm pilots, etc., film and lots of other electronic and
photographic items.
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John

Fuji 6900Z, Fuji2600Z,
Pentax PZ-1p, Pentax ZX-M, Pentax MX, Oly Stylus
http://www.pbase.com/jglover
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regards
Damian

http://www.pbase.com/damned
 
Both CF and CF II (ie Microdrive) cards can be read straight from the camera.
Hello -

I am very interested in purchasing the 601z, I went down to Inkleys
to look at it tonight and the told me how terrible smartmedia is
compared to compact flash and the fuji has abandoned it and is
moving to compact flash in their future cameras. Has anyone had any
problems with smartmedia, does it get wiped out with xray machines
(airports) etc...

Thanks again

Bob
No compact flash for Fuji, probably ever. Of course, their new
memory card is the XD picture card. Whether it is better is yet to
be proven. I surely have never had any trouble with SmartMedia. It
is very dependable, and downloads directly from the camera without
software. Can't say that for Compact Flash. You have to have a
reader for it.
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Dave Lewis
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regards
Damian

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Apparently the reason they cant keep the numbering going is because of the dual media support.
Yes it takes only 20-30 seconds, I shoud not be too lazy to change
the card. The problem is if I change the card I lost the serial
number, if Fuji can keep the serial number in camera, I'd rather
buy a bunch of SM card than a single Microdrive!

There're two other solutions but niether is support by S602:

A): if only I can copy photos from one slot to another, I can move
the last picture to the CF card, then change the SM card, then move
the picture from CF back to the new SM card.

B): enable the 'renumber' feature: just let me to rename the first
picture taken on the new SM card.

Frankly speaking, I'd lost hundreds of pictures for the trip to
Scottland because of the "reset to 0001" feature. From that day I
would always using serial numbering.
Annoying, isn't it :-)

Does this happen on the S1 or S2, do you know?

It seems to me that this is just something that wasn't thought
through too clearly. I imagine (but what do I know about these
things?) to have sorted it out if Fuji had a firmware update
capability.

As I say, I simply get around the problem by copying the cards into
subdirectories. But it would be nice if I didn't have to ........

Something I must try is shooting a 640X480 image, copying it to my
PC, re-naming it, erasing the card, and copying the re-named image
back to the card. Presumably the number of the rest of the images
on the card will start from there?
Hardly. How many 6mp images can you get on a 128mb SM card?

53 for Fine; 113 for Normal.

And how long does it then take to swap it for another 128mb card?
20-30 seconds.

If I feel I'm really going to take a lot of pictures and don't want
to swap cards (can't really think of many occasions when I can't
spare the 30 secs to change cards) I can always use the microdrive
that's in the camera as well as the SM card.
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regards
Damian

http://www.pbase.com/damned
 
Why not make things easier?if you simply keeps the last file you
will never bother to rename the file. Just "Select" all the files
except the last one, choose "Cut", then "Paste" the files onto your
hard disk. everything is ok.

I wonder why you insist to use the "erase all" feature. If you do
want to view the last picture, just shoot another picture (if you
want to change the quality to VGA before you shoot you can), and
leave that picture there, cut all the pictures except the last one
and paste them to your hard disk.
Ah, yes .... but I always load my pics onto the PC via card-reader and not from the camera.

The whole point of the process that I was suggesting is that I can decide how the numbering will start for each and any card.

And having created the file on the camera, it will load back (with a new filename) onto the camera without a problem :-)

I'll give it a try and see how it works out.
Leaving the largest numbered file on the card while deleting the
rest seems to me to be a problem. I was thinking of copying a small
(VGA) file onto the PC from the card ..... then erasing the card
('Erase all') ... then renaming the file on the PC .... and then
copying it back to the card ... via a card reader.

What do you think?
 
a 256m version is soon to be released too.
How do you know this? This has been stated before but no cards have
appeared, I would certainly want to see one and even bigger if the
cameras can hanle them.
This was a news artical quote on a couple of media sites and also
the Register if I remember correctly which was a news release from
Samsung who make the bulk of the SM media that a 256 card was
imminent, its been quite a few weeks ago and I've heard nothing
since, it was also mentioned on here by other users too who had
seen this. Lets hope its true and a 256m version does appear.
However with the price of 128 SM media currently being so cheap I'm
happy to change the cards over when one gets full...only takes
2secs...at least it reduces the chance of losing all your pics on a
large capacity card if it goes down.
I strongly doubt that even if a 256m SM version does appear
eventually that it will work with the 602 anyway without a
controller update, and Fuji never offer them... so its immaterial!
I noted in a email from Fuji recently which a forum user had
received when he queried this with Fuji, they stated the camera
was 100% compatible with SM cards up to 128m and microdrives, they
made no statement denying that a 256m was to be released which I
thought they would have done if the statement about a 256m version
becoming available was not true.... we shall have to wait and see.
:-))

Grandpa
The forum member that mentioned the note from Fuji twas me.

They said they had not yet verified whether or not the 256MB would work. I found it weird that they did not just say no if it is in-camera dependant and of course there are no software upgrades available.

I am not sure of availablility of the 256MB but I was given pricing on it a couple of months ago while I was getting my 128MB from my memory supplier (I am a reseller). It sounded as if it was already available but being non-returnable, I would not buy one to try it.

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Really? I doubt anyone will continue developing SmartMedia, Toshiba is the inventor, but Toshiba is going on with SD card now, Fuji and Olympus is the two biggest digital camera company using SmartMedia, but they turned to xD, who will continue developing SmartMedia?

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For xD: somebody here had mentioned that unlike things done to SmartMedia, Fuji had tested the compatibility of xD card in their new cameras up to 2GB, so if 256MB or larger xD comes out, the current Fuji xD cameras will support them.
 
Both CF and CF II (ie Microdrive) cards can be read straight from
the camera.
Well sure they can, but only with the camera software installed on your computer. Smartmedia can be read as an ejectable volume by the system software. No need for installs that can conflict with everything. I prefer to download that way then work with the files in Photoshop. Hard to forget the problems with the card reader drivers back a couple years ago.
 
Well sure they can, but only with the camera software installed on
your computer. Smartmedia can be read as an ejectable volume by the
system software.
This has nothing to do with SmartMedia vs. CompactFlash; it only depends on the camera's USB interface.
  • Michael
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