One beautifull system soon true?

Kyle Jones · Jun 16, 2011

If there are any pros left shooting Olympus gear, the move to an EVF would drive them away. There are types of photography where you spend a good deal of time looking through the viewfinder and shooting at key moments. With an EVF all that time at the viewfinder means you are also chewing through your batteries in order to keep the finder lit, the sensor functioning and the image processing CPU going. An optical finder needs no power; the camera can even go into sleep mode and you can still see through the finder.
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Fleabag · Jun 16, 2011

17oz camera with a 2 pound battery grip. Problem solved.
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Mr.NoFlash · Jun 16, 2011

Fleabag said:
17oz camera with a 2 pound battery grip. Problem solved.
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(a) the camera balances with bigger lenses if i get a 1 pound battery
(b) the live view energy problem is completely solved
(c) the camera looks more serious

But the battery (grip) should be very goodlooking with the camera, that means the camera form factor should be made in a way that its not a thin camera on a huge grip
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jkrumm · Jun 16, 2011

Now that I have an E5 I barely touch the 620, no matter what lens is on it, for pretty much any outing. This is because I really like the photos I get out of the E5, and because it's just more fun for me to use. I suspect, however, that I'd be much more likely to pick up a m43 camera like one of the Pens with the Panasonic 20 and some of the new primes just about to come out.

That, to me, makes a somewhat complementary system. However I agree with everyone who thinks they need one or two more larger cameras for the larger 4/3 lenses.

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Mrts · Jun 16, 2011

TorsteinH said:
A new rumor from 43 rumors says that Olympus has reinvented CD/AF to be on par with PDAF in their new m43 models to be announced on June 30.

Maybee this will make the merging of the 43 systems into one "beautifull system " pretty soon?

http://www.43rumors.com/ft5-olympus-reinvents-the-af-system-pen-autofocus-faster-than-any-other-mirrorless-cameras-and-faster-than-most-canon-dslr-autofocus/

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The problem is that the news has nothing to do with the FT system, as others already pointed out.

I actually see a negative connotation: It means that they have overcome one of the key obstacles of a CD-based system - the slow focusing speed. So another reason why to maintain the "legacy" FT system is now gone...

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DonParrot · Jun 16, 2011

TorsteinH said:
The world moves on, nothing last for ever. That FT lenses will be obsolete at one time in the future should supprise no one! If you want new and better products, the old ones will be obsolete. Thats like all other stuff you buy, like dishwasher, car, TV etc. etc. And I can use my old FT lenses on mFT when you have a second extra for focusing, whish is OK for 90 % of all my photos.

In understand your point of view, but - and that's a big but: At the Photokina, Terada San guaranteed that there will be - in a not exactly identified future - a mirrorless camera that will be able to make full use of the FT Zuikos and as long as they don't say that this was an error I keep on hoping that this camera will be launched somewhen in the coming three years.

Apart from that, there is not a single µFT lens - particularly when it comes to zooms - delivering on the same level as the wonderful FT Zuikos. So, they are far from being better products.

DonParrot · Jun 16, 2011

Timskis6 said:
Timskis6 said:

A new rumor from 43 rumors says that Olympus has reinvented CD/AF to be on par with PDAF in their new m43 models to be announced on June 30.

Maybee this will make the merging of the 43 systems into one "beautifull system " pretty soon?

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The last time Olympus made claims about AF was with the E-3 and 12-60mm: "world's fastest AF." Well, that might have been true in certain conditions, and I'll even hand it to them overall with that combo. But as it turned out, that was the only combo that ever lived up to that claim. No other lense on the E-3 performs as well, unfortunately (speed, accuracy, precision).

They made the same claim - and with good cause - regarding the E-5 with the 12-60.

DonParrot · Jun 16, 2011

Mrts said:
I actually see a negative connotation: It means that they have overcome one of the key obstacles of a CD-based system - the slow focusing speed. So another reason why to maintain the "legacy" FT system is now gone...

Not until the C-AF also works on the level of the E-5 or hopefully even the fastest Nikons and Canons.
Only then, FT will have become obsolete.

esco · Jun 16, 2011

I would LOVE a fast focusing micro camera. . .would make an awesome second body for many people already carrying a hefty kit, but when has olympus ever even matched the ca-f of even the enthusiasts canikon models?

I can already tell you from my experience oly's af was never quite there when compared to the big two so it just doesn't really convince me that they'll pull some miraculous things on thier consumer oriented stuff even if its on a more serious camera - they don't really have much of a true pro market to live up to so it's a hard spot to be in on wheather they can try to accomplish something that may never see enough gains to recoupe the costs and then some. . .it's why the system has been very slow to progress imo

DonParrot said:
Mrts said:

I actually see a negative connotation: It means that they have overcome one of the key obstacles of a CD-based system - the slow focusing speed. So another reason why to maintain the "legacy" FT system is now gone...

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Not until the C-AF also works on the level of the E-5 or hopefully even the fastest Nikons and Canons.
Only then, FT will have become obsolete.

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esco · Jun 16, 2011

Stujoe said:
That might be nice for someone coming into the system anew but it does nothing for me. Sounds like it (still) won't be fast with my 4/3rds lenses (only upcoming m43 lenses) so it has little benefit over looking at changing systems altogether. Plus, if they are using the name PEN, it is unlikely it will be a form factor that I would be interested in.

Could be a nice second body. . .buying a whole new slew of lenses might be a hard pill to swallow but I can see myself shooting wide-angle to standard focal ranges with FF and mild(300mm equivalence) tele range with micro body slinged around my shoulder and or for purely hobby and vacations. . .the issue is the tele's don't look like they'll be that small it seems and focusing becomes really crucial for the longer lenses

Stujoe said:
Also sounds like it is not much help to current PEN owners unless they are willing to buy new lenses plus the new body. Is that the way future upgrades are going to be...want a faster AF...buy new lenses when you upgrade your body? No thanks.

Deja'vu no? For the 4/3 owners to have gotten significantly faster focusing they needed to buy new bodies and new versions of the lenses they paid a good amount for. . .and for those that truly pushed an af system to it's limits it still wasn't quite up to snuff

Stujoe said:
Still holding out hope for Oly but it is fading fast. Good thing I don't 'need' a new camera. Eventually the 'want' will win out, though, and Oly isn't keeping themselves in the running.

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Stujoe · Jun 16, 2011

esco said:
Could be a nice second body. . .

I have tried numerous two camera combinations between compacts, bridge cams and multiple dSLRs. I always end up favoring the one I like the most and the second body or camera just sits and collects dust after a while. It may just be my own particular quirk but I am pretty much done with trying multiple cameras and systems. It is a fruitless endeavor for me. When it comes time, it will be a switch, not an addition.

esco said:
Deja'vu no? For the 4/3 owners to have gotten significantly faster focusing they needed to buy new bodies and new versions of the lenses they paid a good amount for. . .and for those that truly pushed an af system to it's limits it still wasn't quite up to snuff

Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me twice...well, you know the rest.

I actually came i late to the E-system so I never got burned with the fool me once. But, that doesn't mean I can't apply that to this go around and avoid the fool me twice.

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Entropius · Jun 16, 2011

That combination is tempting, but is there a teleconverter available for Pentax AF?

esco · Jun 16, 2011

Stujoe said:
esco said:

Could be a nice second body. . .

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I have tried numerous two camera combinations between compacts, bridge cams and multiple dSLRs. I always end up favoring the one I like the most and the second body or camera just sits and collects dust after a while. It may just be my own particular quirk but I am pretty much done with trying multiple cameras and systems. It is a fruitless endeavor for me. When it comes time, it will be a switch, not an addition.

It's definately understandable, there just seems to be a few scenarios where having a second body is a must for some. I used to do a lot of motorsports shooting and it was pretty much essential as you're often required to capture the overall scene through a wide angle all the while being ready to shoot the cars on the track with a tele about a second later. . .multiple systems can be a mess though I agree, at times I think to myself at how convenient it would be just to get the top tier rebel(they're essentially stuffing the same sensor and features of the pro cropped bodies but waiting a couple years to do it) to pair with my ff body. I guess my complete withdrawl from olympus is bound to happen sooner or later, who knows.

Stujoe said:
Stujoe said:

Deja'vu no? For the 4/3 owners to have gotten significantly faster focusing they needed to buy new bodies and new versions of the lenses they paid a good amount for. . .and for those that truly pushed an af system to it's limits it still wasn't quite up to snuff

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Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me twice...well, you know the rest. I actually came i late to the E-system so I never got burned with the fool me once. But, that doesn't mean I can't apply that to this go around and avoid the fool me twice.

Seems like there are more than a few that like being fooled

Stujoe said:
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Gregm61 · Jun 16, 2011

Entropius said:
That combination is tempting, but is there a teleconverter available for Pentax AF?

Nope. You'd have to buy a third-party teleconverter for them, which is a hole. I like my EC20. Just put this together that I've collected over the past week with my E5, 50-200 and EC20 at maximum zoom.

zigi_S · Jun 17, 2011

herebefore said:
TorsteinH said:

A new rumor from 43 rumors says that Olympus has reinvented CD/AF to be on par with PDAF in their new m43 models to be announced on June 30.

Maybee this will make the merging of the 43 systems into one "beautifull system " pretty soon?

http://www.43rumors.com/ft5-olympus-reinvents-the-af-system-pen-autofocus-faster-than-any-other-mirrorless-cameras-and-faster-than-most-canon-dslr-autofocus/

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No matter how fast the camera will focus, they still need to take care of the "visual delay" that is built in to a camera that uses an EVF.

In an EVF the scene you see in the VF lags "slightly" behind the scene in front of the camera.

But with an EVF you see what you get. With and OVF you don't. So neither system is without a flaw.

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ching43202 · Jun 17, 2011

An invitation card has been mailed to my friend at Taiwan where Olympus first introduced E5 in the whole world!

You are right. Maybe they are going to introduce the new EP3 and EPL3 with many new features to everyone!

We will see what's going on at June 30th which is not too far away from now!

100 is the same as 2011 and parties will be held at different cities in 3 days!

Joedif · Jun 17, 2011

ching43202 said:
An invitation card has been mailed to my friend at Taiwan where Olympus first introduced E5 in the whole world!

You are right. Maybe they are going to introduce the new EP3 and EPL3 with many new features to everyone!

We will see what's going on at June 30th which is not too far away from now!

100 is the same as 2011 and parties will be held at different cities in 3 days!

I think it's pretty obvious that they will be announcing the 3 new PEN bodies and the 2 new lenses. I'd expect this to be an all m4/3 event.

DonParrot · Jun 17, 2011

Joedif said:
ching43202 said:

An invitation card has been mailed to my friend at Taiwan where Olympus first introduced E5 in the whole world!

You are right. Maybe they are going to introduce the new EP3 and EPL3 with many new features to everyone!

We will see what's going on at June 30th which is not too far away from now!

100 is the same as 2011 and parties will be held at different cities in 3 days!

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I think it's pretty obvious that they will be announcing the 3 new PEN bodies and the 2 new lenses. I'd expect this to be an all m4/3 event.

Who knows if there won't be a surprise.

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