Pentax News about FF??

I saw a few D300 and D7000 unhappy users. They were ridiculed by the D700 user that they used the same lenses---and he is right.

I was just laughing.

Yes, again, D700 users are fine, so are D3000 users.
How would your aps-c investment be devalued in any way? Nikon and Canon have many happy aps-c customers who don't feel jilted by that company's FF activity.

Unless Pentax decided to give up on aps-c DSLR to go FF, MFD and mirrorless aps-c, which is a possibility, although (IMO) unlikely.

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Read this and consider

http://www.alphamountworld.com/forums/sony-news-and-rumors/end-road-sony-full-frame-bodies/2010-7/6093

Be a slap in the face for Nikon FF users if they are the end of the line.
How would your aps-c investment be devalued in any way? Nikon and Canon have many happy aps-c customers who don't feel jilted by that company's FF activity.
Canon and Nikon do not have anything resembling an APS-c line of lens Pentax only has a APS-c line of lens.

Ergo once a FF comes out on the same mount then any aps-C lens are not worth as much because of their limited functionality.
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This is quite a stretch - " Pentax will not come out with a FF body, because some percentage of DA Limited buyers who's lenses will not cover the FF circle will feel a sense of betrayal. " :)

It's interesting that you feel this way, and that also might explain some other folks seeming wish that Pentax not offer FF, but try to look at the upside to that - Hoya would be showing a real commitment to it's (currently small) DSLR division. You would feel more assurance that your favorite mount won't be going away altogether anytime soon. And you would have an exciting upgrade path available to you if you wish to take it.

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The Thom Hogan quote in that link is almost a year old :)

Really what's transpired is that Sony may drop development of their own FF bodies and concentrate on NEX-like offerings, not directly affecting what's getting punched out of those wafers for other manufacturers. Sony themselves have repeatedly denied this, and nothing new has come out (AFAIK) lending weight to the "Sony dropping FF bodies" rumour, much less the "Sony dropping FF sensors" rumour. There's also some renewed talk about Nikon taking the design over again themselves, using various fab facilities possibly including Sony capability.

Interestingly, In early 2011, Thom had not ruled out FF for Pentax (from his 2011 predictions) :

" Pentax . Full frame? Probably not, though if things pick up for them, that project might get quickly green-lighted. Mirrorless? Yes. "

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http://www.alphamountworld.com/forums/sony-news-and-rumors/end-road-sony-full-frame-bodies/2010-7/6093

Be a slap in the face for Nikon FF users if they are the end of the line.
How would your aps-c investment be devalued in any way? Nikon and Canon have many happy aps-c customers who don't feel jilted by that company's FF activity.
Canon and Nikon do not have anything resembling an APS-c line of lens Pentax only has a APS-c line of lens.

Ergo once a FF comes out on the same mount then any aps-C lens are not worth as much because of their limited functionality.
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This is quite a stretch - " Pentax will not come out with a FF body, because some percentage of DA Limited buyers who's lenses will not cover the FF circle will feel a sense of betrayal. " :)

It's interesting that you feel this way, and that also might explain some other folks seeming wish that Pentax not offer FF, but try to look at the upside to that - Hoya would be showing a real commitment to it's (currently small) DSLR division. You would feel more assurance that your favorite mount won't be going away altogether anytime soon. And you would have an exciting upgrade path available to you if you wish to take it.

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Frankly I see MFD as a niche market that has no hope of expanding significantly - the market for slow-fps, huge, $10000+ bodies is going to be limited to wealthy hobbiests and those who need to print poster-sized or larger (and are paid to do so.)
Funny, that's pretty much what I think of "full frame". Outside the photography forums, not a lot of people care about it, and APS-C has long passed the point where it is more than good enough for all but a few specialized applications.
 
Frankly I see MFD as a niche market that has no hope of expanding significantly - the market for slow-fps, huge, $10000+ bodies is going to be limited to wealthy hobbiests and those who need to print poster-sized or larger (and are paid to do so.)
Funny, that's pretty much what I think of "full frame". Outside the photography forums, not a lot of people care about it, and APS-C has long passed the point where it is more than good enough for all but a few specialized applications.
Huge difference between a super-fast-AF, smallish, $2300 D700 that can shoot the same lenses as an aps-c camera and a $10,000 (or $25,000, or $40,000) body that does not perform really well outside of pro portraiture, paid advertising and wealthy-hobbiest landscape applications (where it excels.) I think that before the 645D, the worldwide MFD market was something like 6000 units. Thom Hogan estimated maybe 100 or so 645Ds would be sold in the US in it's first year. MFD vs FF isn't apples vs oranges, it's blueberries vs watermelons.

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Any news from pentax regarding FF?
Furry Fritters? Flaming Flamingos? Funny Farts?
I stopped buying anything with pentax name on it some time ago until I see a clear future of pentax with the FF. So, I have not been reading pentax news lately.
So why are you reading Pentax forums? Other companies have a full frame camera. If you want one, go buy one.
He's trolling. Four posts until now, he joined yesterday, and immediately started this thread.

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Frankly I see MFD as a niche market that has no hope of expanding significantly - the market for slow-fps, huge, $10000+ bodies is going to be limited to wealthy hobbiests and those who need to print poster-sized or larger (and are paid to do so.)
Funny, that's pretty much what I think of "full frame". Outside the photography forums, not a lot of people care about it, and APS-C has long passed the point where it is more than good enough for all but a few specialized applications.
Huge difference between a super-fast-AF, smallish, $2300 D700 that can shoot the same lenses as an aps-c camera and a $10,000 (or $25,000, or $40,000) body that does not perform really well outside of pro portraiture, paid advertising and wealthy-hobbiest landscape applications (where it excels.) I think that before the 645D, the worldwide MFD market was something like 6000 units. Thom Hogan estimated maybe 100 or so 645Ds would be sold in the US in it's first year. MFD vs FF isn't apples vs oranges, it's blueberries vs watermelons.

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Late edit: I don't really mean to sound like I'm slamming the 645D, I think it's a neat machine and it was a gutsy move by Hoya to follow-through with that project.

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Late edit: I don't really mean to sound like I'm slamming the 645D, I think it's a neat machine and it was a gutsy move by Hoya to follow-through with that project.
And I don't mean to slam the "full-frame" DSLRs either. It's just that I think they'll become a niche as well, and not anywhere near as mainstream as the APS-C currently are.
 
The people that work for both companies.
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Late edit: I don't really mean to sound like I'm slamming the 645D, I think it's a neat machine and it was a gutsy move by Hoya to follow-through with that project.
And I don't mean to slam the "full-frame" DSLRs either. It's just that I think they'll become a niche as well, and not anywhere near as mainstream as the APS-C currently are.
So, in other words, it will stay in the position it is now?

aps-c DSLR, simply because of it's price point, is always going to be more 'mainstream'. Mirrorless will become even more mainstream than aps-c dslr, P&S and increasingly good camera phones even more mainstream yet.

FF provides an ultimate upgrade path for the enthusiast and remains the pro's format of choice (for those who don't want or need MFD - and maybe not for many telephoto apps.) I doubt that it will ever be 'mainstream' unless the body price comes down to the $1500 level, which it probably never will.

I maintain that it's just as likely that aps-c DSLR will be squeezed out from below by mirrorless aps-c (or perhaps a smaller format) and FF DSLR will remain as an upgrade tier above. It may come to pass that only the FF and MFD bodies will have mirrors.

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I maintain that it's just as likely that aps-c DSLR will be squeezed out from below by mirrorless aps-c (or perhaps a smaller format) and FF DSLR will remain as an upgrade tier above. It may come to pass that only the FF and MFD bodies will have mirrors.
I do agree on this point the aps-c DSLR days are numbered but they wont be squeezed out rather phased out.

As LCD screens improve to the point were lag and pixel density is indetinguishable from optical and CD reaches the point it can compete with PD then the dslr will evolve.

but this will apply to FF just as APS-c so is not really a point in this argument.
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Hey,

That guy reminds me someone...
Would Mr zoom-zoom be back ? ;)
You can't possibly join a forum as a brand new member with a name like this and post a troll "counter-advertising" post like that just for fun.
Of course he can! Thats what Trolls do.

So ... this seems to be a genuine Troll. Not many around these days. And it also seems to be a nice and friendly Troll.

And it seems that he is genuine Pentax guy having used film based Pentax equipment. And really thinks FF is important.

So - peace man! Genuine Trolls are currently nearly as extinct as FF Pentax bodies.

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FF is FF, and probably always will be a step up from APS. That's physics.

But, CaNikon have the advantages. Olympus and Panasonic have the advantages in 3/4. That's fine. Good for them.

Mirrorless, Panasonic/Oly/Sony have the leads right now. Not sure if Pentax has resources to compete with Sony or not. If it does, go for it. If not, no big deal.

Pentax is small, and now Kx and K5 are leading in APS. That's a good start. It should keep up the competitiveness here, do not drop it. More, make APS even better, and dominate if it can, and make Pentax a flagship name for the best APS bodies and APS lenses.
And I don't mean to slam the "full-frame" DSLRs either. It's just that I think they'll become a niche as well, and not anywhere near as mainstream as the APS-C currently are.
 
What a lot of people miss is the comercial aspect.

Pentax have made a mantra of NO FF from us.

Lots of people have invested heavily in APs-c lens based on these statments.

These people expect Pentax to invest heavily in aps-C and deliver bodies at the top end of this format.

If Pentax turned tail and invested in FF then these peole would be left feeling alienated and betrayed.
Why? How would this logically follow? Most aps-c users would feet gratified that Pentax/Hoya was investing more in the DSLR division and that they have a potential upgrade path.
So you've invested £5000 in aps-c body and lens that only work properly on aps-c.

Then your manufacturer who has repeatedly stated their investment will continue to be in aps-c for dlsr's suddenly changes tact and diverts resources to a FF dlsr development program.

Your going to feel gratified that all your investment is now obsoleted and its resale value has plummeted.!!
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How would your aps-c investment be devalued in any way? Nikon and Canon have many happy aps-c customers who don't feel jilted by that company's FF activity.
awaldram argument is so silly, it makes zero sense. When Pentax release 645D, did all APSC lens owners felt betrayed and were crying? Of course not. According to awaldram logic, they did!
 
awaldram argument is so silly, it makes zero sense. When Pentax release 645D, did all APSC lens owners felt betrayed and were crying? Of course not. According to awaldram logic, they did!
Don't put words in my mouth just because you fail to comprehend what I'm saying.

Your lack of commercial awareness shows in your comments.

Why would the 645d have any issue for APS-c k-mount users,? the 645d is no more a threat than Pentax P+S it is not a k-mount camera.

A FF offering from Pentax would come with a requirement for a new line of FF lens in K-mount this would put downward pressure on all non FF lens i.e all da series .

This is not silly it's as obvious as night and day to think otherwise is just blinkered.

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