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v steffel wrote:

But Locke did serve on the Board of Trade, and from the beginning of his career to the end was a member of the establishment.

What those quotes of your have to do with Anarchism is beyond me... :(

Now if you want to mention John Ball...

"Good People, things will never be well in England as long as good are not held in common. And so long as there are villeins and gentlemen. Why do they hold us in serfage? They go clothed in velvet and warm in their furs and their ermines while we are clothed in rags. They have wine and spices and fine bread; and we have oat cake and straw and water to drink. They have leisure and fine houses; and we have pain and labor; the rain and wind in the fields."

Of course he was hanged, drawn and quartered... :(

But it seems to me that he is more relevant than Locke and Hobbes.

Dave
 
v steffel said:
igb said:
v steffel said:
igb said:
v steffel said:
v steffel said:
None of that quotes (by guy too sure about their opinions?) support anything you said, not even the existence of chaos.
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It depends on what you know about chaos theory.
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Thanks for the laugh.
v steffel said:
But I guess from what you wrote that Hobbes knew nothing about the 30 Years' War let alone the English Civil Wars of the 1640s-50s.
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You are allowed to guess what you want since you're incapable of reaching logical conclusions but face it: your quotes were totally unrelated and did not prove the lie about delegation of powers.

Oh, and while a battlefield can be chaotic, a 30 year war is hardly anarchy.
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From what you wrote it seems that you are doing the guessing and leaping with faith. That would be appropriate since the religious wars were of ideology and faith.
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I see, now religion was the main reason.
v steffel said:
Moreover, Cromwell by then introduced a world of austere sanity.
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THAT was tongue in cheek, yes?
v steffel said:
v steffel said:
v steffel said:
v steffel said:
On another note, you may want to take into account that political theories are born in historical contexts and, maybe, just maybe, even St John Locke had masters to serve.
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On another note, Your St. John Locke actually wrote the work around 1681 not 1689. So let's see, who were his "masters to serve" back in that year?
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I was suggesting, mostly tongue in cheek, that his position in the Board of Trade and colonies might have influenced his views on property, liberty, etc. But -how was that?- I won't go there.
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It's becomes clear that you are not arguing logically but constantly jesting tongue in cheek. Such a cheeky fellow. Now how many cheeks do you really have?
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I 'm sure you'd like to see that, wouldn't you?
v steffel said:
More to the point, you St. John Locke seems to have been in France in the 1670s and then in the Netherlands in the mid 1680s. So, how is it that he was working for the Board of Trade during these years?
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I'm not following you. Are you contending that he had a position in there?

http://www.egs.edu/library/john-locke/biography/
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check: http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/345753/John-Locke/280601/Exile-in-France
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Okay... He was exiled in France, back to england, fled to Netherlands and returned with the Orange... Boy maybe I'm a bit dense but if you're trying to make a point I still don't get it. Would you be so kind as to walk me through it?
v steffel said:
v steffel said:
v steffel said:
Yes, we must bow before your altar of facts and logic.
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Your innuendos of sexual nature do not go unnoticed and, frankly, I find them disgusting. I don't know what kind of pervert you are but if you don't desist of that attitude I'm afraid I will have to report you for sexual harassment.
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You do have a vivid imagination.
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Do I, v? Do I?
v steffel said:
But go ahead and report me. So much for human understanding.
v steffel said:
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Revolutionaries get no respect!
If they lose.

It's a good thing His Magesty's Government did not get their hands on this image!





Rogues, Revolutionaries, and Traitors the lot of them!

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And, all over the internet, it's said she or her followers have tried to get at least one popular/major online encyclopedia service changed to match her account of history. :|

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BRJR said:
And, all over the internet, it's said she or her followers have tried to get at least one popular/major online encyclopedia service changed to match her account of history. :|

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That's even more ridiculous than the closing date for Gitmo—2009.

Sorry, you win : )
 
Chato said:
v steffel wrote:

But Locke did serve on the Board of Trade, and from the beginning of his career to the end was a member of the establishment.
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The fact was not denied. But we don't want to write history like Sarah Palin--set up the sequence of facts to suit our purposes. Wasn't he in exile when he wrote his treatises? >
Chato said:
What those quotes of your have to do with Anarchism is beyond me... :(
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There once was a 'state of nature' or a time without government.

And don't forget our friend Peter Kropotkin.
Chato said:
Now if you want to mention John Ball...

"Good People, things will never be well in England as long as good are not held in common. And so long as there are villeins and gentlemen. Why do they hold us in serfage? They go clothed in velvet and warm in their furs and their ermines while we are clothed in rags. They have wine and spices and fine bread; and we have oat cake and straw and water to drink. They have leisure and fine houses; and we have pain and labor; the rain and wind in the fields."

Of course he was hanged, drawn and quartered... :(

But it seems to me that he is more relevant than Locke and Hobbes.
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Ah, I prefer the Levellers and Diggers. And they did influence the outcome of the revolution.
Chato said:
Dave
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igb said:
v steffel said:
igb said:
v steffel said:
igb said:
igb said:
igb said:
None of that quotes (by guy too sure about their opinions?) support anything you said, not even the existence of chaos.
Click to expand...
It depends on what you know about chaos theory.
Click to expand...
Thanks for the laugh.
igb said:
But I guess from what you wrote that Hobbes knew nothing about the 30 Years' War let alone the English Civil Wars of the 1640s-50s.
Click to expand...
You are allowed to guess what you want since you're incapable of reaching logical conclusions but face it: your quotes were totally unrelated and did not prove the lie about delegation of powers.

Oh, and while a battlefield can be chaotic, a 30 year war is hardly anarchy.
Click to expand...
From what you wrote it seems that you are doing the guessing and leaping with faith. That would be appropriate since the religious wars were of ideology and faith.
Click to expand...
I see, now religion was the main reason.
igb said:
Moreover, Cromwell by then introduced a world of austere sanity.
Click to expand...
THAT was tongue in cheek, yes?
igb said:
igb said:
igb said:
igb said:
On another note, you may want to take into account that political theories are born in historical contexts and, maybe, just maybe, even St John Locke had masters to serve.
Click to expand...
On another note, Your St. John Locke actually wrote the work around 1681 not 1689. So let's see, who were his "masters to serve" back in that year?
Click to expand...
I was suggesting, mostly tongue in cheek, that his position in the Board of Trade and colonies might have influenced his views on property, liberty, etc. But -how was that?- I won't go there.
Click to expand...
It's becomes clear that you are not arguing logically but constantly jesting tongue in cheek. Such a cheeky fellow. Now how many cheeks do you really have?
Click to expand...
I 'm sure you'd like to see that, wouldn't you?
igb said:
More to the point, you St. John Locke seems to have been in France in the 1670s and then in the Netherlands in the mid 1680s. So, how is it that he was working for the Board of Trade during these years?
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I'm not following you. Are you contending that he had a position in there?

http://www.egs.edu/library/john-locke/biography/
Click to expand...
check: http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/345753/John-Locke/280601/Exile-in-France
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Okay... He was exiled in France, back to england, fled to Netherlands and returned with the Orange... Boy maybe I'm a bit dense but if you're trying to make a point I still don't get it. Would you be so kind as to walk me through it?
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Oh, I wouldn't say that you are dense; rather you are clever.

Simply, don't we need an accurate sequence of facts? Or do we need the Sarah Palins writing history?

If Locke wrote his treatises in 1681, then they weren't in defence of the Glorious Revolution of 1688 or the Establishment. Again, if he wrote it in 1681 he wasn't defending the monarchy of Charles II, or was he?

Why was he in exile? Oh, the Establishment.
igb said:
igb said:
igb said:
igb said:
Yes, we must bow before your altar of facts and logic.
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Your innuendos of sexual nature do not go unnoticed and, frankly, I find them disgusting. I don't know what kind of pervert you are but if you don't desist of that attitude I'm afraid I will have to report you for sexual harassment.
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You do have a vivid imagination.
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Do I, v? Do I?
igb said:
But go ahead and report me. So much for human understanding.
igb said:
--

No theory, no ready-made system, no book that has ever been written will save the world. I cleave to no system (Mikhail Bakunin on Brand Wars)
Click to expand...
Kropotkin, Mutualism
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vsteffel
frame frame! shoot shoot! sauvette!
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--

No theory, no ready-made system, no book that has ever been written will save the world. I cleave to no system (Mikhail Bakunin on Brand Wars)
Click to expand...
--
vsteffel
frame frame! shoot shoot! sauvette!
 
v steffel said:
Chato said:
v steffel wrote:

But Locke did serve on the Board of Trade, and from the beginning of his career to the end was a member of the establishment.
Click to expand...
The fact was not denied. But we don't want to write history like Sarah Palin--set up the sequence of facts to suit our purposes. Wasn't he in exile when he wrote his treatises? >
v steffel said:
What those quotes of your have to do with Anarchism is beyond me... :(
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There once was a 'state of nature' or a time without government.

And don't forget our friend Peter Kropotkin.
v steffel said:
Now if you want to mention John Ball...

"Good People, things will never be well in England as long as good are not held in common. And so long as there are villeins and gentlemen. Why do they hold us in serfage? They go clothed in velvet and warm in their furs and their ermines while we are clothed in rags. They have wine and spices and fine bread; and we have oat cake and straw and water to drink. They have leisure and fine houses; and we have pain and labor; the rain and wind in the fields."

Of course he was hanged, drawn and quartered... :(

But it seems to me that he is more relevant than Locke and Hobbes.
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Ah, I prefer the Levellers and Diggers. And they did influence the outcome of the revolution.
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Well yes, if you consider they were either dead or imprisoned or exported to Barbadoes. It was Lockes father who fought in the Civil War, not Locke.

But even so, why not quote from Them, and not Locke?

Cromwell had little influence on Anarchist thought - But he DID have a huge influence on the American Constitution. He was proof positive that "The road to hell is paved with good intentions." :)

William Morris influenced Anarchist thought. He wrote a book called, (if my memory still functions) "A dream of John Ball"

Dave
 
Laurentiu Todie said:
BRJR said:
1. I certainly don't condone any of this from either side, in this case; but, on the other hand, in the USA, we have never liked "snitches"; and, we also know, the media tends to get it wrong, more so than correct, when it comes to their commentaries, either right or left arguements (though, seemingly more so on the "right", from what I am seeing). ;)
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Oh, no, you won't get away with such an undocumented attack : )

In my opinion when a liberal journalist is stupid it's just pathetic,

but when he/she/it has a little intelligence he/she/it is a jerk, possibly a criminal.

How many trees do you think passed to make paper to print Sarah's emails for those jerks to sift through like rats in the trash?



http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/tobyharnden/100091820/american-way-sarah-palin-email-frenzy-backfires-on-her-media-antagonists/

Next time you make an aggressive statement of that nature, think about it first!

Contrary to common liberal belief, freedom of speech is not your exclusive property.
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Wow she made it into the Guardian and the Telegraph in the same week, she should think about running for PM instead:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jun/09/margaret-thatcher-sarah-palin-meeting
 
v steffel said:
igb said:
v steffel said:
igb said:
v steffel said:
igb said:
v steffel said:
v steffel said:
None of that quotes (by guy too sure about their opinions?) support anything you said, not even the existence of chaos.
Click to expand...
It depends on what you know about chaos theory.
Click to expand...
Thanks for the laugh.
v steffel said:
But I guess from what you wrote that Hobbes knew nothing about the 30 Years' War let alone the English Civil Wars of the 1640s-50s.
Click to expand...
You are allowed to guess what you want since you're incapable of reaching logical conclusions but face it: your quotes were totally unrelated and did not prove the lie about delegation of powers.

Oh, and while a battlefield can be chaotic, a 30 year war is hardly anarchy.
Click to expand...
From what you wrote it seems that you are doing the guessing and leaping with faith. That would be appropriate since the religious wars were of ideology and faith.
Click to expand...
I see, now religion was the main reason.
v steffel said:
Moreover, Cromwell by then introduced a world of austere sanity.
Click to expand...
THAT was tongue in cheek, yes?
v steffel said:
v steffel said:
v steffel said:
v steffel said:
On another note, you may want to take into account that political theories are born in historical contexts and, maybe, just maybe, even St John Locke had masters to serve.
Click to expand...
On another note, Your St. John Locke actually wrote the work around 1681 not 1689. So let's see, who were his "masters to serve" back in that year?
Click to expand...
I was suggesting, mostly tongue in cheek, that his position in the Board of Trade and colonies might have influenced his views on property, liberty, etc. But -how was that?- I won't go there.
Click to expand...
It's becomes clear that you are not arguing logically but constantly jesting tongue in cheek. Such a cheeky fellow. Now how many cheeks do you really have?
Click to expand...
I 'm sure you'd like to see that, wouldn't you?
v steffel said:
More to the point, you St. John Locke seems to have been in France in the 1670s and then in the Netherlands in the mid 1680s. So, how is it that he was working for the Board of Trade during these years?
Click to expand...
I'm not following you. Are you contending that he had a position in there?

http://www.egs.edu/library/john-locke/biography/
Click to expand...
check: http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/345753/John-Locke/280601/Exile-in-France
Click to expand...
Okay... He was exiled in France, back to england, fled to Netherlands and returned with the Orange... Boy maybe I'm a bit dense but if you're trying to make a point I still don't get it. Would you be so kind as to walk me through it?
Click to expand...
Oh, I wouldn't say that you are dense; rather you are clever.

Simply, don't we need an accurate sequence of facts? Or do we need the Sarah Palins writing history?

If Locke wrote his treatises in 1681, then they weren't in defence of the Glorious Revolution of 1688 or the Establishment. Again, if he wrote it in 1681 he wasn't defending the monarchy of Charles II, or was he?

Why was he in exile? Oh, the Establishment.
Click to expand...
My snide remark was to suggest that his alignment with the mercantililist faction may had to do, rather than with philosophical postions, with more mundane interests.

Serves me well for falling for trap, though. There should be a rule to prevent off topic subthreads or something.
v steffel said:
v steffel said:
v steffel said:
v steffel said:
v steffel said:
Yes, we must bow before your altar of facts and logic.
Click to expand...
Your innuendos of sexual nature do not go unnoticed and, frankly, I find them disgusting. I don't know what kind of pervert you are but if you don't desist of that attitude I'm afraid I will have to report you for sexual harassment.
Click to expand...
You do have a vivid imagination.
Click to expand...
Do I, v? Do I?
v steffel said:
But go ahead and report me. So much for human understanding.
v steffel said:
--

No theory, no ready-made system, no book that has ever been written will save the world. I cleave to no system (Mikhail Bakunin on Brand Wars)
Click to expand...
Kropotkin, Mutualism
--
vsteffel
frame frame! shoot shoot! sauvette!
Click to expand...
--

No theory, no ready-made system, no book that has ever been written will save the world. I cleave to no system (Mikhail Bakunin on Brand Wars)
Click to expand...
--
vsteffel
frame frame! shoot shoot! sauvette!
Click to expand...
--

No theory, no ready-made system, no book that has ever been written will save the world. I cleave to no system (Mikhail Bakunin on Brand Wars)
 
Wellington100 wrote:
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Wellington100 said:
Wow she made it into the Guardian and the Telegraph in the same week, she should think about running for PM instead:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jun/09/margaret-thatcher-sarah-palin-meeting
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The jackals were hoping for a juicy bone
but to their only credit that I can think of
they published the unexpected by them conclusion anyway
to justify expenses to the shareholders.

I would've voted for Tony Blair as president of the US instead of Obama,
so why not Sarah as the British PM? (that would be real Internationalism)
 
Sorry, there was no trap.
I was trying to follow your "logic" and use of facts to explain events.

By the way, this discussion was no more off track than most in this thread.

The original topic was about photographers not philosophers and how they get waylaid by vandals aka anarchists.

Have a good day.
igb said:
v steffel said:
igb said:
v steffel said:
igb said:
v steffel said:
igb said:
igb said:
igb said:
None of that quotes (by guy too sure about their opinions?) support anything you said, not even the existence of chaos.
Click to expand...
It depends on what you know about chaos theory.
Click to expand...
Thanks for the laugh.
igb said:
But I guess from what you wrote that Hobbes knew nothing about the 30 Years' War let alone the English Civil Wars of the 1640s-50s.
Click to expand...
You are allowed to guess what you want since you're incapable of reaching logical conclusions but face it: your quotes were totally unrelated and did not prove the lie about delegation of powers.

Oh, and while a battlefield can be chaotic, a 30 year war is hardly anarchy.
Click to expand...
From what you wrote it seems that you are doing the guessing and leaping with faith. That would be appropriate since the religious wars were of ideology and faith.
Click to expand...
I see, now religion was the main reason.
igb said:
Moreover, Cromwell by then introduced a world of austere sanity.
Click to expand...
THAT was tongue in cheek, yes?
igb said:
igb said:
igb said:
igb said:
On another note, you may want to take into account that political theories are born in historical contexts and, maybe, just maybe, even St John Locke had masters to serve.
Click to expand...
On another note, Your St. John Locke actually wrote the work around 1681 not 1689. So let's see, who were his "masters to serve" back in that year?
Click to expand...
I was suggesting, mostly tongue in cheek, that his position in the Board of Trade and colonies might have influenced his views on property, liberty, etc. But -how was that?- I won't go there.
Click to expand...
It's becomes clear that you are not arguing logically but constantly jesting tongue in cheek. Such a cheeky fellow. Now how many cheeks do you really have?
Click to expand...
I 'm sure you'd like to see that, wouldn't you?
igb said:
More to the point, you St. John Locke seems to have been in France in the 1670s and then in the Netherlands in the mid 1680s. So, how is it that he was working for the Board of Trade during these years?
Click to expand...
I'm not following you. Are you contending that he had a position in there?

http://www.egs.edu/library/john-locke/biography/
Click to expand...
check: http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/345753/John-Locke/280601/Exile-in-France
Click to expand...
Okay... He was exiled in France, back to england, fled to Netherlands and returned with the Orange... Boy maybe I'm a bit dense but if you're trying to make a point I still don't get it. Would you be so kind as to walk me through it?
Click to expand...
Oh, I wouldn't say that you are dense; rather you are clever.

Simply, don't we need an accurate sequence of facts? Or do we need the Sarah Palins writing history?

If Locke wrote his treatises in 1681, then they weren't in defence of the Glorious Revolution of 1688 or the Establishment. Again, if he wrote it in 1681 he wasn't defending the monarchy of Charles II, or was he?

Why was he in exile? Oh, the Establishment.
Click to expand...
My snide remark was to suggest that his alignment with the mercantililist faction may had to do, rather than with philosophical postions, with more mundane interests.

Serves me well for falling for trap, though. There should be a rule to prevent off topic subthreads or something.
igb said:
igb said:
igb said:
igb said:
igb said:
Yes, we must bow before your altar of facts and logic.
Click to expand...
Your innuendos of sexual nature do not go unnoticed and, frankly, I find them disgusting. I don't know what kind of pervert you are but if you don't desist of that attitude I'm afraid I will have to report you for sexual harassment.
Click to expand...
You do have a vivid imagination.
Click to expand...
Do I, v? Do I?
igb said:
But go ahead and report me. So much for human understanding.
igb said:
--

No theory, no ready-made system, no book that has ever been written will save the world. I cleave to no system (Mikhail Bakunin on Brand Wars)
Click to expand...
Kropotkin, Mutualism
--
vsteffel
frame frame! shoot shoot! sauvette!
Click to expand...
--

No theory, no ready-made system, no book that has ever been written will save the world. I cleave to no system (Mikhail Bakunin on Brand Wars)
Click to expand...
--
vsteffel
frame frame! shoot shoot! sauvette!
Click to expand...
--

No theory, no ready-made system, no book that has ever been written will save the world. I cleave to no system (Mikhail Bakunin on Brand Wars)
Click to expand...
--
vsteffel
frame frame! shoot shoot! sauvette!
 
I was hoping this thread would have slipped off the front page days ago.

I apologize for starting it.

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Good cyclists are:
Visible, Predictable, Alert, Assertive and Courteous

They also use the five layers of protection available.
Layer 1: Control your bike
Layer 2: Know and follow the rules of the road
Layer 3: Ride in the smartest lane position
Layer 4: Manage hazards skillfully
Layer 5: Utilize passive protection.

Chris, Broussard, LA
 
Well gee, thanks Dave.
Chato said:
bikinchris said:
I was hoping this thread would have slipped off the front page days ago.

I apologize for starting it.
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And to suck up to management I already complained about you starting this thread... :(

Dave
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Good cyclists are:
Visible, Predictable, Alert, Assertive and Courteous

They also use the five layers of protection available.
Layer 1: Control your bike
Layer 2: Know and follow the rules of the road
Layer 3: Ride in the smartest lane position
Layer 4: Manage hazards skillfully
Layer 5: Utilize passive protection.

Chris, Broussard, LA
 
bikinchris said:
Chato said:
bikinchris said:
I was hoping this thread would have slipped off the front page days ago.

I apologize for starting it.
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And to suck up to management I already complained about you starting this thread... :(

Dave
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--
Good cyclists are:
Visible, Predictable, Alert, Assertive and Courteous

They also use the five layers of protection available.
Layer 1: Control your bike
Layer 2: Know and follow the rules of the road
Layer 3: Ride in the smartest lane position
Layer 4: Manage hazards skillfully
Layer 5: Utilize passive protection.

Chris, Broussard, LA
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sore losers don't like debate with real arguments
 
Laurentiu Todie said:
bikinchris said:
Chato said:
bikinchris said:
I was hoping this thread would have slipped off the front page days ago.

I apologize for starting it.
Click to expand...
And to suck up to management I already complained about you starting this thread... :(

Dave
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--
Good cyclists are:
Visible, Predictable, Alert, Assertive and Courteous

They also use the five layers of protection available.
Layer 1: Control your bike
Layer 2: Know and follow the rules of the road
Layer 3: Ride in the smartest lane position
Layer 4: Manage hazards skillfully
Layer 5: Utilize passive protection.

Chris, Broussard, LA
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sore losers don't like debate with real arguments
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Never being wrong, Mr. Todie has no visible sense of humour... :(

Dave
 
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Burn!
:)
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