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Just watched the Apple video about the new OS. I don't think I'll be rushing to upgrade when it comes out. It looks like they just turned the lap and desk top Apples into iPad and iPhones.
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Just watched the Apple video about the new OS. I don't think I'll be rushing to upgrade when it comes out. It looks like they just turned the lap and desk top Apples into iPad and iPhones.
I'd recommend you watch it again as you missed a huge amount.
 
Not yet, but that's obviously where they're headed.
 
It looks like they've only added features, but haven't taken any away. Appears to be well worth $29 once it's been well tested.

Sal
 
Did I? What did I miss? I never said there were no new features, just that they were all like those already implemented on their smaller devices.
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Jules
Just watched the Apple video about the new OS. I don't think I'll be rushing to upgrade when it comes out. It looks like they just turned the lap and desk top Apples into iPad and iPhones.
I'd recommend you watch it again as you missed a huge amount.
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There are over 20 million Mac owners. Nice little earner isn't it?
Jules
It looks like they've only added features, but haven't taken any away. Appears to be well worth $29 once it's been well tested.

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I think we all need to take some time to study what has been presented and fully digest it. There is a lot more synergy now between iOS and OS X, but none of the essential "operating system" features and been removed, and many have been greatly enhanced. Frankly, I think one of the biggest changes is the auto save, resume, and versioning capabilites. Many of the iOS overlays are frankly designed to assist those who are "comoputer challenged", and that is never a bad thing, especially when it subtracts nothing from the rest of us. The iCloud implications are huge, as they "disconnect" iOS devices from a parent PC. There are really huge implications in the combination of announcements, that, IMHO will change computing paradigms as we move into the future.

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IMHO will change computing paradigms as we move into the future.
I also wrote that about 50 minutes ago, and then edited it to avoid the word 'paradigm' as I can no longer bring myself to use it. It's become the number 1 word in bullsh*t bingo and has become an instant turn-off. I agree with the sentiment though!

-Najinsky
 
I hope they have updated the functionality of Time Machine. I have been using it, as in backing up to it, for four years. Only this week after a hard drive failure have i needed to actually use it. I have discovered that although it does save files and folders, the search method to find them does not work. See
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1017&message=38578468

this thread for an account. I have yet to search for a file or folder and it find it.
Jules
I think we all need to take some time to study what has been presented and fully digest it. There is a lot more synergy now between iOS and OS X, but none of the essential "operating system" features and been removed, and many have been greatly enhanced. Frankly, I think one of the biggest changes is the auto save, resume, and versioning capabilites. Many of the iOS overlays are frankly designed to assist those who are "comoputer challenged", and that is never a bad thing, especially when it subtracts nothing from the rest of us. The iCloud implications are huge, as they "disconnect" iOS devices from a parent PC. There are really huge implications in the combination of announcements, that, IMHO will change computing paradigms as we move into the future.

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Just watched the Apple video about the new OS. I don't think I'll be rushing to upgrade when it comes out. It looks like they just turned the lap and desk top Apples into iPad and iPhones.
I have only used portable Macs for the last 5 years or so (except when using friends/family minis and imacs). Although it's always a showcase when Steve takes the stage, this was the WWDC and as both a developer and user I like this refresh a lot:

1) 'Little things' like full screen apps and the intelligent and intuitive ways to manage them are actually 'big things' for me. In some apps, every pixel of screen real estate becomes precious.

2) After the recent (overblown) OS X security concerns and my hands on experience with android, I appreciate the comfort of App store and cloud syncing, and the focus on evolving the UI in a consistent fashion across the OS.

3) As a developer I appreciate that these enhancements are easily programmable and deployable via over 5000 new APIs (Application Programming Interfaces).

4) My original motivation for moving to Mac (though still developing for windows for a large part of my paid work) was how much easier it was to get real stuff done, eg: using apps, not managing them or the OS. As I spend more and more time on the move, so more and more of my time has recently been spent managing and syncing apps and data between different environments. So I think the focus of this update is spot on, although I do share Conchita's concerns that bandwidth everywhere is not up to some of Apples solutions (however third party apps spring up daily to deal with the most serious issues).

5) In my experience I find that developers are, by necessity, ahead of the curve. And I have observed this so many times that I am as certain as I can be that the users will be following right behind. So while end users may not initially see how they benefit from some of this stuff, the next time they upgrade their software and find it really does enhances their digital life (I lose points for that phrase I'm sure!) it will be thanks to the developer focussed elements of this update (like the 5000 APIs).

-Najinsky
 
I hope they have updated the functionality of Time Machine. I have been using it, as in backing up to it, for four years. Only this week after a hard drive failure have i needed to actually use it. I have discovered that although it does save files and folders, the search method to find them does not work.
I think you need to make a call on this thread Jules. Do you want it to be about your inability to understand Lion and iOS5, or your inability to understand how to use a backup tool you chose to rely on for 4 years? If you try to make it about both, I'm pretty sure you'll get confused.

Why not leave this one about Lion, and let the time machine one play out in the other thread you started. Besides, I order a lot of popcorn when how I saw how that other thread was evolving.
-Najinsky
 
I didn't upgrade to snow leopard, which saved me a few dollars. But, will I have to buy that so one I can now buy Lion? The Apple site for New Zealand suggests I might.
Lion will be available for $29.99 US from the Mac App Store. The Mac App Store is an app which lists its requirements as OS X Snow Leopard. So if you don't have Snow Leopard you presumably don't have the App Store app, so you won't be able to buy Lion from there.

They might make Lion available on DVD later, but they didn't announce this or a price yet.

Snow Leopard was a $20 update that fixed an enormous number of bugs, removed tons of redundant OS code (6GB removed on my disk) and introduced performance enhancing new technology. Wherever you got your advice not to upgrade, stop reading! (half tongue in cheek, I do realise an OS upgrade can be a daunting task and if it ain't broke don't fix it). Perhaps now Lion is announced, you can find SL on ebay even cheaper.

-Najinsky
 
Just watched the Apple video about the new OS. I don't think I'll be rushing to upgrade when it comes out. It looks like they just turned the lap and desk top Apples into iPad and iPhones.
Well, they were telling about that a lot, however Lion is just a very small step from Snow Leopard towards iOS. It is still desktop OS and it has some nice features which Snow Leopard doesn't.

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Snow Leopard was a $20 update
$29.99 for Leopard owners (and that included a DVD). More ($129 to $169) if you were coming from an Intel-based system running Tiger, and needed to buy the Mac Box Set (Snow Leopard + iLife + iWork).
 
Thanks guys.

I'm on 10.5.8 right now. Upgrading to Snow Leopard and Lion for say $40 wouldn't faze me, but I'd seen a $129 price for Snow Leopard and paused. I no doubt misunderstood at the time. Also, there were some problems reported with SL and the Nik Plug-ins for Aperture, which really scared me big time.

I know a bit about photography but not so much about MacOS, as you no doubt guessed.

Cheers

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I'm going to have to agree for the most part with the original poster. There is one, and only one major reason to upgrade to Lion...if you want to use iCloud. Most everything else is little more than the iOS-ification of the Mac. Depending on your preference, that's either a good thing or a bad. I find most of it pointless on a regular sized computer screen.
1) 'Little things' like full screen apps and the intelligent and intuitive ways to manage them are actually 'big things' for me. In some apps, every pixel of screen real estate becomes precious.
There was nothing preventing developers from creating full-screen apps now...witness Aperture. Yes, Lion makes it a bit easier; but it's hardly essential for making full-screen apps. Also, bear in mind that other than the pixel peeping that we here do, the average user isn't all that hard-up for screen real estate on a computer (mobile devices yes, but not on a regular computer). Just how many pixels do we need to read email and surf the web, which is what most users spend most of their time doing.
2) After the recent (overblown) OS X security concerns and my hands on experience with android, I appreciate the comfort of App store and cloud syncing, and the focus on evolving the UI in a consistent fashion across the OS.
You don't need Lion to use the Mac App Store. As far as UI consistency, that remains to be seen. I've been using Macs for over 20 years and the current UI is about as inconsistent as it has ever been (not counting Mac OS X 10.0 which was a horrid mess!). Lion is just adding yet another variation to the UI, likely leading to even more fragmentation of the UI.
3) As a developer I appreciate that these enhancements are easily programmable and deployable via over 5000 new APIs (Application Programming Interfaces).
No argument there.
4) My original motivation for moving to Mac (though still developing for windows for a large part of my paid work) was how much easier it was to get real stuff done, eg: using apps, not managing them or the OS. As I spend more and more time on the move, so more and more of my time has recently been spent managing and syncing apps and data between different environments. So I think the focus of this update is spot on, although I do share Conchita's concerns that bandwidth everywhere is not up to some of Apples solutions (however third party apps spring up daily to deal with the most serious issues).
Yes, iCloud is a big "feature". But there's really no reason it had to be tied exclusively to Lion other than to force users to upgrade. Some of us can't, for various reasons, upgrade to Lion. And with Apple phasing out MobileMe in June of 2012, they are replacing it with something that won't be usable on a Mac sold less than a year earlier and a mobile device sold less than 9 months earlier. Not without upgrading the OS, which as I stated, some of us can't do (see below). Both Vista and Windows 7 will be supported, but Snow Leopard (by all evidence currently available) won't be. So Apple is saying that Microsoft's OS released years ago is more compatible than what they are currently selling.
5) In my experience I find that developers are, by necessity, ahead of the curve. And I have observed this so many times that I am as certain as I can be that the users will be following right behind. So while end users may not initially see how they benefit from some of this stuff, the next time they upgrade their software and find it really does enhances their digital life (I lose points for that phrase I'm sure!) it will be thanks to the developer focussed elements of this update (like the 5000 APIs).
Forced obsolescence is sometimes necessary, but abandoning technology they were still selling mere months earlier is unacceptable.

As for the point above about not being able to upgrade to Lion. I'm not talking about old hardware. A previous poster said nothing was taken away with Lion. There are some fairly significant things being taken away. Chief among them is Rosetta, the technology that let's you run older software. Not ancient software. Software that was being sold only a few years ago, including by Apple. If you have any PPC software, even if only minor components are PPC, it won't work in Lion. Are all your Photoshop plugin's Intel native? The software that came with your scanner probably won't work at all. How old is your printer and the driver software it came with? And forget about running your Quicken financial software (I'm talking the "regular" Quicken, not the "lite" version they now sell).

Lion could be the most painful Mac OS upgrade you've ever done, especially if you've been using Macs and have software from more than a few years ago. And Apple's not telling anyone about the loss of Rosetta. Users will find out the hard way that some of their software will no longer run. Sooner or later Apple is going to force me to upgrade because I'll want to get the latest iToy. But for now, I'll remain firmly in the "no thanks" column when it comes to Lion. Too much lost in exchange for very little (of use to me) in return.
 
Just watched the Apple video about the new OS. I don't think I'll be rushing to upgrade when it comes out. It looks like they just turned the lap and desk top Apples into iPad and iPhones.
No, they've added some functionality that looks something like, and was first prove on, recent iOS features.

It's not even close to the same thing as "turning the Mac into an iPhone/iPad".

For starters, consider that features and functionality have not been removed to coincide with the limitations of iOS devices.

Lion had a lot that should make your workflow faster and more effective than it is right now. It just looks a little more like one of the handheld devices than it does now.
 

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