2.5 years later, where are the fast lenses?

What I would like to see:

Panasonic 50mm f1.4 with IS priced near the 20mm f1.7 (under $400), that is optimized for video (fast quiet AF motor). Even f1.7 or f2 would do...
This would be a great portrait lens and an awesome indoor video lens.
Yes, everyone is waiting for a fast and affordable portrait lens. I don't think olympus is going to deliver because they usually go for small size, which means slow speed in terms of lenses. I think 50 mm f/2.0 would be sufficient, but hey it can't be fast and cheap enough.

I wonder why they haven't filled this most obvious gap yet. Instead they went for a 3D lens, which I find completely useless, yes that's just me;-)
 
I wonder why they haven't filled this most obvious gap yet. Instead they went for a 3D lens, which I find completely useless, yes that's just me;-)
Nope, not just you I agree totally :)
Jim
 
fast enough for you?

There are dozens of f 2.8 or faster lenses available for u 4/3 cameras. 50mm f/1.8 or 1.4 lenses for example are quite plentiful and inexpensive.

I own a simialr lens, a Minolta Rokkor 40mm f/2.0.





Open your mind, free your lens!

Tedolph
 
It seems the m4/3 finally is getting a decent foothold. I've been seeing more and more Pens and Panasonics out on the trail recently and just yesterday I saw somebody shooting at an event with a GH2.

Still, it's been 2 1/2 years since m4/3 came out and by my count there are only 2 native lenses faster than f/2.8 (Panasonic 20/1.7 and 14/2.5). The situation is even worse with the zooms - there's only one constant aperture zoom (the 7-14/4) and no native zoom faster than f/3.5. Obviously m4/3 isn't aimed at the high-end yet, but it would be nice if the system were at least competitive with low end APS-C. Considering that the sensors are 1-1 1/3 stops worse, that would mean 1-stop faster zooms, that would mean something like a 14-42/2.5-4.0 to equal an 18-55/3.5-5.6.

I like my E-P2 and 20/1.7 a lot, but it's getting frustrating waiting for good native lenses, like a portrait prime or a high quality standard zoom. The prices have also remained quite high on the consumer lenses. I'm sure the Olympus 75-300 is a decent lens, but $800 for a lens that hits f/6.7 at the long end is a bit hard to swallow.

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Yeah, I would love a F2.8 tele zoom...
 
In my opinion Panasonic and Olympus need a kick from Sigma who have said they are going to start producing m43 lenses. Sigma produce decent quality and good value lenses that already fill out and compete with the Nikon/Canon lines. There is a great opportunity for them to break into the m43 market if they do the same there.
 
In my opinion Panasonic and Olympus need a kick from Sigma who have said they are going to start producing m43 lenses. Sigma produce decent quality and good value lenses that already fill out and compete with the Nikon/Canon lines. There is a great opportunity for them to break into the m43 market if they do the same there.
May not be anytime soon.. Sigma was able to adapt their APS-C lenses for 4/3 because fundamentally the 4/3 system was not mirrorless and was using PDAF. But for the m4/3 system, CDAF is something that Sigma may need to develop from scratch or at least spend time fine tuning.. hence, it'll be a long time before they release a bright zoom.. probably release a few primes first.. but I doubt anything in 2011.
 
fast enough for you?

There are dozens of f 2.8 or faster lenses available for u 4/3 cameras. 50mm f/1.8 or 1.4 lenses for example are quite plentiful and inexpensive.
I did mention I was interested in native lenses. The 25/0.95 can arguably be considered native, but none of the others can.

In any case, by native, I meant lenses that support the full mFT protocol, meaning autodiaphragm and AF.

Of course I understand that many mFT enthusiasts do enjoy manual focus, but many also do not.

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amazing how well it works and how much better all these lenses look at f5.6!
Now if only I could convince all the people in my images to pause as well, I'd be set :-) And of course the wind...

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The situation is even worse with the zooms - there's only one constant aperture zoom (the 7-14/4) and no native zoom faster than f/3.5. Obviously m4/3 isn't aimed at the high-end yet, but it would be nice if the system were at least competitive with low end APS-C.
I totally agree with you. I'd buy a micro 4/3rds rig in a heartbeat if there were a decently bright zoom available. As far as I'm concerned, the defining characteristic of micro four thirds is the reduced size. I don't see how that's compatible with carrying a bag with prime lenses. Heck, I have a drawer full of Canon primes that I don't bother to lug around because it's a PITA.
I agree that primes aren't ideal for certain situations.

That said, the 20/1.7 is 110g and the 45/2.8 is 225g. If they made a 12/2 that was under 250g, the whole collection would still be lighter than the ZD 12-60 is, and it would offer some notable advantages (wider aperture, macro, etc.).
Here's hoping that Oly gives us something like the 12-60 mm f 2.8-4.0 in a native m43 mount so that it focuses quickly and accurately on the m43 bodies.
I'd hope so too, but as my the title of my post says, it's been 2.5 years, so I'm starting to wonder...
My WAG (wild-ass guess): One of the third-party lens vendors (Sigma, Tamron, etc.) will come out with a f/2.8-4'ish standard zoom for m43, it will sell like hotcakes, and Oly will be giving themselves dope slaps because they had the technology to do it first if they want to.
That would be pretty funny! I'm a tad skeptical though - Sigma has generally been slow about adopting new mounts. I can imagine them adapting their existing lineup to mFT, but developing entirely new designs for mFT seems a bit less likely. Hope I'm wrong though!

Cheers,

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MFBernstein

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"Still, it's been 2 1/2 years since m4/3 came out and by my count there are only 2 native lenses faster than f/2.8 (Panasonic 20/1.7 and 14/2.5)."

Well, you may have missed these lenses:

panasonic 45mm f/2.8
olympus 17mm f/2.8
Faster than f/2.8? Nope, these are as fast as f/2.8. I agree that it's nice to have options, but I wouldn't necessarily characterize these as fast. In particular, the 17/2.8 seems like a typical example of what could be done better - it's not only slower than similar focal length lenses (the 20/1.7 and 14/2.5) but it's performance is actually worse than the kit zoom.
Voigtländer 25 mm f/0.95
I'll grant you the Voigtlander. I guess what I should have said rather than 'native' was supports AF. The Voigtlander is a great lens, but only for those who like MF. Don't get me wrong - plenty of people obviously like to use MF. I however am not one of them.
What about these lenses:

Carl Zeiss : Compact Prime CP.2 28mm/T2.1
Carl Zeiss : Compact Prime CP.2 35mm/T2.1
Carl Zeiss : Compact Prime CP.2 50mm/T2.1
Carl Zeiss : Compact Prime CP.2 85mm/T2.1
Carl Zeiss : Compact Prime CP.2 100mm/T2.1
Carl Zeiss : Compact Prime CP.2 50mm/T2.1 Makro

Schneider : Cine-Xenar 25mm/T2.2
Schneider : Cine-Xenar 35mm/T2.1
Schneider : Cine-Xenar 50mm/T2.0
Schneider : Cine-Xenar 75mm/T2.0
Schneider : Cine-Xenar 95mm/T2.0

Yup, these cine-lenses are very expensive. Nevertheless you get them with a native m43 mount and they are high quality lenses too.
Very impressive lenses! Not really practical for the vast majority of stills shooters, even enthusiasts though.
I do agree that fast zooms are not available in the native mount. But, you can use the 43/m43 adapter which gives you the following fast lenses:

Olympus 14-35 mm f/2.0
Olympus 35-100mm f/2.0
Olympus 90-250mm f/2.82

I think that's quite a good selection of lenses. Sure, more and cheaper would be better, but I don't think the situation is as bleak as you make it. If you are willing to carry around a few lenses then I don't think the use of the adapter should be a show stopper. Additional 43 lenses can be had here:
All true, suppose fair. The key thing about native lenses is that they AF quickly. I guess if AF (and size) is no concern, one doesn't need native lenses at all.

So for the MF crowd, there's really no shortage of options on mFT, except maybe fast wide-angle lenses...

But at least for now if AF matters, and if size is of a concern (especially on the wide-angle), native lenses do usually offer significant advantages. Thus my initial posting...

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MFBernstein

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What I would like to see:

Panasonic 50mm f1.4 with IS priced near the 20mm f1.7 (under $400), that is optimized for video (fast quiet AF motor). Even f1.7 or f2 would do...
IS is very hard to implement in a wide aperture lens.

The fastest Canon lens with IS is the EF 200mm f/2.0L, it is £5000.

I don't think we'll see any Panasonic lens with IS faster than f2.8.

IMHO the IS is good for some video, but it should be done digitally. For photos, it maybe handy for some things, but to me, it is by far the least important aspect of any lens or camera system. Sometimes, I feel it is just a 'me too' feature. and it does have it's own set of drawbacks. Often, it is better left off.

Death to mechanical IS I say!

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fast enough for you?

There are dozens of f 2.8 or faster lenses available for u 4/3 cameras. 50mm f/1.8 or 1.4 lenses for example are quite plentiful and inexpensive.
I did mention I was interested in native lenses. The 25/0.95 can arguably be considered native, but none of the others can.
Voigtlander's 25mm is definatley native (designed for u 4/3 image circle) and there will definately be more to come.
In any case, by native, I meant lenses that support the full mFT protocol, meaning autodiaphragm and AF.

Of course I understand that many mFT enthusiasts do enjoy manual focus, but many also do not.
Open your mind mfbernstein, give a manual lens a try!
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Tedolph
 
The GH2 is pretty much on par with every single entry level DSLR. In jpg mode the G3 is very close as well. I used to never use the zoom lenses with my GF1 now the 14-140mm is pretty much the only lens I use with my GH2.
Have to admit that I haven't tried the GH2 yet, as none of the local shops have ever managed to keep one in stock long enough for me to see it. That said, I'm a bit skeptical. Every test I've seen indicates a fair amount of chroma noise, even at low ISO. Moreover, the higher MP count means that middling lenses are going to be a lot more obvious.
You are right that they haven't produced much in the way of really fast AF lenses in last few years. However, Panasonic has made huge jumps in sensor technology which does make up for it.
To be clear, I'm not complaining about the AF speed of the native lenses (except, perhaps the original Olympus micro 14-42). It's that the selection of such lenses seems rather limited to me. The 4/3 lenses, while usually optically excellent, all suffer on AF speed.
Maybe you should consider getting a Panasonic body or just waiting for Olympus's new line of cameras. The fast glass coming though. The 25mm F1.4 should be really nice and I think there will be a fast wide prime and fast 50mm by the end of the year.
If so, I'll be a very happy camper!

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MFBernstein

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fast enough for you?

There are dozens of f 2.8 or faster lenses available for u 4/3 cameras. 50mm f/1.8 or 1.4 lenses for example are quite plentiful and inexpensive.
I did mention I was interested in native lenses. The 25/0.95 can arguably be considered native, but none of the others can.
Voigtlander's 25mm is definatley native (designed for u 4/3 image circle) and there will definately be more to come.
We'll see. I'd expect Voigtlander to make designs that will cover APS-C sensors, and then offer different lens mounts, so as to leverage the Sony NEX market as well.
In any case, by native, I meant lenses that support the full mFT protocol, meaning autodiaphragm and AF.

Of course I understand that many mFT enthusiasts do enjoy manual focus, but many also do not.
Open your mind mfbernstein, give a manual lens a try!
I have tried it, that's how I know I don't like it.

I shot with a Nikon FM2 for 5 years. And much as I loved that camera, I would never go back to a mainly MF world. When the camera is on the tripod and the subject is stationary, MF is fine. When you have no tripod, your subjects are moving, and you want to shoot spontaneously, MF is just a major headache.

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MFBernstein

'Wilderness is not a luxury but a necessity of the human spirit.' - Ed Abbey
 
In my opinion Panasonic and Olympus need a kick from Sigma who have said they are going to start producing m43 lenses. Sigma produce decent quality and good value lenses that already fill out and compete with the Nikon/Canon lines. There is a great opportunity for them to break into the m43 market if they do the same there.
They are too busy making $9,000 intermediate-level DSLR's right now.....
 
fast enough for you?

There are dozens of f 2.8 or faster lenses available for u 4/3 cameras. 50mm f/1.8 or 1.4 lenses for example are quite plentiful and inexpensive.
I did mention I was interested in native lenses. The 25/0.95 can arguably be considered native, but none of the others can.
Voigtlander's 25mm is definatley native (designed for u 4/3 image circle) and there will definately be more to come.
We'll see. I'd expect Voigtlander to make designs that will cover APS-C sensors, and then offer different lens mounts, so as to leverage the Sony NEX market as well.
Cosina is making so much $$ on the f/0.95 I am sure they will make other lenses for u 4/3 (they joined the consortium) as soon as production capacity allows. That might take some time considering that the f/0.95 exceeded all thier sales expectations (a lens 100% of you wil want, and only 5% will buy).

I don't thnk they will make lenses for e-mount as this would require a complete re-design. The f 0.95 will vignette on e-mount.
In any case, by native, I meant lenses that support the full mFT protocol, meaning autodiaphragm and AF.

Of course I understand that many mFT enthusiasts do enjoy manual focus, but many also do not.
Open your mind mfbernstein, give a manual lens a try!
I have tried it, that's how I know I don't like it.

I shot with a Nikon FM2 for 5 years. And much as I loved that camera, I would never go back to a mainly MF world. When the camera is on the tripod and the subject is stationary, MF is fine. When you have no tripod, your subjects are moving, and you want to shoot spontaneously, MF is just a major headache.
It is better on a live view camera than on an optical TTL SLR. Much better.

Learn to zone focus, set the hyperfocal distance and it is better than AF.

Get an adapter and give it a try!
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TEdolph
 
I’d also like to have some faster zooms - f2,8, or baring that f3.5 - 4.0. I find I use the little GH2 more and more, preferring to put up with it’s shortcomings rather than lug a D3s and 70-200 f2.8 along on hikes. I realize a faster zoom will be larger and heavier than the slow zooms available now, but given the 2x crop sensor, and the small, lightweight GH2 it will still offer an advantage.

The 14-140 is not especially sharp, but it’s smooth to zoom and a very handy focal length range. For video at a 50th of a second it is OK, but trying to get a decent shutter speed for action at a reasonable ISO can be a real challenge. I find I tend to look for shots I can work in software, rather than use as straight photos.







The 100-300 is faster and sharper than the 14-140, but it binds when I zoom it (I tried three of these and they are all the same). It’s good for reach in video, especially with the ECT mode,

http://www.vimeo.com/23235270

I remember seeing this, which alludes to two “bright zoom lenses”, but I’ve seen nothing since then. Has anyone else?

http://www.43rumors.com/mr-kitao-itirou-panasonic-talks-about-the-small-gf2-and-the-next-lenses/

1) Mr.Kitao says they can design compact MicroFourThirds smaller than the Sony NEX cameras!

2) The next three lenses, the 25mm f/1.4 and the two bright zoom lenses will be both compact and high-quality lenses.

There is also this (I have a slew of fast Canon lenses), http://www.birger.com/

“Birger is coming out with a lens control system for EF mount lenses on the Panasonic AF100. Control for the iris, both auto and manual, will be from the camera. Continuous (video-style) auto-focus will be supported on most Canon "L-series" lenses. Power is provided by the camera for most lenses. Image stabilization is supported on "IS" lenses, and this feature can be turned on or off from the lens.”
If it works on the AF100, I assume it will also work on the GH2.
 
It is better on a live view camera than on an optical TTL SLR. Much better.

Learn to zone focus, set the hyperfocal distance and it is better than AF.
... as so many shots from you are a living "proof" of.
ZoranC, welcome!

I was wondering where you were.

I was concerned that you had not recovered from your most recent siezure!

As you requested, a few you have seen before. Taken with 90mm Rokkor-M f/4.0 and monopod:

























Tedolph
 

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