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Is the STANDARD film setting really Astia and not Provia?
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Based on my old Fuji cameras I'd call it Provia (the color response) but with processing of Astia.
um could you explain what you mean for us mere new-to-fuji-mortals?
just read a few comments on various sites that the STANDARD 'provia' colours are soft and flatter, leading some to think that its an 'Astia' colour profile. And that Astia setting is more saturated and has more contrast which is more reminiscent of a traditional Provia profile
just wanted to see if others are finding this?
just read a few comments on various sites that the STANDARD 'provia' colours are soft and flatter, leading some to think that its an 'Astia' colour profile. And that Astia setting is more saturated and has more contrast which is more reminiscent of a traditional Provia profile
just wanted to see if others are finding this?
I mean that Provia has less saturation and contrast than Astia in x100 (compared to s100fs for example).
But the colors produced by Provia are still Provia-alike, not Astia-alike.
So my opinion is that color mapping is not reversed, only the in-camera processing of contrast/saturation. Same goes for F200EXR.
TLDR: Provia is still Provia (alike) but with much softer processing compared to older cameras.
Stephenbw
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Take some shots using Film Simulation Bracket drive to get all three versions of each shot. You can then see which you prefer in different situations.
I've only had the camera for a day, but so far I'm leaning towards the third shot, ASTIA, as my default setting.
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I've only had the camera for a day, but so far I'm leaning towards the third shot, ASTIA, as my default setting.
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Faintandfuzzy
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...the Astia setting doesn't look like Astia. The Velvia setting doesn't look like Velvia. And the Provia setting doesn't look like Provia.
Aside from that, they're all nice in a different way.
Aside from that, they're all nice in a different way.
could you post some pics to show what you mean?
Stephenbw
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No need for menu digging for this bracketing; it's in the Drive Mode.
I don't know whether any of the modes are actually like the films they are named after as I don't remember what they were like.
To my eyes Astia just seems like a 'standard' setting; somewhere between the vividness of Velvia and the muted look of Provia. As I say I've only had the camera a day and not taken many shots yet, so this preference may well change when I have experimented with the custom settings. It is a pity the film settings can't be individually adjusted; maybe with the new firmware?
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You can compare them here:
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/FujifilmX100/page17.asp
The rollover of the flowerbed in St James' Park shows the effect of the different colour modes.
Yes, it certainly seems odd that the 'Soft' mode (Astia) offers higher contrast than the 'Standard' (Provia) mode, but that doesn't prove that Fujifilm got them mixed up.
It's easier just to learn and acknowledge the way they are, rather than getting too hung up on the names. Personally I prefer shooing in the Astia mode as my default.
Richard - dpreview.com
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/FujifilmX100/page17.asp
The rollover of the flowerbed in St James' Park shows the effect of the different colour modes.
Yes, it certainly seems odd that the 'Soft' mode (Astia) offers higher contrast than the 'Standard' (Provia) mode, but that doesn't prove that Fujifilm got them mixed up.
It's easier just to learn and acknowledge the way they are, rather than getting too hung up on the names. Personally I prefer shooing in the Astia mode as my default.
Richard - dpreview.com
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http://www.fujifilm.com/products/professional_films/color_reversalfilms/astia_100f/
http://www.fujifilm.com/products/professional_films/color_reversalfilms/provia_100f/
Fuji's film descriptions.
Astia should be soft contrast, subdued colour.
Provia should be standard contrast and colour.
http://www.fujifilm.com/products/professional_films/color_reversalfilms/provia_100f/
Fuji's film descriptions.
Astia should be soft contrast, subdued colour.
Provia should be standard contrast and colour.
Why do you need people to post you pics ?
Why don't you just pick the setting you like ??
Who cares what they are called, it could be called #1, #2 and #3, all it comes down to is which you prefer.
I don't like the Velvia setting personally, but some love it. Who's to say that anyone is right or wrong
http://www.millsartphotography.com
Why don't you just pick the setting you like ??
Who cares what they are called, it could be called #1, #2 and #3, all it comes down to is which you prefer.
I don't like the Velvia setting personally, but some love it. Who's to say that anyone is right or wrong
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"ugh" ??? Your saying "ugh" because you have to dress the controller pad in the up direction one and select the film type bracketing.
You really can't be bothered to take 2 seconds to press a single button and spin a dil but don't mind posting a thread to talk about it ??
http://www.millsartphotography.com
You really can't be bothered to take 2 seconds to press a single button and spin a dil but don't mind posting a thread to talk about it ??
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Faintandfuzzy
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I guess the point is that if Fuji is making the camera...and they make the film....then the Astia setting should look like Astia. When I look at Astia samples from the X100, they don't look like any Astia scan I've ever seen. So maybe they should have called them #1, #2 and #3.....because the names have no connection to reality.
More to the point, you'd expect the 'Standard' mode to have higher contrast than the 'Soft' mode, regardless of which film names are appended to them.
But they're not, so it makes more sense to understand what each on looks like, rather than worrying about how it came about.
Richard - dpreview.com
But they're not, so it makes more sense to understand what each on looks like, rather than worrying about how it came about.
Richard - dpreview.com
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That's true for users, yes. But it is shoddy that a company would bring a product to market with that kind of error. It just smacks as a lack of care, if they can't label the film simulations correctly (really easy), what else have they got wrong? Your review already found a bug list a mile long and almost all of it didn't have to be that way. It's just another example of a great idea botched due to a lack of attention to the small stuff.
For example the issue many have mentioned here with the x100 seizing up, I had with my first copy of the s200exr until it froze for good and had to be replaced. Not investing properly in the software and quality control hamstrings a potentially great camera (x100, not my s200).
Be nice if the firmware update sorts most of it out but it'd be good if someone waited until a product worked as intended before releasing it.
For example the issue many have mentioned here with the x100 seizing up, I had with my first copy of the s200exr until it froze for good and had to be replaced. Not investing properly in the software and quality control hamstrings a potentially great camera (x100, not my s200).
Be nice if the firmware update sorts most of it out but it'd be good if someone waited until a product worked as intended before releasing it.
Biggreydog
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Clips from Fuji's website, describing the 3 films:
Provia: "designed to provide medium color saturation and contrast compared to other films in the 100F series."
Velvia: "ultrahigh color saturation."
Astia: "subdued color reproduction and the softest tone reproduction."
In my experience so far, I'd say that:
The "Standard" or Provia setting on the X100 is low contrast and low saturation
The Velvia setting is crazy bright.
The Astia setting is between Provia and Velvia.
So, yeah, the settings don't seem to match the films.
It's been pretty sunny around here for the last few days, and I haven't found the two brighter settings to be of much use, because they both seem to lose the shadows in a black hole.
They might be helpful on a dull or rainy day.
Provia: "designed to provide medium color saturation and contrast compared to other films in the 100F series."
Velvia: "ultrahigh color saturation."
Astia: "subdued color reproduction and the softest tone reproduction."
In my experience so far, I'd say that:
The "Standard" or Provia setting on the X100 is low contrast and low saturation
The Velvia setting is crazy bright.
The Astia setting is between Provia and Velvia.
So, yeah, the settings don't seem to match the films.
It's been pretty sunny around here for the last few days, and I haven't found the two brighter settings to be of much use, because they both seem to lose the shadows in a black hole.
They might be helpful on a dull or rainy day.
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