Help me with D7000 skin tones

if magenta is to be no more than 10% over yellow and cyan(blue) is to be 1/4 of magenta....this is how Caucasian skin should look like....BUT...we all have our "tastes"



THE ORIGINAL

 
Ahhh... not really what I was looking for. But thanks for trying. The window is the only light source. Behind is just the wall and no light in front of her, look at the reflection in here eyes. Shows only a window.
Here's a more recent shot. Taken today. The set up is fool proof. My daughter in front of a window. In real life the light was really nice and soft. But through my D7000 the skin gets an yellow, green, pink... yes a really strange color that no one has on their skin. Here's a lot of examples of different renditions. Not one of them comes close to the real color. And it's IMPOSSIBLE to get it to look anything near it. You're again welcome to try for yourself:
As far as I can tell, you have the window light in front and some other horrid light source to the baby's left and rear. This casts a mixed light that varies dramatically across the face and the bib. So I played with the channel mixer and color balance to achieve a different compromise from yours. But make no mistake, every color version of this image is going to be a compromise because of the mixed lighting ...




http://dl.dropbox.com/u/27605059/Photo/Raw%20file%202.nef

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A good point that shows my findings. You can tweek forever and you won't get good results, no matter which technique you use. If the lighting is not bright daylight sun, the skin tones are lost and you can't recover them in raw editing. :(
if magenta is to be no more than 10% over yellow and cyan(blue) is to be 1/4 of magenta....this is how Caucasian skin should look like....BUT...we all have our "tastes"

 
I would give it try...
 
Ask Nikon why they push so much midtones... I've only edited this pic in PS in Exposure, i've set gamma -0.7, and this is the result:



In the other hand, Adobe PS (profile Adobe) has a better and realistic color faithful and accuracy than profiles from Capture NX.
 
I've decided to sell the D7000 and get another camera. Most probably Canon 60D or 7D. If this is the the future of Nikon, then I'm out.
 
Again the meltdown and exit stage right to very slight applause.
 
All I did was a hue shift towards green and a slight desaturation of skin tones.
 
I've decided to sell the D7000 and get another camera. Most probably Canon 60D or 7D. If this is the the future of Nikon, then I'm out.
Excellent choice, this matches the focus problem response exactly...and that also worked out for you. Be sure and test the Canon choice prior to purchase. Using your findings here as comparison should greatly speed the process. Good Luck and I'll look for your updates in the Canon forum. Best Wishes.
 
I bought a Pentax K-X almost 1 year ago and found the colors simply horrid.
I sold the camera after 1 month of use and never looked back.

I tested Canon and Nikon cameras, and finally (after a couple of hours :) ) opted for Nikon because I did not like the colors of Canon (faces very reddish, and red was very strong all over).

So I ended up with Nikon (D90 and now a D300s) because of the colors and I still love the color rendition of Nikon. WB is not the strongest point of Nikon but I shoot RAW and usually fix it in less than 1 minute.

Maybe you should try another Nikon camera (D5000, D90, D300, D700) before switching to Canon.

Do not forget. Sports photographers usually use Canon while portrait and wedding pros usually use Nikon gear (at least in my country). So Nikon skin rendition can not be that bad...
 
I don't see an obvious white balance issue with this photo on my monitor, but it is overexposed. If shot in RAW, try negative exposure compensation and the skin tones should look much better. When photographing very light skinned people, think snow in terms of exposure. Overexposure will always result in poor skin tones, especially with flash.

I am wondering though, why you used f1.8 when photographing two people in different focal planes? The girl is obviously out of focus because of the shallow depth of field. I would have used no less than f4 for this photo and focused on the girl to ensure both people are apparently in focus (besides the girl has a nicer face!).

Hint: I find that Auto-Area focus works well when shooting couples or groups of people, as it focuses on the closer subject (as you should).



Best regards,
Jon
 
Thank you. But I honestly feels there is no real alternative to Canon these days. Too bad. I really liked those CCD colors much better. See you in the Canon forums then. All the best to you.
I've decided to sell the D7000 and get another camera. Most probably Canon 60D or 7D. If this is the the future of Nikon, then I'm out.
Excellent choice, this matches the focus problem response exactly...and that also worked out for you. Be sure and test the Canon choice prior to purchase. Using your findings here as comparison should greatly speed the process. Good Luck and I'll look for your updates in the Canon forum. Best Wishes.
 
Much better than the original... Still the skin tones looks unnatural to me. But you are absolutely right about that gamma curve. Nikon has gone totally mad over this gamma curve. The standard picture control on the D7000 is just ridiculous.
Ask Nikon why they push so much midtones... I've only edited this pic in PS in Exposure, i've set gamma -0.7, and this is the result:



In the other hand, Adobe PS (profile Adobe) has a better and realistic color faithful and accuracy than profiles from Capture NX.
 
These are from my D70 under identical circumstances, the same room, same sofa, same light though the window. Not perfect WB and a lot more noise, but the skin tones are A LOT better. Aren't they?
Too much green tint on this picture
And too much blue tint on this picture
I agree, the WB is far too cool, taste in color notwithstanding. I assume the child's clothing is white, but it looks light blue on my monitor. This photo would not be acceptable to me at all. I would use the set gray point in NX-2 on the child's bib and see how it looks then. It may come down to the OPs monitor, or perhaps his color vision is off a bit. I had my color vision checked and the doctor deemed it 100% accurate. The doctor also told me that about 25% of males he has tested are color impaired to some degree and 10% have such poor color acuity that they are considered "color blind". A greater proportion of women perform much better on color tests then men and less than 0.5%. are considered color blind.

Best regards,
Jon
 
Ahhh... not really what I was looking for. But thanks for trying. The window is the only light source. Behind is just the wall and no light in front of her, look at the reflection in here eyes. Shows only a window.
Well, something is reflecting a lot of yellow onto the skin that faces the camera, while the skin away from the camera has higher blue content. I don't see how uniform window light can do that ...

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  • for the mind, I'd still potentially seek some help (I mean no offense). For example:
Fact you didn't upgrade your equipment since the D70 (ann 2004) despite being passionate about photography suggests your means might be limited such that the D7000 is simply causing you a really really bad case of buyer's remorse. Besides hurting you, this must be hurting your wife and friends and family.

Your daughter looks still quite young and maybe you're still under some new dad stress, which makes you only more prone to things such as buyer's remorse
That's a really inappropriate post ... there is no reason for anyone to play armchair psychologist on these forums ... it's patronizing ...

If you really feel strongly about buyers' remorse then you can introduce the concept without making the arrogant statement that it must be hurting his wife and friends and family ...

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To achive good skin tones you need: exactly the right lighting, exactly the right exposure and exactly the right white balance. Otherwise skin tones are horrible.
You nailed it.
 
I've decided to sell the D7000 and get another camera. Most probably Canon 60D or 7D. If this is the the future of Nikon, then I'm out.
Good luck with that. Visualizing the four cameras on a chart indicating color response, the D70 would be at one end, the 7D and 60D at the other, and the D7000 somewhere in the middle. In other words, if you're unhappy with the D7000 compared to the D70, you'll probably be even more disappointed with either of the Canons. The color response is more flat, especially in the reds, and more skewed toward blue.
 

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