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Help me with D7000 skin tones
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Swedish Hambern
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You are right but first it's due to Nikon Catures inability to export pictures. Exported pictures looks much worse than inside the program.
And second: That's a white balance thing and NOT a skin tone thing. Before you start flaming me... Learn basic photographic technicalities. I'm NOT questioning D7000s ability to get good white balance. In the white balance department it's WAY WAY ahead of the D70. Several miles. I'm talking skin tones, and it's really worrying that you people can't tell the difference.
And second: That's a white balance thing and NOT a skin tone thing. Before you start flaming me... Learn basic photographic technicalities. I'm NOT questioning D7000s ability to get good white balance. In the white balance department it's WAY WAY ahead of the D70. Several miles. I'm talking skin tones, and it's really worrying that you people can't tell the difference.
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Here are the three you indicated you are very happy with. I would think you could use these to make a suitable custom profile. They appear slightly different to my eye but a good indication of what you could work your profile towards.
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No... Because Nikon Capture can't export pictures. To get what i wanted I had to print screen.
The skin tones in this look nothing like the skin tones in the picture of the woman and child which you also say is the look you like....This is the kind of skin tones i miss...
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I spent 30 seconds and edited only the JPEG.
Let me know if you like this better than the original.
(I tried to emulate the tones I think you are looking for).
Let me know if you like this better than the original.
(I tried to emulate the tones I think you are looking for).
Swedish Hambern
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So... Now I have opened up the picture in Nikon Capture and tweeked the white balance (Yes, the D70 was much worse on the white balance department) to my likings and taken a screen capture. Use this to bash me instead.
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I deleted the worst, as I wrote, this is an example of a good fill flash picture. Still I think the colors just does not match, the flash lit face and the background. Portrait mode is used.
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As far as I can tell, you have the window light in front and some other horrid light source to the baby's left and rear. This casts a mixed light that varies dramatically across the face and the bib. So I played with the channel mixer and color balance to achieve a different compromise from yours. But make no mistake, every color version of this image is going to be a compromise because of the mixed lighting ...
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RJNedimyer
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I have worked rather extensively with several people in the past who made rather similar comments about differing cameras that had excellent historys of producing excellent skin tones.
After monitor, printer, and WB possibilities were eliminated 2 of the 3 ended up having a color difiency [minor not the major ones often refered to as color blindness].
So perhaps that checked should be your next step and the start is very easy and cheap [free].
There is a much more extensive on line test that a link was posted on this site but I have lost it. Here is what I could quickly find:
http://www.opticien-lentilles.com/.../daltonien_beta/new_test_daltonien.php
other options:
http://tjshome.com/selftest.php
http://www.lensshopper.com/eye-disorders/color-blindness.asp
BTW the third was comparing [under the same lighting] the photo and the original item. According to him digital was failing because he was copying fine art and remembered the film shots being more accurate [in his memory] when he tried the same comparison with the film prints the film prints were actually further off.
Although there are ways to get very close; perfect is not possible and usually NOT desired since it would not "look" right to the human eye for many reasons.
Some quote a specific range of colors or a specific color that is "the best or "most accurate" a specific ancestry; that is simply not accurate or acceptable in the modern world. The "races" and ancestries have so inter-married it id difficult to say what is correct. Add that to most females from puberty on will wear makeup [needed or not] and each make up almost always changes appearent skin color [the worst I've seen looked OK to the eye but glowed pale pinkish purple when struck with flash._ What a retouch job ].
The other thing is most people set the saturation too high for skin and then complain it looks bad or the camera screwed it up when simply decreasing the saturation will give much more accurate colors and decrease PP time. However, scenes and objects will often then need added saturation in PP.
One final note:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Felix_von_Luschan_Skin_Color_chart.svg
[ http://www.retouchpro.com/pages/skintones.jpg]
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Ray
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After monitor, printer, and WB possibilities were eliminated 2 of the 3 ended up having a color difiency [minor not the major ones often refered to as color blindness].
So perhaps that checked should be your next step and the start is very easy and cheap [free].
There is a much more extensive on line test that a link was posted on this site but I have lost it. Here is what I could quickly find:
http://www.opticien-lentilles.com/.../daltonien_beta/new_test_daltonien.php
other options:
http://tjshome.com/selftest.php
http://www.lensshopper.com/eye-disorders/color-blindness.asp
BTW the third was comparing [under the same lighting] the photo and the original item. According to him digital was failing because he was copying fine art and remembered the film shots being more accurate [in his memory] when he tried the same comparison with the film prints the film prints were actually further off.
Although there are ways to get very close; perfect is not possible and usually NOT desired since it would not "look" right to the human eye for many reasons.
Some quote a specific range of colors or a specific color that is "the best or "most accurate" a specific ancestry; that is simply not accurate or acceptable in the modern world. The "races" and ancestries have so inter-married it id difficult to say what is correct. Add that to most females from puberty on will wear makeup [needed or not] and each make up almost always changes appearent skin color [the worst I've seen looked OK to the eye but glowed pale pinkish purple when struck with flash._ What a retouch job ].
The other thing is most people set the saturation too high for skin and then complain it looks bad or the camera screwed it up when simply decreasing the saturation will give much more accurate colors and decrease PP time. However, scenes and objects will often then need added saturation in PP.
One final note:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Felix_von_Luschan_Skin_Color_chart.svg
[ http://www.retouchpro.com/pages/skintones.jpg]
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Ray
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Swedish Hambern
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These shots are accually really good. Definite keepers. Good tones. I've also achieved these results, and maybe even slightly better, in perfect lighting conditions (warm sunlight) and with exactly the correct WB and exposure. In those conditions the D7000 really shines. Especially with the amazing dynamic range. Look at this as en example:
I like the look of this. The problem is that when lighting changes and exposure and WB is tilted a bit. The skin tones is thrown completely offl
I like the look of this. The problem is that when lighting changes and exposure and WB is tilted a bit. The skin tones is thrown completely offl
More samples for you to locate the magenta cast at:
http://imagesbyeduardo.com/main/2011/05/08/d7000-more-skin-tones-plus-shadow-noise/
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Much better, I wonder why you chose to put up the horrid picture first and leave it that way for so long. This new picture better represents the normal results I'm used to getting with my camera. It appears we must wait as much 19 hours before proper examples are posted...time to start over ? This is starting to have much in common with how examples were presented with your focus problem, at least that was worked out in the end.
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Did the first test, here's my score:
green color deficit (deutéranopia): 0/18
green color deficit (deutéranomaly) simulation wickline: 0/7
red color deficit (protanopia): 0/14
red color deficit (protanomaly) simulation wickline: 0/7
blue color deficit (tritanopia): 0/14
blue color deficit (tritanomaly) simulation wickline: 0/7
deuteranopia indicator:0%
deuteranomaly indicator: 0%
protanopia indicator: 0%
protanomaly indicator: 0%
tritanopia indicator: 0%
tritanomaly indicator: 0%
The second test:
Your Colorblind Scoring Summary
Your Score: 6/6 100%
Score Recap:
1. Correct
2. Correct
3. Correct
4. Correct
5. Correct
6. Correct
green color deficit (deutéranopia): 0/18
green color deficit (deutéranomaly) simulation wickline: 0/7
red color deficit (protanopia): 0/14
red color deficit (protanomaly) simulation wickline: 0/7
blue color deficit (tritanopia): 0/14
blue color deficit (tritanomaly) simulation wickline: 0/7
deuteranopia indicator:0%
deuteranomaly indicator: 0%
protanopia indicator: 0%
protanomaly indicator: 0%
tritanopia indicator: 0%
tritanomaly indicator: 0%
The second test:
Your Colorblind Scoring Summary
Your Score: 6/6 100%
Score Recap:
1. Correct
2. Correct
3. Correct
4. Correct
5. Correct
6. Correct
Swedish Hambern
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Too pale and washed out for my taste and a alight blue cast. I like colors, don't get me wrong. They just should look right.
I spent 30 seconds and edited only the JPEG.
Let me know if you like this better than the original.
(I tried to emulate the tones I think you are looking for).
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Very well done, and you did match his examples he posted as being "good" skin tones. I think you will find that his taste will change as the thread progresses so a positive result will be unlikely. This also happened with the focus problem but it appears that it was finally worked out. Excellent re-do on the pic.
I spent 30 seconds and edited only the JPEG.
Let me know if you like this better than the original.
(I tried to emulate the tones I think you are looking for).
Swedish Hambern
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At first I did not care too much about the White balance. The point also was that the D70 could handle bad white balance much better than the D7000, but since everyone just commented on the white balance and not the skin tones i decided to edit that out so that you could focus on the important part instead. Sorry for taking so long. And as I have said before. the D7000 is much better at guessing the correct white balance than the D70.
And yes, the focus problem worked out in the end. I switched my second body for a third body and voilá, the problem was solved. Like magic really.
And yes, the focus problem worked out in the end. I switched my second body for a third body and voilá, the problem was solved. Like magic really.
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