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Cancelled 1ds Because of Sigma

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.. that's why I'm sticking with my crayons and BIG CHIEF tablet until the whole film and digital thing shake out.

(this is ONE STUPID thread)

Regards,
Steve
Red Dawn said:
Daven said:
you know , that Sigma review really made me sad.....I was getting
a 1ds shipped at the end of the week and I just cancelled it.
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Hi

Come on, ALL DSLRs are trasitional technology........ if u didn't
realise it by now. My D30 was superseded by the 1D and later on the
D60, but I haven't had the urge to upgrade in light of that.

the thing is, if the image quality of your current DSLR makes you
happy today, why would it make you sad tomorrow when newer models
come out? After all, aren't D60s supposed to equal film in quality
already?

if u continue to chase the latest model, the race will never end.
not so soon yet anyway. and u'll continue to sink in more and more
money with no end in sight.....

that's why i'm sticking to my Leicas until things finally settle
down....at least with my trusty M6, I can even use it without
batteries, and i never have to worry about it being superseded by
the next newer model.... :)

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Red Dawn
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Two things:

1. There will always be something better coming up in the future. If your primary goal is to have the latest and the greatest without an analysis of whether or not you can actually make use of it, then go for it.

2. Can you donate $8K to me? You seem to have a lot of money to spend.

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I am 43 maybe I should!
Daven said:
Steven said:
Daven said:
you know , that Sigma review really made me sad.....I was getting
a 1ds shipped at the end of the week and I just cancelled it.
There is NO way as a hobbist that im spending 8k on a camera when
there are improvements like the foveon chip right now. It wasnt
that the resolution was equal but the color was dead on as
well.....just look at the silver in the quater comparison! Anyway
I know you have to jump in somewhere and that there are more
qualities as far as a professional camere (lenses, body, auto
focus) but maybe its at the point that you can save more money by
going with yesterdays technology (not last years...lol) save some
money and still get a good camera. God just think what a foveon
would be at 10mp!!! Anyway sorry for the rant but i need to feel
sorry for myself. I will now go and order my 1d and wait till I
see what next year brings.....
rest in peace 1ds : (
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Steven
D60
707
C700
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Steven
D60
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C700
 
Red Dawn said:
that's why i'm sticking to my Leicas until things finally settle
down....at least with my trusty M6, I can even use it without
batteries, and i never have to worry about it being superseded by
the next newer model.... :)
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The only smart person here.

However, don't preach it as we need fools to spend their money to support this never ending circle of change.

Later, we will all reap the benefits.

Philip
 
But we all have a lot of fun doing it!
Philip K said:
However, don't preach it as we need fools to spend their money to
support this never ending circle of change.

Later, we will all reap the benefits.

Philip
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Steven
D60
707
C700
 
Steven said:
Daven said:
you know , that Sigma review really made me sad.....I was getting
a 1ds shipped at the end of the week and I just cancelled it.
There is NO way as a hobbist that im spending 8k on a camera when
there are improvements like the foveon chip right now. It wasnt
that the resolution was equal but the color was dead on as
well.....just look at the silver in the quater comparison! Anyway
I know you have to jump in somewhere and that there are more
qualities as far as a professional camere (lenses, body, auto
focus) but maybe its at the point that you can save more money by
going with yesterdays technology (not last years...lol) save some
money and still get a good camera. God just think what a foveon
would be at 10mp!!! Anyway sorry for the rant but i need to feel
sorry for myself. I will now go and order my 1d and wait till I
see what next year brings.....
rest in peace 1ds : (
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Steven
D60
707
C700
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your still stuck using Sigma glass. Can't attach any "L" quality to it. It really dosen't matter how great the sensor is if the quality of the llight is poor.
Daven said:
andyfrazer said:
Daven said:
you know , that Sigma review really made me sad.....I was getting
a 1ds shipped at the end of the week and I just cancelled it.
There is NO way as a hobbist that im spending 8k on a camera when
there are improvements like the foveon chip right now.
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I've never seen anyone commit $8k to a camera that they either 1)
didn't understand the value of, or 2). didn't think through their
priorities before getting on the waiting list. Keep in mind that a
sensor, in fact an entire camera, does not a make a camera system.
That would be like saying (a few years ago), I don't need a Canon
1V nor a Nikon F5 because Fuji just came out with the Provia film.

But that's OK. Somewhere someone who needs to qualities of the 1Ds
has just been bumped up on the waiting list.

Andy Frazer
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'If nothing changes, nothing changes'
 
I should of looked before I answered his TC post.
Damn those P&S photogs.

Sigma over any Canon DSLR, sure can't beat those cr*p sigma lens inconsistencies.
John
Franklin said:
Steven said:
Daven said:
you know , that Sigma review really made me sad.....I was getting
a 1ds shipped at the end of the week and I just cancelled it.
There is NO way as a hobbist that im spending 8k on a camera when
there are improvements like the foveon chip right now. It wasnt
that the resolution was equal but the color was dead on as
well.....just look at the silver in the quater comparison! Anyway
I know you have to jump in somewhere and that there are more
qualities as far as a professional camere (lenses, body, auto
focus) but maybe its at the point that you can save more money by
going with yesterdays technology (not last years...lol) save some
money and still get a good camera. God just think what a foveon
would be at 10mp!!! Anyway sorry for the rant but i need to feel
sorry for myself. I will now go and order my 1d and wait till I
see what next year brings.....
rest in peace 1ds : (
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Steven
D60
707
C700
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I thought you were gonna say you were gonna order a Sigma (or wait for one -- are they even shippin yet?).

Getting the 1D right now is a perfectly sane decision. Not necessarily for the reasons you gave (I'm not sure how well Foeveon technology is going to work out at high ISO -- and that's a deal-killer for me).
Daven said:
I will now go and order my 1d and wait till I
see what next year brings.....
rest in peace 1ds : (
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I am beginning to think I read a different article.

I came away with, nice technology - but not there yet. There are still too many problems. I really don't think you will see a viable hi-resolution camera using Foveon for a number of years yet. Of course either it, or more likely something like it, will eventually come to market at this level, but it is not going to be in the near future.

Hell, if I were in the market, I would easily buy the D60 over the Sigma even at current prices.

Peter
Daven said:
you know , that Sigma review really made me sad.....I was getting
a 1ds shipped at the end of the week and I just cancelled it.
There is NO way as a hobbist that im spending 8k on a camera when
there are improvements like the foveon chip right now. It wasnt
that the resolution was equal but the color was dead on as
well.....just look at the silver in the quater comparison! Anyway
I know you have to jump in somewhere and that there are more
qualities as far as a professional camere (lenses, body, auto
focus) but maybe its at the point that you can save more money by
going with yesterdays technology (not last years...lol) save some
money and still get a good camera. God just think what a foveon
would be at 10mp!!! Anyway sorry for the rant but i need to feel
sorry for myself. I will now go and order my 1d and wait till I
see what next year brings.....
rest in peace 1ds : (
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Peter Sills
Digital Focus
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For me, the Sigma SD9 does not look to have the layout I would like to use. Just reviewing the controls, menus, etc leaves me wanting.

This summer I tried to decide between the D100 or the D60. I had and returned the S2Pro (had it less than 24 hours). What did I finally get? A used D30.

A person tends to buy in to a system and not just a body. The D30 allows me to buy in to the Canon system without spending all of my $$$ on the body only. I can buy flashes, lenses, etc and upgrade my body later IF, and only IF, I find a need.

I have ways to re-size my images larger if I need to. I tend to print 8 x 10 and less in size. I have a work flow from my E10 that has translated pretty well to the D30 and using RAW format.

So buy what you want, listen to your inner self and find those shots that suit your tastes. In the end, that is what matters.

Take care,
Daven said:
I was cancelling for the 1d!!! God I know theres some tension in
the forums but really! I was drawing an infrence to the fact that
the CHIP was advanced tech. This is just like computer chips, you
pay less in the future for better thats all.....Yes im not
disputing the 1ds for its overwelming OTHER features its just that
at 8k for a now what seems like a lesser chip (to me) its a lot of
cash for a hobbist!! Does that make any sense?? God, the 1d new
was 5500.00 I was also hoping that Canon would have dropped the
price a bit to 6500.00-7000.00
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dave veneri said:
ALL im saying is that if the foveon turns out to be a better tech
design than whos to say that I wouldnt be better off with a 1d for
now and in a couple of years get a canon or nikon camera, higher MP
with an improved chip design??? it's hard buying a Camera (even
though its stock packed with a lot of other professional features)
that seems to be based on a chip or sensor that may have just taken
the back seat to this Foveon chip. AND PLEASE!! Im not talking
about the stinky featureless sigma!!! Im talking/ Typing about the
chip!!
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dave veneri said:
God, And to think i had guilty feelings about sleeping with my cousin!
: )
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TonyK
 
Imp said:
Daven said:
you know , that Sigma review really made me sad.....I was getting
a 1ds shipped at the end of the week and I just cancelled it.
There is NO way as a hobbist that im spending 8k on a camera when
there are improvements like the foveon chip right now. It wasnt
that the resolution was equal but the color was dead on as
well.....just look at the silver in the quater comparison! Anyway
I know you have to jump in somewhere and that there are more
qualities as far as a professional camere (lenses, body, auto
focus) but maybe its at the point that you can save more money by
going with yesterdays technology (not last years...lol) save some
money and still get a good camera. God just think what a foveon
would be at 10mp!!! Anyway sorry for the rant but i need to feel
sorry for myself. I will now go and order my 1d and wait till I
see what next year brings.....
rest in peace 1ds : (
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Regards,
Gavin
Canon Pro90IS, B-300 Canon Pro 70
 
I'm with you, Daven. You're talking about CHIP, not the lousy SD9. The new technology is here, and that makes one think if it's worth to buy expensive camera based on old technology (1Ds - Bayer). No doubt Canon will license Foveon technology or come out with its own version of this chip, so if Canon Foveon will arrive in, say, 1 year, spending $8K on old Bayer chip is questionable.

I have D60. I'll stay with Canon in future upgrades, but I'll skip all Bayer cameras until Canon comes out with > 10MP Foveon full-frame sensor. Bayer is old, blurry and I'm not going to spend money on it anymore.
Daven said:
Daven said:
you know , that Sigma review really made me sad.....I was getting
a 1ds shipped at the end of the week and I just cancelled it.
There is NO way as a hobbist that im spending 8k on a camera when
there are improvements like the foveon chip right now. It wasnt
that the resolution was equal but the color was dead on as
well.....just look at the silver in the quater comparison! Anyway
I know you have to jump in somewhere and that there are more
qualities as far as a professional camere (lenses, body, auto
focus) but maybe its at the point that you can save more money by
going with yesterdays technology (not last years...lol) save some
money and still get a good camera. God just think what a foveon
would be at 10mp!!! Anyway sorry for the rant but i need to feel
sorry for myself. I will now go and order my 1d and wait till I
see what next year brings.....
rest in peace 1ds : (
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Red Dawn said:
that's why i'm sticking to my Leicas until things finally settle
down....at least with my trusty M6, I can even use it without
batteries, and i never have to worry about it being superseded by
the next newer model.... :)

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Red Dawn
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I'm ahead of you Red...I'm still using an M3 I bought new for $323 in 1965. The M6 is my idea of transitional technology. My M3 just got its 10-year overhaul. $415, including new Vulcanite and a total going-over. I think we'll see Leica reflex digital shortly. Until then, I'm happy with my D30.

Guys who don't shoot pictures for a living spending $8000 on a camera body? I don't get it. Looks to me like a polite substitute for a bad coke habit.

Zidar
Alaska

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It's not about stuff.
 
Is solar better, sure. So that is why I am going to go to the trouble of cancelling that 1 million watt lantern and sticking with my pressure-activated pocket lamp for 2-3 years so that the solar-powered flashlight can catch up to 250,000 candle power. I'll have the 2 candle power flashlight, but...

Seriously, what does this guy really offer? If you want to have a dSLR, don't you have to take the plunge at some point? Isn't there always a bigger better deal in 90 days? What makes me think this guy even needs that much power?

For pity's sake, light a candle and stop trolling this forum! Or at least go bother someone else about your G3 or whatever!!!
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'Price is only an issue in the absence of value.'
'Being 6'8' means not having to say you're sorry...'

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Im truly sorry for JB's comments he was just seen in the local library reading thru the 1001 pickel joke book. He makes a half witted....make that 1/4 attempt at humor but fails...JBLANN or JO as we like to call him in the hermaphrodite theraputic group has escaped and is considered unclear as to his gender.....One day soon he might realize that everyone IS entitled to an opinion and maybe then (and we can only hope) he will remove his underwear from atop his head and come to the realization that we are free to voice our opinions without fear of some spiderman wannabe voicing his opinion....
Now go to your room JBLANN
jblann said:
Is solar better, sure. So that is why I am going to go to the
trouble of cancelling that 1 million watt lantern and sticking with
my pressure-activated pocket lamp for 2-3 years so that the
solar-powered flashlight can catch up to 250,000 candle power.
I'll have the 2 candle power flashlight, but...

Seriously, what does this guy really offer? If you want to have a
dSLR, don't you have to take the plunge at some point? Isn't there
always a bigger better deal in 90 days? What makes me think this
guy even needs that much power?

For pity's sake, light a candle and stop trolling this forum! Or
at least go bother someone else about your G3 or whatever!!!
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'In cyberspace, you can't hear the screams...'
'Price is only an issue in the absence of value.'
'Being 6'8' means not having to say you're sorry...'

Equipment list in profile.
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word about his equipment, or his need for it. Just a shot about gender identity. Spiderman wannabe? Underwear on my head? Oh well. I guess I will just have to grab some kleenex and move on.

By the way, I do believe that everyone is entitled to his "educated" opinion. Oh, and everyone is entitled to post that opinion on this forum. Your opinion is certainly not in the interest of increasing the knowledge base of this forum. You keep on mixing up cameras and priorities and your opinion, if you actually have one that may result in a purchase of a dSLR this century, seems disjointed.

BTW, you still have not said anything about your experience, equipment, or why you are even here in the first place. THAT IS WHY YOU ARE TROLL!!!

Of course, that is also why I don't give a rat's posterior what you think about me, or about photography either.

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'In cyberspace, you can't hear the screams...'
'Price is only an issue in the absence of value.'
'Being 6'8' means not having to say you're sorry...'

Equipment list in profile.
 
zidar said:
I'm ahead of you Red...I'm still using an M3 I bought new for $323
in 1965. The M6 is my idea of transitional technology. My M3 just
got its 10-year overhaul. $415, including new Vulcanite and a total
going-over. I think we'll see Leica reflex digital shortly. Until
then, I'm happy with my D30.

Guys who don't shoot pictures for a living spending $8000 on a
camera body? I don't get it. Looks to me like a polite substitute
for a bad coke habit.
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all right, you win, u got an incredible deal for that M3!

though i would like to think both the M3 and M6 are essentially same technology :)

and yes, $8000 can buy a lot of nice lenses, or other non camera stuff......

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Red Dawn
 
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