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you know , that Sigma review really made me sad.....I was getting a 1ds shipped at the end of the week and I just cancelled it. There is NO way as a hobbist that im spending 8k on a camera when there are improvements like the foveon chip right now. It wasnt that the resolution was equal but the color was dead on as well.....just look at the silver in the quater comparison! Anyway I know you have to jump in somewhere and that there are more qualities as far as a professional camere (lenses, body, auto focus) but maybe its at the point that you can save more money by going with yesterdays technology (not last years...lol) save some money and still get a good camera. God just think what a foveon would be at 10mp!!! Anyway sorry for the rant but i need to feel sorry for myself. I will now go and order my 1d and wait till I see what next year brings.....
rest in peace 1ds : (
 
Apparently you fine for now w/out a camera.
It is always good to wait. I just sold all my Canon gear.

The PMA isn't that far away. Fuji S2 was announced at the end of January 02, so maybe there will be new announcements soon.
 
dave veneri said:
you know , that Sigma review really made me sad.....I was getting
a 1ds shipped at the end of the week and I just cancelled it.
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There is no way you were planning to get a 1Ds. Some photographers may opt for the Sigma over the D60, but if you were seriously considering the 1Ds, then you wanted other features not available in the D60 such as full-frame or state-of-the-art AF.
dave veneri said:
There is NO way as a hobbist that im spending 8k on a camera ...
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Now that we believe!
  • Christopher
 
Daven said:
you know , that Sigma review really made me sad.....I was getting
a 1ds shipped at the end of the week and I just cancelled it.
There is NO way as a hobbist that im spending 8k on a camera when
there are improvements like the foveon chip right now.
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I've never seen anyone commit $8k to a camera that they either 1) didn't understand the value of, or 2). didn't think through their priorities before getting on the waiting list. Keep in mind that a sensor, in fact an entire camera, does not a make a camera system. That would be like saying (a few years ago), I don't need a Canon 1V nor a Nikon F5 because Fuji just came out with the Provia film.

But that's OK. Somewhere someone who needs to qualities of the 1Ds has just been bumped up on the waiting list.

Andy Frazer
 
I like what I see in the 1D. But I'm not into sports photography at all, so should I get a d60 instead? I'm a nature and studio photographer who likes to take time to set up. Frame rates don't bug me - in fact my current SLR's frame rate depens on how fast you can pull back the film advance lever - which is about 1 frame per 2 seconds.

Actually, my whole dilemma is pointless since I won't be buying a DSLR for another year. This is not by choice, but I'm okay with it. I have a 35mm and still have fun. I like what Canon is doing
Daven said:
you know , that Sigma review really made me sad.....I was getting
a 1ds shipped at the end of the week and I just cancelled it.
There is NO way as a hobbist that im spending 8k on a camera when
there are improvements like the foveon chip right now. It wasnt
that the resolution was equal but the color was dead on as
well.....just look at the silver in the quater comparison! Anyway
I know you have to jump in somewhere and that there are more
qualities as far as a professional camere (lenses, body, auto
focus) but maybe its at the point that you can save more money by
going with yesterdays technology (not last years...lol) save some
money and still get a good camera. God just think what a foveon
would be at 10mp!!! Anyway sorry for the rant but i need to feel
sorry for myself. I will now go and order my 1d and wait till I
see what next year brings.....
rest in peace 1ds : (
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Rylee,

I see other significant advantages with the 1Ds compared to the D60 such as avoiding a 1.6 lens factor that impacts landscape photography significantly. Image taking that 28mm shot which gives you a nice wide perspective and bumping the lens up to nearly 45mm! Only one of the many new features of the 1Ds I can't (but sadly must) wait for.
Rylee Isitt said:
Actually, my whole dilemma is pointless since I won't be buying a
DSLR for another year. This is not by choice, but I'm okay with it.
I have a 35mm and still have fun. I like what Canon is doing
Daven said:
you know , that Sigma review really made me sad.....I was getting
a 1ds shipped at the end of the week and I just cancelled it.
There is NO way as a hobbist that im spending 8k on a camera when
there are improvements like the foveon chip right now. It wasnt
that the resolution was equal but the color was dead on as
well.....just look at the silver in the quater comparison! Anyway
I know you have to jump in somewhere and that there are more
qualities as far as a professional camere (lenses, body, auto
focus) but maybe its at the point that you can save more money by
going with yesterdays technology (not last years...lol) save some
money and still get a good camera. God just think what a foveon
would be at 10mp!!! Anyway sorry for the rant but i need to feel
sorry for myself. I will now go and order my 1d and wait till I
see what next year brings.....
rest in peace 1ds : (
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but andy, does it not bother you that a newer tech chip is out and better that current tech??
you cant tell me that you were not impressed by a chip less than half the d60
andyfrazer said:
Daven said:
you know , that Sigma review really made me sad.....I was getting
a 1ds shipped at the end of the week and I just cancelled it.
There is NO way as a hobbist that im spending 8k on a camera when
there are improvements like the foveon chip right now.
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I've never seen anyone commit $8k to a camera that they either 1)
didn't understand the value of, or 2). didn't think through their
priorities before getting on the waiting list. Keep in mind that a
sensor, in fact an entire camera, does not a make a camera system.
That would be like saying (a few years ago), I don't need a Canon
1V nor a Nikon F5 because Fuji just came out with the Provia film.

But that's OK. Somewhere someone who needs to qualities of the 1Ds
has just been bumped up on the waiting list.

Andy Frazer
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Daven said:
but andy, does it not bother you that a newer tech chip is out and
better that current tech??
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No, it does not bother me. If it's newer I expect it to be better. It doesn't bother me that the new Intel/AMD CPU's are better than the one I bought a year ago.
dave veneri said:
you cant tell me that you were not impressed by a chip less than
half the d60
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I was very impressed with the resolution. But I wasn't impressed with the inability to take exposures longer than one second (which is an absolute requirement for me), nor was I impressed with the loss of quality with higher ISO speeds. Foveon has had to compromise on some aspects of sensor features in order to improve others.

But even if the Foveon sensor beat the D60 sensor at everything, it still wouldn't bother me. First, it's only a sensor, not an entire camera nor a camera system. Second, it's just going add more pressure on Canon to work harder to retain their #1 position in the DSLR market. As a Canon user, that's great for me.

Andy Frazer
http://www.gorillasites.com
 
A g3 to a 1Ds OK i really believe that.
Daven said:
you know , that Sigma review really made me sad.....I was getting
a 1ds shipped at the end of the week and I just cancelled it.
There is NO way as a hobbist that im spending 8k on a camera when
there are improvements like the foveon chip right now. It wasnt
that the resolution was equal but the color was dead on as
well.....just look at the silver in the quater comparison! Anyway
I know you have to jump in somewhere and that there are more
qualities as far as a professional camere (lenses, body, auto
focus) but maybe its at the point that you can save more money by
going with yesterdays technology (not last years...lol) save some
money and still get a good camera. God just think what a foveon
would be at 10mp!!! Anyway sorry for the rant but i need to feel
sorry for myself. I will now go and order my 1d and wait till I
see what next year brings.....
rest in peace 1ds : (
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Steven
D60
707
C700
 
Daven said:
you know , that Sigma review really made me sad.....I was getting
a 1ds shipped at the end of the week and I just cancelled it.
There is NO way as a hobbist that im spending 8k on a camera when
there are improvements like the foveon chip right now. It wasnt
that the resolution was equal but the color was dead on as
well.....just look at the silver in the quater comparison! Anyway
I know you have to jump in somewhere and that there are more
qualities as far as a professional camere (lenses, body, auto
focus) but maybe its at the point that you can save more money by
going with yesterdays technology (not last years...lol) save some
money and still get a good camera. God just think what a foveon
would be at 10mp!!! Anyway sorry for the rant but i need to feel
sorry for myself. I will now go and order my 1d and wait till I
see what next year brings.....
rest in peace 1ds : (
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If you were buying the 1Ds as a toy, then you made the right choice.

If you were buying it as a tool, then you may have made the right choice for YOU and not others.

I don't know if this post is legit but if it is it could be a wise decision.

I am a professional portrait photographer. I bought the D100 this summer as both a test and a personal camera. I am very pleased with it. Later, I bought a second one and both are being used as event cameras.

Then in Sept. I preordered the Kodak DCS 14n to convert my portrait business to digital. When the price came in to close to $5,000 instead of the original $4,000, I reevaluated my decision.

I came to the conclusion that my current film system worked for me. I wasn't going to spend $5,000 for the latest and greatest wonder camera. Sure the 14n and the 1Ds will be great performers that will serve many people well. However, for me I decided to let other people spend their money enriching camera companies and paying for the right to use works in progress.

Some say that I am wasting money on film and development. However, I have found that you spend what you save and more on post processing labor.

Digital will come but the technology is changing too fast for me to be in the fast lane.

Let others pay their money to be innovators. Then I will reap the benefits from their work in the future.

Philip
 
Daven said:
you know , that Sigma review really made me sad.....I was getting
a 1ds shipped at the end of the week and I just cancelled it.
There is NO way as a hobbist that im spending 8k on a camera when
there are improvements like the foveon chip right now. It wasnt
that the resolution was equal but the color was dead on as
well.....just look at the silver in the quater comparison! Anyway
I know you have to jump in somewhere and that there are more
qualities as far as a professional camere (lenses, body, auto
focus) but maybe its at the point that you can save more money by
going with yesterdays technology (not last years...lol) save some
money and still get a good camera. God just think what a foveon
would be at 10mp!!! Anyway sorry for the rant but i need to feel
sorry for myself. I will now go and order my 1d and wait till I
see what next year brings.....
rest in peace 1ds : (
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The foveon looks promising, but like every new technology it needs perfection. Why would you opt to let go of the d1s and go for the sigma? I mean really. Why would you want to limit yourself to a camera that essentially only works in daylight? Shooting sports? Forget about it..that would require you to bump the iso and then you know what happens there. Seems that the Fav. chip does well under ideal situations...but lets be real...how often do your shots happen to be in the "Ideal" situation.

The way I see it, it is a 1700 dollar landscape slr since it can't handle the higher iso's required for other types of photography (except studio).

In a year from now lets see how that chip has progressed. I imagine it will do fine things. Then again a year from now the next greatest cameras will be out both from Nikon and Canon. State of the Art is State of the Past too quickly. Enjoy whats out there now and not what might come about. I would still pick the D60 over the sigma. The lens choices alone would make me say that. Really, sigma lens over an L series??? You have to be smokin some crack!!!
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Photo Noob
D60
50mm 1.8, 75-300mm 4-5.6 III, 22-55 F4-5.6 USM
1 Gig Microdrive
 
god you fruit cakes are nasty!!! I have one on order from CDW #3 on the list. Chill out and massage your prostate!
Steven said:
Daven said:
you know , that Sigma review really made me sad.....I was getting
a 1ds shipped at the end of the week and I just cancelled it.
There is NO way as a hobbist that im spending 8k on a camera when
there are improvements like the foveon chip right now. It wasnt
that the resolution was equal but the color was dead on as
well.....just look at the silver in the quater comparison! Anyway
I know you have to jump in somewhere and that there are more
qualities as far as a professional camere (lenses, body, auto
focus) but maybe its at the point that you can save more money by
going with yesterdays technology (not last years...lol) save some
money and still get a good camera. God just think what a foveon
would be at 10mp!!! Anyway sorry for the rant but i need to feel
sorry for myself. I will now go and order my 1d and wait till I
see what next year brings.....
rest in peace 1ds : (
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Steven
D60
707
C700
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Daven said:
you know , that Sigma review really made me sad.....I was getting
a 1ds shipped at the end of the week and I just cancelled it.
There is NO way as a hobbist that im spending 8k on a camera when
there are improvements like the foveon chip right now. It wasnt
that the resolution was equal but the color was dead on as
well.....just look at the silver in the quater comparison! Anyway
I know you have to jump in somewhere and that there are more
qualities as far as a professional camere (lenses, body, auto
focus) but maybe its at the point that you can save more money by
going with yesterdays technology (not last years...lol) save some
money and still get a good camera. God just think what a foveon
would be at 10mp!!! Anyway sorry for the rant but i need to feel
sorry for myself. I will now go and order my 1d and wait till I
see what next year brings.....
rest in peace 1ds : (
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Yes foveon chip is better, not for the high iso, but better colors.
But Sigma sd9 only used sigma lens, worse lens than Canon/Nikon
 
I thought he meant he wanted to get the 1D now instead of 1Ds.

What is wrong with that ?
Photo Noob said:
The foveon looks promising, but like every new technology it needs
perfection. Why would you opt to let go of the d1s and go for the
sigma? I mean really. Why would you want to limit yourself to a
camera that essentially only works in daylight? Shooting sports?
Forget about it..that would require you to bump the iso and then
you know what happens there. Seems that the Fav. chip does well
under ideal situations...but lets be real...how often do your shots
happen to be in the "Ideal" situation.

The way I see it, it is a 1700 dollar landscape slr since it can't
handle the higher iso's required for other types of photography
(except studio).

In a year from now lets see how that chip has progressed. I imagine
it will do fine things. Then again a year from now the next
greatest cameras will be out both from Nikon and Canon. State of
the Art is State of the Past too quickly. Enjoy whats out there now
and not what might come about. I would still pick the D60 over the
sigma. The lens choices alone would make me say that. Really, sigma
lens over an L series??? You have to be smokin some crack!!!
--
Photo Noob
D60
50mm 1.8, 75-300mm 4-5.6 III, 22-55 F4-5.6 USM
1 Gig Microdrive
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Yeah. Full frame sensors are becomming more popular, and despite the fact they are harder to build and more costly, as with all things they will become easier to build and less costly as they are mass produced. I'm secretly hoping Canon implements a "perfect" (well, improved) full frame foveon-style chip in their next Dxx camera, but if they don't, I'm sure they'll still come up with a killer camera.

Nature photography is a strange beast - at times I'd love a 1.5x field of view crop to give me that extra zoom, but at other times I want 28mm to capture a vast landscape. I don't really have a specialty subject type - I shoot stuff I find interesting, whether it's people, animals, landscapes, or abstract objects. I do all sorts of stuff, so I need to get a camera that won't restrict me too much.

I'd probably be able to get by with the 1d's (not to be confused with the 1ds) 1.3 crop and exceptionally wide angle lenses (expensive, too, I imagine), but it would still be nice to get a 28mm shot with a 28mm lens.

Apparently the quality of cameras like the d60 have nearly surpassed 35mm prints - very cool! I love working with photoshop so a D-SLR would be heaploads of fun for me. With the field I'm going in to, photography wouldn't be my main source of income but it will definately give me an advantage. More than anything, I do it just because I enjoy it. I can hardly wait until I grab myself a D-SLR. I better stop thinking about it, though, because I have a long wait ahead of me.

I'm excited about where digital photography is heading to say the least.
Jim Pugh said:
I see other significant advantages with the 1Ds compared to the D60
such as avoiding a 1.6 lens factor that impacts landscape
photography significantly. Image taking that 28mm shot which gives
you a nice wide perspective and bumping the lens up to nearly 45mm!
Only one of the many new features of the 1Ds I can't (but sadly
must) wait for.
Rylee Isitt said:
Actually, my whole dilemma is pointless since I won't be buying a
DSLR for another year. This is not by choice, but I'm okay with it.
I have a 35mm and still have fun. I like what Canon is doing
Daven said:
you know , that Sigma review really made me sad.....I was getting
a 1ds shipped at the end of the week and I just cancelled it.
There is NO way as a hobbist that im spending 8k on a camera when
there are improvements like the foveon chip right now. It wasnt
that the resolution was equal but the color was dead on as
well.....just look at the silver in the quater comparison! Anyway
I know you have to jump in somewhere and that there are more
qualities as far as a professional camere (lenses, body, auto
focus) but maybe its at the point that you can save more money by
going with yesterdays technology (not last years...lol) save some
money and still get a good camera. God just think what a foveon
would be at 10mp!!! Anyway sorry for the rant but i need to feel
sorry for myself. I will now go and order my 1d and wait till I
see what next year brings.....
rest in peace 1ds : (
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Daven said:
you know , that Sigma review really made me sad.....I was getting
a 1ds shipped at the end of the week and I just cancelled it.
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Hi

Come on, ALL DSLRs are trasitional technology........ if u didn't realise it by now. My D30 was superseded by the 1D and later on the D60, but I haven't had the urge to upgrade in light of that.

the thing is, if the image quality of your current DSLR makes you happy today, why would it make you sad tomorrow when newer models come out? After all, aren't D60s supposed to equal film in quality already?

if u continue to chase the latest model, the race will never end. not so soon yet anyway. and u'll continue to sink in more and more money with no end in sight.....

that's why i'm sticking to my Leicas until things finally settle down....at least with my trusty M6, I can even use it without batteries, and i never have to worry about it being superseded by the next newer model.... :)

--
Red Dawn
 
I was cancelling for the 1d!!! God I know theres some tension in the forums but really! I was drawing an infrence to the fact that the CHIP was advanced tech. This is just like computer chips, you pay less in the future for better thats all.....Yes im not disputing the 1ds for its overwelming OTHER features its just that at 8k for a now what seems like a lesser chip (to me) its a lot of cash for a hobbist!! Does that make any sense?? God, the 1d new was 5500.00 I was also hoping that Canon would have dropped the price a bit to 6500.00-7000.00

ALL im saying is that if the foveon turns out to be a better tech design than whos to say that I wouldnt be better off with a 1d for now and in a couple of years get a canon or nikon camera, higher MP with an improved chip design??? it's hard buying a Camera (even though its stock packed with a lot of other professional features) that seems to be based on a chip or sensor that may have just taken the back seat to this Foveon chip. AND PLEASE!! Im not talking about the stinky featureless sigma!!! Im talking/ Typing about the chip!!
God, And to think i had guilty feelings about sleeping with my cousin!
: )
Daven said:
you know , that Sigma review really made me sad.....I was getting
a 1ds shipped at the end of the week and I just cancelled it.
There is NO way as a hobbist that im spending 8k on a camera when
there are improvements like the foveon chip right now. It wasnt
that the resolution was equal but the color was dead on as
well.....just look at the silver in the quater comparison! Anyway
I know you have to jump in somewhere and that there are more
qualities as far as a professional camere (lenses, body, auto
focus) but maybe its at the point that you can save more money by
going with yesterdays technology (not last years...lol) save some
money and still get a good camera. God just think what a foveon
would be at 10mp!!! Anyway sorry for the rant but i need to feel
sorry for myself. I will now go and order my 1d and wait till I
see what next year brings.....
rest in peace 1ds : (
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