Hmmm I just got to say....

whilst I understand all the negative feedback ref the SD1 launch price....myself included...and despite feeling like adding fuel to the fire how many have had a good look and play with sample pics?

I've had a bit of time this afternoon in the studio to download all of them and do some very big resizes and prints.....al i can say is stunning.

It blows away cameras like the 5d mk2 and the 1ds mk2, I've got both.....it also looked a lot better than the Pentax 645d samples I've got.

We have a full complement of MF film gear which we still use and had looked as the SD1 as being a budget MF camera rather than forking out for the 645d, which doesnt set me on fire, or just bitting the bullet and going with hassy.

I'm pretty sure when the dust settles we'll see some sensible pricing albeit not at the level most where expecting but probably at a level we'll bite at.
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Thanks for a positive note in the midst of chaos.

I'm glad you liked the prints and images, I too thought prints from the images were pretty awesome (though I've only printed a few).

Like you, I too believe that at some point before too long the price will settle down at some more reasonable level.

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Geoff_R said:

I've had a bit of time this afternoon in the studio to download all of them and do some very big resizes and prints.....al i can say is stunning.

It blows away cameras like the 5d mk2 and the 1ds mk2, I've got both.....it also looked a lot better than the Pentax 645d samples I've got.

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eh...if you like green/magenta skin-tones at ISO200, yeah...it's downright perfect! Both of the ISO200 samples show GOBs of green/magenta chroma noise on the subjects' skin...that's ridiculous...I'd love to see an ISO6400 shot...should be beyond comical.
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Sorry, but your monitor is not calibrated. Yes, there is some magenta blotching in the picture of the man standing and very small cyan areas on his sleeve; but the gal has none.

Just to make sure, I had others check for "anything"; they found the same stuff with prompting. Without prompting, only the magenta in the above.

When I moved the image to my uncalibrated tools monitor, everything was there in all its glory in man image. The colors in both were also then "off."

And any of the problems you are going on about are more than likely due to the firmware build and generally processing.

AngryCorgi said:

Geoff_R said:

I've had a bit of time this afternoon in the studio to download all of them and do some very big resizes and prints.....al i can say is stunning.

It blows away cameras like the 5d mk2 and the 1ds mk2, I've got both.....it also looked a lot better than the Pentax 645d samples I've got.

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eh...if you like green/magenta skin-tones at ISO200, yeah...it's downright perfect! Both of the ISO200 samples show GOBs of green/magenta chroma noise on the subjects' skin...that's ridiculous...I'd love to see an ISO6400 shot...should be beyond comical.
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Laurence Matson said:

Sorry, but your monitor is not calibrated. Yes, there is some magenta blotching in the picture of the man standing and very small cyan areas on his sleeve; but the gal has none.

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Look again. Just below her chin on her neck and all about her calves below her dress. It blots the noise in skin tones on both shots.
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-AC

Could be, but no one in this house is seeing it on a very good calibrated AdobeRGB monitor. When I move the image to the uncalibrated sRGB monitor, some of that can be seen, but then the rest of the image has also gone to hëll.

This is one of the reasons I think pixel peeping is a waste of time. Prints always tell the true story imnsho.

AngryCorgi said:

Laurence Matson said:

Sorry, but your monitor is not calibrated. Yes, there is some magenta blotching in the picture of the man standing and very small cyan areas on his sleeve; but the gal has none.

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Look again. Just below her chin on her neck and all about her calves below her dress. It blots the noise in skin tones on both shots.
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-AC

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Chance favors the prepared mind.
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http://www.pbase.com/sigmadslr/root
http://www.pbase.com/cameras/sigma/dp1
http://www.pbase.com/cameras/sigma/sd14
http://www.pbase.com/cameras/sigma/sd10
http://www.pbase.com/cameras/sigma/sd9

You shouldn't be looking there ! ;-)
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What basically means that monitors except colibrated ones do suffer from color cast seriously so other brands like Oly Nikon Fuji correct their cameras so their images look right on uncalibrated ones except SIGMA?

Have you printed images to compare them side by side? Were your Mark images that was used to compare with SD1 ones taken from tripod using good fix lens with proper scenery lighting?

From my experience Lieca M was getting pretty close to MF world in film era with Leica glasses only and only when the image was taken from a tripod. Konica Hexar RF on the same body was not as good. And Sigma glasses are not as good as Konica Hexar not to mention Leica M.

MF quality are in MF glasses first of all and good rigid tripod second IMHO.

Laurence Matson said:

Could be, but no one in this house is seeing it on a very good calibrated AdobeRGB monitor. When I move the image to the uncalibrated sRGB monitor, some of that can be seen, but then the rest of the image has also gone to hëll.

This is one of the reasons I think pixel peeping is a waste of time. Prints always tell the true story imnsho.

AngryCorgi said:

Laurence Matson said:

Sorry, but your monitor is not calibrated. Yes, there is some magenta blotching in the picture of the man standing and very small cyan areas on his sleeve; but the gal has none.

Click to expand...

Look again. Just below her chin on her neck and all about her calves below her dress. It blots the noise in skin tones on both shots.
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-AC

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Chance favors the prepared mind.
Louis Pasteur

http://www.pbase.com/lmatson/root
http://www.pbase.com/sigmadslr/root
http://www.pbase.com/cameras/sigma/dp1
http://www.pbase.com/cameras/sigma/sd14
http://www.pbase.com/cameras/sigma/sd10
http://www.pbase.com/cameras/sigma/sd9

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FWIW my humble opinion about SD1 image quality: it has the 'feel' of any other image shot with a Foveon based camera, just even sharper, more detailed, more filmy and more in the way I'd like all digital images to be. But I'm biassed, I fell for the 'Foveon-look' whatever may define that way back when the SD9 hit the market.

Is it really better than the competition? I doubt you can honestly say that, because I truly believe that a good RAW-image from any digital MF camera or any top of the range FF dSLR can be made to look just as good if you have the skills and the time to do a lot of postprocessing.

Better than the 645D? Hmmm, again I doubt that, it's just different. But really use a 645D to the very edge of it's capabilities and stick one of the best lenses Pentax can offer on that camera, and I'm sure the results will blow you away, too.

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Ringwraith69 said:

FWIW my humble opinion about SD1 image quality: it has the 'feel' of any other image shot with a Foveon based camera, just even sharper, more detailed, more filmy and more in the way I'd like all digital images to be. But I'm biassed, I fell for the 'Foveon-look' whatever may define that way back when the SD9 hit the market.

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In regard to the "filmy" comment: The one issue I have is that when I get my film processed (be it ektar100 or walgreen's cheapo 800) I never see alternating magenta and green blobs on people's skin. Its hideous.
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-AC

IMHO even digital pictures of M9 on Pbase make SD1 samples biting dust.
And M9 costs less then SIGMA SD1...

Guys from SIGMA have very special sense of humor with their MF-like body that does not have even 35mm FF sensor.

AngryCorgi said:

eh...if you like green/magenta skin-tones at ISO200, yeah...it's downright perfect! Both of the ISO200 samples show GOBs of green/magenta chroma noise on the subjects' skin...that's ridiculous...I'd love to see an ISO6400 shot...should be beyond comical.

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On my calibrated mac screen I can just make out a slight "cast" running from top right, as viewed on the pic, of the neck to the bottom left side of neck at approx 45 degrees. There is a deeper magenta cast on the shadow line with a more subtle green magenta shift in the area below this line. It didnt show in the print i did and funnily enough doesnt show any significant shifts by the numbers in ps.

I can see it but I'm not convinced its noise. Ref the legs I'm not sure that what I can see is anything other than a cast caused by light being reflected off the grass.....I dunno I reserve judgement.
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I think you sprayer an interesting point with printing. I partially agree. Fuji for example with the super ccd sampling always looked better In print.

That said I am seeing a lot of softness I am not used to see with my dp2. Could certainly be at least partially the lens but again I am more than willing to wait for final firmware/ software before judging this.

I do like the colors of some of the shots and do remind me of Foveon - carls shot with ma. But the tree and the girl with the blond hair.

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