Why does Tamron not offer a standard range walk around zoom?

They make a very well respected walk around zoom. The 28-75 f/2.8 zoom for film/full frame. An excellent lens. I own it.
Talking about 24mm FF equivalent when used on APS-C.

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Tokina offers a 16 to something lens in dx format doesnt it?

but thats by the by, i think you should be more concerned that Pentax isnt offering you a suitable 'serious amateur/ lightwight pro' standard zoom

Nikon and Canon do, and that maybe why the independants dont seem to want to compete in this sector

Its not just a matter of price why folk choose the independant lenses. Say the one i have, the 17-50 VC, i chose it because not only was it MUCH MUCH MUCH cheaper than anything like Nikon could match, but also Nikon DOES NOT OFFER A SIMILAR LENS!!!! - the 17-50 doesnt have VR, and its pro grade so its big and heavy - it is a different lens for a different use.

We will see how Tamron does with the 70-300 VC. Canon have an L lens for its users - in nice geryish white livery and Nikon have the 70-300 VR. Now the tamron is MUCH cheaper than the Canon L, but canon have a competetive 70-300 IS i believe, and also the Tamron is not much cheaper (if at all) that the Nikon.

I also understand that as a Pentax user, you dont care about in lens vibration reduction. All i can say is, pray that Pentax and Sony(with crop sensors) with their internal VR get a larger slice of the serious amateur body market, because thats whats going to get Tamron, Sigma et al make you your non vibration lenses.

However a large chunk ( probably a big enough chunk to make the difference) of the market is looking for lenses with vibration reduction. Most are looking for lenses that will make them think twice before buying Canon or Nikon own brand lenses, or looking for a Lens not in their line up- like the plastic rather than pro 17-50 2.8(either vc or not), or sigmas' bigmas. Or of course if they are much much, much cheaper.- and i mean MUCH cheaper, like two thirds the price of a cheap lens going to half the price of a costlier one.

I'm not saying they shouldn't- i would love there to be a big healthy DSLR market, with lots of companies with lots of solutions, but as it is, with own brand Kit lenses so attractively priced and of excellent quality (for the crop sensor market at least), i cant see where the independants can squeeze the two big boys in this sector. Folk upgrade from the standard kit lens to get not only a slightly wider back end but also to up the quality. It is something the buyers put a premium on- there is an element of luxiary about the 16-85 lenses. Again, those buyers might not be so inclined to choose the independants.

Think about it this way, someone thinking in their head : "if i am going to have one and one only own brand lens, it might as well be the one I use the most" and that is probably going to be the lens you want in your OP
 
It's a great lens, and as far as I'm concerned the perfect "walk around lens."

I have no idea what this thread is about... :(
As I've said in the OP:
I'm quite surprised that Tamron after all these years hasn't come up with a competitor to the Sigma 17-70mm and an alternative to the different 24mm equivalent zooms most manufacturers now offer.
As 28mm on APS-C is about 42mm equivalent in stead of the roughly 24mm equivalent I'm talking about, I hope you see the point now.
What is your definition of a "walk around lens?"

I figure, the walk in the City lens, not the walk around looking for landscapes lens.

But hey, if this is your definition, who0 am I to argue.

Dave
 
What is your definition of a "walk around lens?"

I figure, the walk in the City lens, not the walk around looking for landscapes lens.

But hey, if this is your definition, who0 am I to argue.
I have not defined what a walk around lens is and wholeheatly agree that for everyone it can be different. I just felt the need to stress again that as in the original post I was talking about walk around lenses that start at roughly 24mm equivalent.

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Wish cams: LX5, XZ-1 or 4/3 pocket cam with fixed stabilized zoom lens.
Current lens: 18-55mm F3.5-5.6, 50mm F1.4, Sigma 105mm F2.8 macro

Wish lens: 16-90mm F3.5-5.6 or 17-90mm F3.2-4.5, a 70-300mm F3.2-4.5, usable quality with 1.4TC, 60mm F2 macro, 135mm F2.8 macro.
 
Tamron doesn't seem interested in covering every category like Sigma does. They just make lenses for the most popular "upgrade" lenses for your average non-pro.
 
Tamron doesn't seem interested in covering every category like Sigma does. They just make lenses for the most popular "upgrade" lenses for your average non-pro.
To me the lenses described in the OP seems like very suitable candidates as upgrades to the different 18-55mm kit lenses for your average non-pro. On the topic of popularity we can discuss untill we see blue, but likely won't achieve agreement here.

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Current cam: K10D, TZ1
Wish cams: LX5, XZ-1 or 4/3 pocket cam with fixed stabilized zoom lens.
Current lens: 18-55mm F3.5-5.6, 50mm F1.4, Sigma 105mm F2.8 macro

Wish lens: 16-90mm F3.5-5.6 or 17-90mm F3.2-4.5, a 70-300mm F3.2-4.5, usable quality with 1.4TC, 60mm F2 macro, 135mm F2.8 macro.
 
then what is the op complaining about!
 
Tamron doesn't seem interested in covering every category like Sigma does. They just make lenses for the most popular "upgrade" lenses for your average non-pro.
To me the lenses described in the OP seems like very suitable candidates as upgrades to the different 18-55mm kit lenses for your average non-pro. On the topic of popularity we can discuss untill we see blue, but likely won't achieve agreement here.
We aren't saying we don't think those would be useful lenses, only guessing at why Tamron isn't making one. It doesn't matter if we all agree Tamron should make one, the fact is that they aren't. In the meantime, Sigma and Pentax both make 17-70's for your camera.
 
Tamron doesn't seem interested in covering every category like Sigma does. They just make lenses for the most popular "upgrade" lenses for your average non-pro.
To me the lenses described in the OP seems like very suitable candidates as upgrades to the different 18-55mm kit lenses for your average non-pro. On the topic of popularity we can discuss untill we see blue, but likely won't achieve agreement here.
We aren't saying we don't think those would be useful lenses, only guessing at why Tamron isn't making one. It doesn't matter if we all agree Tamron should make one, the fact is that they aren't. In the meantime, Sigma and Pentax both make 17-70's for your camera.
I've already almost bought a 2nd hand Sigma 17-70mm, but it showed severe front focussing on my K10D.

Although such a hypothetical Tamron lens would interest me it's also my surprise that they don't make one. Apart from that I would very much like it to start from 16mm.

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Current cam: K10D, TZ1
Wish cams: LX5, XZ-1 or 4/3 pocket cam with fixed stabilized zoom lens.
Current lens: 18-55mm F3.5-5.6, 50mm F1.4, Sigma 105mm F2.8 macro

Wish lens: 16-90mm F3.5-5.6 or 17-90mm F3.2-4.5, a 70-300mm F3.2-4.5, usable quality with 1.4TC, 60mm F2 macro, 135mm F2.8 macro.
 
then what is the op complaining about!
Apparently he wants it from Tamron and not Sigma or Pentax? Honestly, I have no idea.. :)
Can you guys get over the fact not everything in live is about personal interest? I'm just genuinely surprised they haven't jumped into this "booming market", but I'm convinced they will within the next 1.5 year or so.

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Current cam: K10D, TZ1
Wish cams: LX5, XZ-1 or 4/3 pocket cam with fixed stabilized zoom lens.
Current lens: 18-55mm F3.5-5.6, 50mm F1.4, Sigma 105mm F2.8 macro

Wish lens: 16-90mm F3.5-5.6 or 17-90mm F3.2-4.5, a 70-300mm F3.2-4.5, usable quality with 1.4TC, 60mm F2 macro, 135mm F2.8 macro.
 
Tamron has two quite successful wide angle zooms; the 17-50mm F2.8 and the 18-250/270mm designs. I'm quite surprised that Tamron after all these years hasn't come up with a competitor to the Sigma 17-70mm and an alternative to the different 24mm equivalant zooms most manufacturers now offer. They certainly have what it takes to make a good wide angle zoom, so why are they not jumping into this part of the market?

Possible designs could be (prices without VC):
Without VC, hmm, why? For Sony and Pentax this doesn't matter, but Sigma is putting more and more OS units in their lenses which would be more appealing to Canon/Nikon shooters.
16-70mm F3.5-5.6, MSRP $349
No. 1mm wider than the Sigma and 1/3rd of a stop slower, with no OS, no macro, I think this wouldn't sell well. Tokina has an option that is $50 less with more zoom.
16-70mm F3.2-4.5, MSRP $449
Sigma 17-70 F2.8-4.5 Retail Price: $470, includes OS (Stabilization), HSM (a relatively quiet and fast AF motor), and you get close to 1:2 Macro as well.
At this price point and with fewer features than the Sigma it will never sell.

Pentax also has an excellent 17-70 F4 for $480, so Tamron wont be able to sell to the Pentax crowd.
16-80mm F3.5-5.6, MSRP $399
For that range you'll never get it at that price, granted, this is the option that I would like to see Tamron make, but it'll likely never happen. It would absolutely have to have their VC unit in it and it likely would cost closer to the $550 price.
17-90mm F3.5-5.6, MSRP $349
17-90mm F3.2-4.5, MSRP $449
Again, for that range you'll never get it at that price. 90mm w/no "VC", unless they make it in only Sony or Pentax mounts, no thanks. It'll never compete against the Nikon 16-85 VR or 18-105 VR, Canon 15-85 IS or 18-135 IS and possibly have trouble even competing against the Sony 16-105 or Pentax 18-135.
17-105mm F3.5-5.6, MSRP $399
Sigma 18-125 F3.8-5.6 OS HSM...$339 @ bh. $60 less, more range overall, and "OS".

Nikon has an 18-105 VR for $400, and Canon has an 18-135 for $450. You'd never be able to sell this lens to two of the biggest markets - especially considering that these lenses are also sold a 'kit lenses' on some of the cameras.

Oh and Tokina makes this already: 16.5-135mm f/3.5-5.6 AT-X DX AF. It sells for $299, no "VC" but more range than anything you listed, also it's priced lower than anything you listed too.
Any thoughts?
Some times it's not all about being a competitor, sometimes it's about being different. (e.g. 18-270 PZD.) Yes, Tamron doesn't make a competitor to the Sigma 17-70, but what's wrong with the Sigma, every copy I've ever used/tested has been flawless, and on more than one occasion made me rethink my decision to spend an extra $350 more for my Canon 15-85. Personally, as long as someone makes a lens close to what I need, I don't care who makes it (Tamron, Sigma, or Tokina - or one of the major manufactures). Lens Manufactures, I'm sure have done more market research than every person on every camera forum combined in figuring out what will sell. Now sometimes that research takes time to bring a lens out to market. Sorry, I don't mean to be a downer, but much of what you listed is either impractical, already been done, or in a couple of cases more money than a competing product.
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Current cam: K10D, TZ1
Wish cams: LX5, XZ-1 or 4/3 pocket cam with fixed stabilized zoom lens.
Current lens: 18-55mm F3.5-5.6, 50mm F1.4, Sigma 105mm F2.8 macro

Wish lens: 16-90mm F3.5-5.6 or 17-90mm F3.2-4.5, a 70-300mm F3.2-4.5, usable quality with 1.4TC, 60mm F2 macro, 135mm F2.8 macro.
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Why do you even care if Tamron does not make your perfect walk around lens, especially, as you have laborously pointed out, every other manufacturer does?

Solution: buy something other than Tamron.

There, problem solved.

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Why do you even care if Tamron does not make your perfect walk around lens, especially, as you have laborously pointed out, every other manufacturer does?

Solution: buy something other than Tamron.

There, problem solved.
If you bother to read some post you would know why.

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Current cam: K10D, TZ1
Wish cams: LX5, XZ-1 or 4/3 pocket cam with fixed stabilized zoom lens.
Current lens: 18-55mm F3.5-5.6, 50mm F1.4, Sigma 105mm F2.8 macro

Wish lens: 16-90mm F3.5-5.6 or 17-90mm F3.2-4.5, a 70-300mm F3.2-4.5, usable quality with 1.4TC, 60mm F2 macro, 135mm F2.8 macro.
 
Sometimes 'why' questions are impossible to answer. I have given some very generalised answers, others have given very specific replies. You should especially [re]read the post by Nowhearthis
Why do you even care if Tamron does not make your perfect walk around lens, especially, as you have laborously pointed out, every other manufacturer does?

Solution: buy something other than Tamron.

There, problem solved.
If you bother to read some post you would know why.

quality with 1.4TC, 60mm F2 macro, 135mm F2.8 macro.
 
Sometimes 'why' questions are impossible to answer. I have given some very generalised answers, others have given very specific replies. You should especially [re]read the post by Nowhearthis
Planning to respond to that one. Tough day at work, so didn't feel like it today.

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Current cam: K10D, TZ1
Wish cams: LX5, XZ-1 or 4/3 pocket cam with fixed stabilized zoom lens.
Current lens: 18-55mm F3.5-5.6, 50mm F1.4, Sigma 105mm F2.8 macro

Wish lens: 16-90mm F3.5-5.6 or 17-90mm F3.2-4.5, a 70-300mm F3.2-4.5, usable quality with 1.4TC, 60mm F2 macro, 135mm F2.8 macro.
 
If you bother to read some post you would know why.
I have read all the posts. I just do not understand why somebody makes such an issue out of such a NON-ISSUE .

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Well I'm ok with that, I suppose you are too. ;)
If you bother to read some post you would know why.
I have read all the posts. I just do not understand why somebody makes such an issue out of such a NON-ISSUE .

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Current cam: K10D, TZ1
Wish cams: LX5, XZ-1 or 4/3 pocket cam with fixed stabilized zoom lens.
Current lens: 18-55mm F3.5-5.6, 50mm F1.4, Sigma 105mm F2.8 macro

Wish lens: 16-90mm F3.5-5.6 or 17-90mm F3.2-4.5, a 70-300mm F3.2-4.5, usable quality with 1.4TC, 60mm F2 macro, 135mm F2.8 macro.
 
Possible designs could be (prices without VC):
Without VC, hmm, why? For Sony and Pentax this doesn't matter, but Sigma is putting more and more OS units in their lenses which would be more appealing to Canon/Nikon shooters.
It was just to give an indication of prices. See the other post to see indicative prices with and without VC. http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1018&message=38335466
16-70mm F3.5-5.6, MSRP $349
No. 1mm wider than the Sigma and 1/3rd of a stop slower, with no OS, no macro, I think this wouldn't sell well. Tokina has an option that is $50 less with more zoom.
The price makes it a competitor for the Sigma 18-50mm F2.8-4.5. For some a more flexible range is more important that aperture, especially for walk-around/landscape use or if they already have fast primes. Prices are just an indication.
16-70mm F3.2-4.5, MSRP $449
Sigma 17-70 F2.8-4.5 Retail Price: $470, includes OS (Stabilization), HSM (a relatively quiet and fast AF motor), and you get close to 1:2 Macro as well.
At this price point and with fewer features than the Sigma it will never sell.

Pentax also has an excellent 17-70 F4 for $480, so Tamron wont be able to sell to the Pentax crowd.
MSRP for the Sigma is either $580 without OS or $680 with. In the other post MSRP for the version with VC would be $549 and what features Tamron would include in the design is for them to choose. They offer plenty of zooms with decent macro and their PZD drive doesn't seem to be too bad either.
16-80mm F3.5-5.6, MSRP $399
For that range you'll never get it at that price, granted, this is the option that I would like to see Tamron make, but it'll likely never happen. It would absolutely have to have their VC unit in it and it likely would cost closer to the $550 price.
MSRP of $550 with VC would still be ok. It would make it 30% cheaper than the Nikon option in the shop for example.
17-90mm F3.5-5.6, MSRP $349
17-90mm F3.2-4.5, MSRP $449
Again, for that range you'll never get it at that price. 90mm w/no "VC", unless they make it in only Sony or Pentax mounts, no thanks. It'll never compete against the
Nikon 16-85 VR, Canon 15-85 IS
Way cheaper
18-105 VR,
Wider
18-135 IS, Sony 16-105
Optically not great
or Pentax 18-135.
So far opinions on IQ are mixed and prices are pretty steep.
17-105mm F3.5-5.6, MSRP $399
Sigma 18-125 F3.8-5.6 OS HSM...$339 @ bh. $60 less, more range overall, and "OS".
Sorry to dissapoint you but the MSRP of the Sigma is $580 and to many 17mm compared to 18 is much more important than 105mm compared to 125.
Nikon has an 18-105 VR for $400, and Canon has an 18-135 for $450. You'd never be able to sell this lens to two of the biggest markets - especially considering that these lenses are also sold a 'kit lenses' on some of the cameras.
How does Sigma then sell their 18-125mm you just mentioned? ;)
Oh and Tokina makes this already: 16.5-135mm f/3.5-5.6 AT-X DX AF. It sells for $299, no "VC" but more range than anything you listed, also it's priced lower than anything you listed too.
And it's optically more crap than almost anything listed.
Any thoughts?
Some times it's not all about being a competitor, sometimes it's about being different. (e.g. 18-270 PZD.) Yes, Tamron doesn't make a competitor to the Sigma 17-70, but what's wrong with the Sigma, every copy I've ever used/tested has been flawless, and on more than one occasion made me rethink my decision to spend an extra $350 more for my Canon 15-85. Personally, as long as someone makes a lens close to what I need, I don't care who makes it (Tamron, Sigma, or Tokina - or one of the major manufactures). Lens Manufactures, I'm sure have done more market research than every person on every camera forum combined in figuring out what will sell. Now sometimes that research takes time to bring a lens out to market. Sorry, I don't mean to be a downer, but much of what you listed is either impractical, already been done, or in a couple of cases more money than a competing product.
For one you are comparing MSRP with street prices, making it completely useless. Secondly, as already mentioned, Tamron has been competing with body manufacturers and Sigma in numerous lens types without a problem. This type of lens is a large market and EVERY lens manufacturer has jumped into it except Tamron. I reckon to ask ""why not? is a very legitimate question. I always thought that asking questions was a good thing, but it seems I must've been mistaken.

I agree it doesn't matter much who makes the lens, but I'm just as curious why they don't make a lens like this from a marketing point of view. But it seems for many that is hard to understand.
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Current cam: K10D, TZ1
Wish cams: LX5, XZ-1 or 4/3 pocket cam with fixed stabilized zoom lens.
Current lens: 18-55mm F3.5-5.6, 50mm F1.4, Sigma 105mm F2.8 macro

Wish lens: 16-90mm F3.5-5.6 or 17-90mm F3.2-4.5, a 70-300mm F3.2-4.5, usable quality with 1.4TC, 60mm F2 macro, 135mm F2.8 macro.
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I'm critical because I care. I don't criticise things with no potential, so take it as a good sign.

http://flickr.com/photos/56983515@N00/

http://pentaxlensrange.blogspot.com/2010/04/pentax-is-still-missing-few-lenses-to.html
Current cam: K10D, TZ1
Wish cams: LX5, XZ-1 or 4/3 pocket cam with fixed stabilized zoom lens.
Current lens: 18-55mm F3.5-5.6, 50mm F1.4, Sigma 105mm F2.8 macro

Wish lens: 16-90mm F3.5-5.6 or 17-90mm F3.2-4.5, a 70-300mm F3.2-4.5, usable quality with 1.4TC, 60mm F2 macro, 135mm F2.8 macro.
 

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