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I have recently looked at my colour photo prints made in March. During the 7 month while the pictures were locked away in the dark, the black ink seems to smear though the rest of the picture, making the print very unsharp. Does anyone know how this comes?

I am using a HP970Cxi printer with HP's original ink and I print on HP Premium Photo Paper, glossy.

If this is the future of digital photography, than I might as well stop...
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Marc
 
There isn't any black ink as such on a 970 photo print, it's a mixture of the 3 colours. My 930 (same cartridge and print engine) prints from 2 years ago on HP paper (I only printed a few though) seem fine and none of my other prints on different papers show this fault either.

My guess is there was rather too much ink laid down, which can be a problem if the Auto Enhance is on, contrast is high etc., and it never dried properly in the darkest areas.
Marc said:
I have recently looked at my colour photo prints made in March.
During the 7 month while the pictures were locked away in the dark,
the black ink seems to smear though the rest of the picture, making
the print very unsharp. Does anyone know how this comes?
I am using a HP970Cxi printer with HP's original ink and I print on
HP Premium Photo Paper, glossy.

If this is the future of digital photography, than I might as well
stop...
--
Marc
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SteveB said:
My guess is there was rather too much ink laid down, which can be a
problem if the Auto Enhance is on, contrast is high etc., and it
never dried properly in the darkest areas.
Marc said:
I have recently looked at my colour photo prints made in March.
During the 7 month while the pictures were locked away in the dark,
the black ink seems to smear though the rest of the picture, making
the print very unsharp. Does anyone know how this comes?
I am using a HP970Cxi printer with HP's original ink and I print on
HP Premium Photo Paper, glossy.

If this is the future of digital photography, than I might as well
stop...
--
Marc
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Marc,

I had this problem with ink migration using a EPSON 870 printer on Kodak glossy paper of my late dad. After three years the pictures are quite blurry. This upsets me somewhat to say at the least. I can not believe that this is not more common. Since the ink dyes are not as water resistance some glossy papers may be better in controlling this migration when the humidly is high. The problem is that I can not wait for a three year test on this. I never have a problem with prints turning orange or yellow. This is happening with the pictures I send to my mother in upstate New York. I trying to find ways to solve this issue and I understand your feeelings.
Marc said:
I have recently looked at my colour photo prints made in March.
During the 7 month while the pictures were locked away in the dark,
the black ink seems to smear though the rest of the picture, making
the print very unsharp. Does anyone know how this comes?
I am using a HP970Cxi printer with HP's original ink and I print on
HP Premium Photo Paper, glossy.

If this is the future of digital photography, than I might as well
stop...
--
Marc
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The kodak and hp paper never really absorb the ink. They are pretty much the worst paper available. The ink lays on top of the paper and any humidity or moisture will cause the ink to rub off, bleed, etc. Use an abosorbing paper and it will take care of THIS problem anyway. Numerous absorbing papers are in fact water resistant using dye inks. I have tested this with both canon and HP ink. The canon ink is a ittle more resistant than the HP, but I'm sure the epson is also using the right paper. Take the picture and run it under water and rub the ink after it has dried and you will see. Better papers like canon, epson, office depot, etc. will not rub off with water.

MT
John57 said:
I had this problem with ink migration using a EPSON 870 printer on
Kodak glossy paper of my late dad. After three years the pictures
are quite blurry. This upsets me somewhat to say at the least. I
can not believe that this is not more common. Since the ink dyes
are not as water resistance some glossy papers may be better in
controlling this migration when the humidly is high. The problem is
that I can not wait for a three year test on this. I never have a
problem with prints turning orange or yellow. This is happening
with the pictures I send to my mother in upstate New York. I trying
to find ways to solve this issue and I understand your feeelings.
Marc said:
I have recently looked at my colour photo prints made in March.
During the 7 month while the pictures were locked away in the dark,
the black ink seems to smear though the rest of the picture, making
the print very unsharp. Does anyone know how this comes?
I am using a HP970Cxi printer with HP's original ink and I print on
HP Premium Photo Paper, glossy.

If this is the future of digital photography, than I might as well
stop...
--
Marc
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mt2gc
 
The problem is the paper. HP and Kodak will both do this. Use a decent absorbing paper. Both of these papers are garbage.

MT
John57 said:
I had this problem with ink migration using a EPSON 870 printer on
Kodak glossy paper of my late dad. After three years the pictures
are quite blurry. This upsets me somewhat to say at the least. I
can not believe that this is not more common. Since the ink dyes
are not as water resistance some glossy papers may be better in
controlling this migration when the humidly is high. The problem is
that I can not wait for a three year test on this. I never have a
problem with prints turning orange or yellow. This is happening
with the pictures I send to my mother in upstate New York. I trying
to find ways to solve this issue and I understand your feeelings.
Marc said:
I have recently looked at my colour photo prints made in March.
During the 7 month while the pictures were locked away in the dark,
the black ink seems to smear though the rest of the picture, making
the print very unsharp. Does anyone know how this comes?
I am using a HP970Cxi printer with HP's original ink and I print on
HP Premium Photo Paper, glossy.

If this is the future of digital photography, than I might as well
stop...
--
Marc
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mt2gc
 
Yes Major,

Also I have heard that OP paper may not be as good see the link below:

http://www.drycreekphoto.com/PrintTest/PrintTest.htm#Results

You will fine that it is not the only paper with poor water resistance.

You also could look at the official Eposn statement on print longevity
under ink jet printer announcements on their web page. Check and
see what Epson says about water resistance using the colorlife glossy paper.

I just wanted to point these things out. Thanks for your input.
Major Tom said:
MT
John57 said:
I had this problem with ink migration using a EPSON 870 printer on
Kodak glossy paper of my late dad. After three years the pictures
are quite blurry. This upsets me somewhat to say at the least. I
can not believe that this is not more common. Since the ink dyes
are not as water resistance some glossy papers may be better in
controlling this migration when the humidly is high. The problem is
that I can not wait for a three year test on this. I never have a
problem with prints turning orange or yellow. This is happening
with the pictures I send to my mother in upstate New York. I trying
to find ways to solve this issue and I understand your feeelings.
Marc said:
I have recently looked at my colour photo prints made in March.
During the 7 month while the pictures were locked away in the dark,
the black ink seems to smear though the rest of the picture, making
the print very unsharp. Does anyone know how this comes?
I am using a HP970Cxi printer with HP's original ink and I print on
HP Premium Photo Paper, glossy.

If this is the future of digital photography, than I might as well
stop...
--
Marc
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--
mt2gc
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John57 said:
Also I have heard that OP paper may not be as good see the link below:

http://www.drycreekphoto.com/PrintTest/PrintTest.htm#Results

Wow.....the testing info on this link shows that OD paper is a really bad choice.
You will fine that it is not the only paper with poor water
resistance.

You also could look at the official Eposn statement on print longevity
under ink jet printer announcements on their web page. Check and
see what Epson says about water resistance using the colorlife
glossy paper.

I just wanted to point these things out. Thanks for your input.
Major Tom said:
MT
John57 said:
I had this problem with ink migration using a EPSON 870 printer on
Kodak glossy paper of my late dad. After three years the pictures
are quite blurry. This upsets me somewhat to say at the least. I
can not believe that this is not more common. Since the ink dyes
are not as water resistance some glossy papers may be better in
controlling this migration when the humidly is high. The problem is
that I can not wait for a three year test on this. I never have a
problem with prints turning orange or yellow. This is happening
with the pictures I send to my mother in upstate New York. I trying
to find ways to solve this issue and I understand your feeelings.
Marc said:
I have recently looked at my colour photo prints made in March.
During the 7 month while the pictures were locked away in the dark,
the black ink seems to smear though the rest of the picture, making
the print very unsharp. Does anyone know how this comes?
I am using a HP970Cxi printer with HP's original ink and I print on
HP Premium Photo Paper, glossy.

If this is the future of digital photography, than I might as well
stop...
--
Marc
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mt2gc
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Thanks all for your reply.

I have also send my complaints to HP and obviously they replied in a standard way, not really give me a hint and it is surely not their fault!

If someone is interrested, I can make a scan of the same picture recently printed and the one where I am complaining about.

By the way, I do think my HP970 Cxi uses the black ink cartridge in pictures as well!

Marc
Double D said:
John57 said:
Also I have heard that OP paper may not be as good see the link below:

http://www.drycreekphoto.com/PrintTest/PrintTest.htm#Results

Wow.....the testing info on this link shows that OD paper is a really bad choice.
You will fine that it is not the only paper with poor water
resistance.

You also could look at the official Eposn statement on print longevity
under ink jet printer announcements on their web page. Check and
see what Epson says about water resistance using the colorlife
glossy paper.

I just wanted to point these things out. Thanks for your input.
Major Tom said:
MT
John57 said:
I had this problem with ink migration using a EPSON 870 printer on
Kodak glossy paper of my late dad. After three years the pictures
are quite blurry. This upsets me somewhat to say at the least. I
can not believe that this is not more common. Since the ink dyes
are not as water resistance some glossy papers may be better in
controlling this migration when the humidly is high. The problem is
that I can not wait for a three year test on this. I never have a
problem with prints turning orange or yellow. This is happening
with the pictures I send to my mother in upstate New York. I trying
to find ways to solve this issue and I understand your feeelings.
Marc said:
I have recently looked at my colour photo prints made in March.
During the 7 month while the pictures were locked away in the dark,
the black ink seems to smear though the rest of the picture, making
the print very unsharp. Does anyone know how this comes?
I am using a HP970Cxi printer with HP's original ink and I print on
HP Premium Photo Paper, glossy.

If this is the future of digital photography, than I might as well
stop...
--
Marc
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mt2gc
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Marc
 
It's the humidity. I am not sure which HP Preimim Plus photopaper you use, either the old 9mil ones or the new 240 gsm, 10 mils ones. The former smudge easily under humid conditions, and if kept in closet, then it gets damp during wet seasons.

My prints done with three color 930C is on display without glass for more tah 12 months now. It was printed on Kodak Ultima paper (not good for grain formation, but just about the only archival paper I can find in high street that is 'cheap' here in the UK at that time!) and they exhibit no smearing, because my sitting room has central heating and temperature is kept constant between 19 - 23 C. The prints are facing north and no direct sunlight, but natural lights illuminate my room everyday, and depending on the season, between 12 hours to 8 hours.

However, I do know that HP papers are not the best in this respect. Why not try some Ilford Galarie Classic series. It shows up grains more than the Smooth series, but ink is more stable with the no.78 inks you are using, either 970 or 930. Mine done on these papers are showing no smearing, but then again, the humidity is not high in the place I live here in the UK, even during the rainy autumn seasons.
SteveB said:
My guess is there was rather too much ink laid down, which can be a
problem if the Auto Enhance is on, contrast is high etc., and it
never dried properly in the darkest areas.
Marc said:
I have recently looked at my colour photo prints made in March.
During the 7 month while the pictures were locked away in the dark,
the black ink seems to smear though the rest of the picture, making
the print very unsharp. Does anyone know how this comes?
I am using a HP970Cxi printer with HP's original ink and I print on
HP Premium Photo Paper, glossy.

If this is the future of digital photography, than I might as well
stop...
--
Marc
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Fotografer
...like, a total himbo
 
Not really, Marc. Unless you get to print black text on photo paper, then the printer will allow the pigment black no.45 inks to mix with the color inks of the no.78.

If not, rarely will the Colorsmart driver employ the pigment black with the dye-colors. Very rarely, not never...

BTW, Marc, I believe your smearing of inks. It really happens with humidity is high(ish). If you keep yoour prints in low(ish) himidity conditions, this problem will be minimised.

Also paper choice is important. The old HP Premium Plus Photopaper (HP PPPP) the 9 mils ones are, as MT mentions, garbage. However, it seems the new HP PPPP (10mils or 230/240 gsm) is better in this respect.

Do an experiement with out already 'ruined' prints you have. Try to use the finger and scratch the print surface, if ink come off rather easily, then it's the old garbage from HP...
Marc said:
Thanks all for your reply.

I have also send my complaints to HP and obviously they replied in
a standard way, not really give me a hint and it is surely not
their fault!
If someone is interrested, I can make a scan of the same picture
recently printed and the one where I am complaining about.
By the way, I do think my HP970 Cxi uses the black ink cartridge in
pictures as well!

Marc
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Fotografer
...like, a total himbo
 
John57 said:
Marc,

I had this problem with ink migration using a EPSON 870 printer on
Kodak glossy paper of my late dad. After three years the pictures
are quite blurry. This upsets me somewhat to say at the least. I
can not believe that this is not more common. Since the ink dyes
are not as water resistance some glossy papers may be better in
controlling this migration when the humidly is high. The problem is
that I can not wait for a three year test on this.
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That is why places like this (and the Liban list) are so handy. You don't have to wait years. Even over three years ago, before the Epson 870 and 1270 had come out, the word on the street was always that Epson printers (like the Photo 1200 or the Photo EX) and Kodak papers were bad news. Prints that never really seemed to dry, terrible smeering and ink puddles, etc.

Ciao!

Joe
 
I'm not convinced of their results John. I've been using od paper for a couple of years at least on an hp and now a canon and have had no fading at all on un protected prints. It's also very water resistant, the most water resistant of the papers I have tested.

MT
John57 said:
Also I have heard that OP paper may not be as good see the link below:

http://www.drycreekphoto.com/PrintTest/PrintTest.htm#Results

You will fine that it is not the only paper with poor water
resistance.

You also could look at the official Eposn statement on print longevity
under ink jet printer announcements on their web page. Check and
see what Epson says about water resistance using the colorlife
glossy paper.

I just wanted to point these things out. Thanks for your input.
Major Tom said:
MT
John57 said:
I had this problem with ink migration using a EPSON 870 printer on
Kodak glossy paper of my late dad. After three years the pictures
are quite blurry. This upsets me somewhat to say at the least. I
can not believe that this is not more common. Since the ink dyes
are not as water resistance some glossy papers may be better in
controlling this migration when the humidly is high. The problem is
that I can not wait for a three year test on this. I never have a
problem with prints turning orange or yellow. This is happening
with the pictures I send to my mother in upstate New York. I trying
to find ways to solve this issue and I understand your feeelings.
Marc said:
I have recently looked at my colour photo prints made in March.
During the 7 month while the pictures were locked away in the dark,
the black ink seems to smear though the rest of the picture, making
the print very unsharp. Does anyone know how this comes?
I am using a HP970Cxi printer with HP's original ink and I print on
HP Premium Photo Paper, glossy.

If this is the future of digital photography, than I might as well
stop...
--
Marc
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mt2gc
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mt2gc
 
If you look at steven livick's tests the office depot really doesn't fare that bad, as compared with other papers.

http://www.livick.com/method/inkjet/pg2d.htm

The hp pinter, 7150, says od rated at 9 years. That's really good for his tests. His nails just about everything.

MT
Major Tom said:
MT
John57 said:
Also I have heard that OP paper may not be as good see the link below:

http://www.drycreekphoto.com/PrintTest/PrintTest.htm#Results

You will fine that it is not the only paper with poor water
resistance.

You also could look at the official Eposn statement on print longevity
under ink jet printer announcements on their web page. Check and
see what Epson says about water resistance using the colorlife
glossy paper.

I just wanted to point these things out. Thanks for your input.
Major Tom said:
MT
John57 said:
I had this problem with ink migration using a EPSON 870 printer on
Kodak glossy paper of my late dad. After three years the pictures
are quite blurry. This upsets me somewhat to say at the least. I
can not believe that this is not more common. Since the ink dyes
are not as water resistance some glossy papers may be better in
controlling this migration when the humidly is high. The problem is
that I can not wait for a three year test on this. I never have a
problem with prints turning orange or yellow. This is happening
with the pictures I send to my mother in upstate New York. I trying
to find ways to solve this issue and I understand your feeelings.
Marc said:
I have recently looked at my colour photo prints made in March.
During the 7 month while the pictures were locked away in the dark,
the black ink seems to smear though the rest of the picture, making
the print very unsharp. Does anyone know how this comes?
I am using a HP970Cxi printer with HP's original ink and I print on
HP Premium Photo Paper, glossy.

If this is the future of digital photography, than I might as well
stop...
--
Marc
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mt2gc
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