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It ain't about what we would like to get, it is about we could get.

The original ideas about the Foveon CCD are still great, but what is delivers is not even a shadow of we can buy at this moment.

Interpolated or not, not very interestig as only the result counts.

I iinvite you to buy a S2, as it is the best buy you have at this moment.

SD9 no way to go.

Not trolling, not bashing, well I would like to yell, get your feet on the earth, for just a couple of more Euros or Dollars, you can buy a very decent DSLR.

And in case you still would like to spend $ 1700 at a fish not that fresh, well do it, just order a thing not delivering what it should deliver.

I never ever have seen such a bunch of realy stupid people, still bashing around the qualities of this flawed design,

Last writing on the subject of SD( and Foveon CCD.

Karl wrote very fine and well over thought comments, Yes Kuddo's for Karl,

Have been reading 'are you blind' and many other threads, yes I think many of your are totaly blind,

jacques.

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jacques
 
Hi Geir,

I think I have been civil, well what that does mean. I feel I am polite, but....

Well I didn't feel liking to write an other post in this forum, so this one just is about your reaction.

Your reaction straight on isn't abusive, but the second feel is,

last post on this forum,

jacques.

BTW will not even read what your reaction is, as this forum is about those claiming to be seeing when totaly blind, or is it the other way around.
 
jacques said:
It ain't about what we would like to get, it is about we could get.

The original ideas about the Foveon CCD are still great, but what
is delivers is not even a shadow of we can buy at this moment.

Interpolated or not, not very interestig as only the result counts.

I iinvite you to buy a S2, as it is the best buy you have at this
moment.

SD9 no way to go.

Not trolling, not bashing, well I would like to yell, get your feet
on the earth, for just a couple of more Euros or Dollars, you can
buy a very decent DSLR.

And in case you still would like to spend $ 1700 at a fish not that
fresh, well do it, just order a thing not delivering what it should
deliver.

I never ever have seen such a bunch of realy stupid people, still
bashing around the qualities of this flawed design,

Last writing on the subject of SD( and Foveon CCD.

Karl wrote very fine and well over thought comments, Yes Kuddo's
for Karl,

Have been reading 'are you blind' and many other threads, yes I
think many of your are totaly blind,

jacques.

--
jacques
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The last of the trols,

Stupid people - get a life

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Regards,
Gavin
Canon Pro90IS, B-300 Canon Pro 70
 
This must be just one of Karl's other usernames. Karl should have created a profile with some brain, though. His own username (or whoever he is) was atleast trying to cover-up his biases with some reasoning...
jacques said:
It ain't about what we would like to get, it is about we could get.

The original ideas about the Foveon CCD are still great, but what
is delivers is not even a shadow of we can buy at this moment.

Interpolated or not, not very interestig as only the result counts.

I iinvite you to buy a S2, as it is the best buy you have at this
moment.

SD9 no way to go.

Not trolling, not bashing, well I would like to yell, get your feet
on the earth, for just a couple of more Euros or Dollars, you can
buy a very decent DSLR.

And in case you still would like to spend $ 1700 at a fish not that
fresh, well do it, just order a thing not delivering what it should
deliver.

I never ever have seen such a bunch of realy stupid people, still
bashing around the qualities of this flawed design,

Last writing on the subject of SD( and Foveon CCD.

Karl wrote very fine and well over thought comments, Yes Kuddo's
for Karl,

Have been reading 'are you blind' and many other threads, yes I
think many of your are totaly blind,

jacques.

--
jacques
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--
Best wishes,
Zoli
 
Zoltan Csuka said:
This must be just one of Karl's other usernames. Karl should have
created a profile with some brain, though. His own username (or
whoever he is) was atleast trying to cover-up his biases with some
reasoning...
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It was nice for a couple of says though. I don't understand why some people are so adament about bashing. Most don't go to the other fourms and bash their cameras in a destructive way. I have owned Canon cameras over the years and I would never bash Canon, besides they make excellent cameras.

Maybe over time things will get a little more constructive.
Zoltan Csuka said:
jacques said:
It ain't about what we would like to get, it is about we could get.

The original ideas about the Foveon CCD are still great, but what
is delivers is not even a shadow of we can buy at this moment.

Interpolated or not, not very interestig as only the result counts.

I iinvite you to buy a S2, as it is the best buy you have at this
moment.

SD9 no way to go.

Not trolling, not bashing, well I would like to yell, get your feet
on the earth, for just a couple of more Euros or Dollars, you can
buy a very decent DSLR.

And in case you still would like to spend $ 1700 at a fish not that
fresh, well do it, just order a thing not delivering what it should
deliver.

I never ever have seen such a bunch of realy stupid people, still
bashing around the qualities of this flawed design,

Last writing on the subject of SD( and Foveon CCD.

Karl wrote very fine and well over thought comments, Yes Kuddo's
for Karl,

Have been reading 'are you blind' and many other threads, yes I
think many of your are totaly blind,

jacques.

--
jacques
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--
Best wishes,
Zoli
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--
Regards,
Gavin
Canon Pro90IS, B-300 Canon Pro 70
 
My only camera is a Canon film camera. I like it... But I have to admit that these new Canon digital cameras attract a lot of psychos. They dont live a normal life (frustrated for whatever reason) and then buy one of these cameras and they immediately feel like a missionary in the amazone wilderness. This particular humanoid seems to own a Fuji camera (maybe) but most of those I got exposed to own a Canon camera.

I think once these cameras will be widely owned these initial missionaries will disappear into other forums (?tablet PC).
Gavin McKinlay said:
Zoltan Csuka said:
This must be just one of Karl's other usernames. Karl should have
created a profile with some brain, though. His own username (or
whoever he is) was atleast trying to cover-up his biases with some
reasoning...
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It was nice for a couple of says though. I don't understand why
some people are so adament about bashing. Most don't go to the
other fourms and bash their cameras in a destructive way. I have
owned Canon cameras over the years and I would never bash Canon,
besides they make excellent cameras.

Maybe over time things will get a little more constructive.
Gavin McKinlay38537 said:
jacques said:
It ain't about what we would like to get, it is about we could get.

The original ideas about the Foveon CCD are still great, but what
is delivers is not even a shadow of we can buy at this moment.

Interpolated or not, not very interestig as only the result counts.

I iinvite you to buy a S2, as it is the best buy you have at this
moment.

SD9 no way to go.

Not trolling, not bashing, well I would like to yell, get your feet
on the earth, for just a couple of more Euros or Dollars, you can
buy a very decent DSLR.

And in case you still would like to spend $ 1700 at a fish not that
fresh, well do it, just order a thing not delivering what it should
deliver.

I never ever have seen such a bunch of realy stupid people, still
bashing around the qualities of this flawed design,

Last writing on the subject of SD( and Foveon CCD.

Karl wrote very fine and well over thought comments, Yes Kuddo's
for Karl,

Have been reading 'are you blind' and many other threads, yes I
think many of your are totaly blind,

jacques.

--
jacques
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--
Best wishes,
Zoli
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--
Regards,
Gavin
Canon Pro90IS, B-300 Canon Pro 70
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--
Best wishes,
Zoli
 
jacques said:
It ain't about what we would like to get, it is about we could get.
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And also how much to pay to get...
Member said:
The original ideas about the Foveon CCD are still great, but what
is delivers is not even a shadow of we can buy at this moment.
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can u explain more?
Member said:
Interpolated or not, not very interestig as only the result counts.
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ar... how about quality per pixel? File size? storage? cost for the equipment? Software? Battery life?
Member said:
I iinvite you to buy a S2, as it is the best buy you have at this
moment.
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Please post this on Fujifilm forum.
Member said:
SD9 no way to go.
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Ar... Oh boy, you just ask us to tell u that are not welcome here...
Member said:
Not trolling, not bashing, well I would like to yell, get your feet
on the earth, for just a couple of more Euros or Dollars, you can
buy a very decent DSLR.
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If S2 goes down to $1700, it will be more competetable to SD9. Or say, more decent. I think both SD9 and S2 are both decent camera. For a real decent camera, waith 14n or 1Ds... u just need to pay "a little bit" more $$...
Member said:
And in case you still would like to spend $ 1700 at a fish not that
fresh, well do it, just order a thing not delivering what it should
deliver.
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What does SD9 not deliver? Why you say it is not fresh? Everyone have different purpose so there are so many kinds of camera in this world. Tell us What YOU want first then we can discuss about delivery. Of course, SD9 may not fit your requirement, but certainly it fit some others.
Member said:
I never ever have seen such a bunch of realy stupid people, still
bashing around the qualities of this flawed design,
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How civil u are to call others stupid... well, may be you are old enough to teach us Proverbs...
Member said:
Last writing on the subject of SD( and Foveon CCD.

Karl wrote very fine and well over thought comments, Yes Kuddo's
for Karl,
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I like Karl's point of view. But don't like his "bashing" behaviour. Now, u act even worse... just bash without any solid point of view.
Member said:
Have been reading 'are you blind' and many other threads, yes I
think many of your are totaly blind,
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com'on, if we are blind, who are going to read your post?? ;-)
Member said:
jacques.

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jacques
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C.Wolf
Kodak DC-120
Canon G1 + 420EX
 
jacques said:
It ain't about what we would like to get, it is about we could get.

The original ideas about the Foveon CCD are still great, but what
is delivers is not even a shadow of we can buy at this moment.

Interpolated or not, not very interestig as only the result counts.

I iinvite you to buy a S2, as it is the best buy you have at this
moment.

SD9 no way to go.

Not trolling, not bashing, well I would like to yell, get your feet
on the earth, for just a couple of more Euros or Dollars, you can
buy a very decent DSLR.

And in case you still would like to spend $ 1700 at a fish not that
fresh, well do it, just order a thing not delivering what it should
deliver.

I never ever have seen such a bunch of realy stupid people, still
bashing around the qualities of this flawed design,

Last writing on the subject of SD( and Foveon CCD.

Karl wrote very fine and well over thought comments, Yes Kuddo's
for Karl,

Have been reading 'are you blind' and many other threads, yes I
think many of your are totaly blind,

jacques.

--
jacques
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Hi All

Perhaps Jacques is just kidding around!(???) Ok, probably not.

I've been convinced that the Foveon technology will soon replace bayer pattern chips in the near future. Even so I remained a sceptic and to a certain extent still am a sceptic, about the Sigma camera.

However after seeing the casual photo's that Sam posted I'm much more open to taking this camera, limitations and all, seriously.

I was so impressed that I immediately posted something similar to Jacques although without the impolite words.

Jacques post is so off the wall, in the light of Sam's samples that he must be kidding, right?

For those who didn't get the joke in my post it started off by saying that the Foveon technology was clearly a failure and that since this is true, blah, blah, blah.

I thought people would get the joke because the logic was so flawed, (i.e. making a statement with no proof and using the statement as proof for succeding statments.) that everyone who know I was kidding. Only Sam himself picked up on it.

Well here's Jacques accusing us of being blind whiole Sam is busy posting really nice shots!

Dave
 
I thought this would be clear to everybody. If not, I recommend to learn the basics of photography. For example the relation of chip size, ISO, walking girls and depth of field at same aperture on different cams. It takes about a year to learn the basics for amateurs like us. If you dont believe it takes so long you still are a newbie not knowing it but probably already shooting nearly the same photos as a profi. We are all wrong so often. (I know what you like to reply, lol.)

I absolutely dont agree to the manner of J. post, it´s not okay to call all sigma fans idiots, they are surely not. But he is just a man. I wouldnt call him unfriendly just because he wrote a thread in the wrong way. He just wanted to make some guys here wake up.

It´s sure that the digimarket is big enough now that x3 now also has its place. Maybe even 20 percent in future. Who can afford a 9 MP monitor next years ?

How stupid to call one technology better than another. To both there is no succeedor on the horizont right now.
David Barkin said:
Hi All

Perhaps Jacques is just kidding around!(???) Ok, probably not.

I've been convinced that the Foveon technology will soon replace
bayer pattern chips in the near future. Even so I remained a
sceptic and to a certain extent still am a sceptic, about the Sigma
camera.

However after seeing the casual photo's that Sam posted I'm much
more open to taking this camera, limitations and all, seriously.

I was so impressed that I immediately posted something similar to
Jacques although without the impolite words.

Jacques post is so off the wall, in the light of Sam's samples that
he must be kidding, right?

For those who didn't get the joke in my post it started off by
saying that the Foveon technology was clearly a failure and that
since this is true, blah, blah, blah.

I thought people would get the joke because the logic was so
flawed, (i.e. making a statement with no proof and using the
statement as proof for succeding statments.) that everyone who know
I was kidding. Only Sam himself picked up on it.

Well here's Jacques accusing us of being blind whiole Sam is busy
posting really nice shots!

Dave
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Zoltan Csuka said:
This must be just one of Karl's other usernames. Karl should have
created a profile with some brain, though. His own username (or
whoever he is) was atleast trying to cover-up his biases with some
reasoning...
Click to expand...
No way. Karl speaks his (well-educated and experienced) mind. I happen to side with him on nearly everything he says too.

Any rational person couldn't think he'd be using a second username just to go out of his way to bash the camera.

--Steve
 
Please don't write comments in case you feel I 'm trolling as I ain't.

The ideas are fine and interesting,

just would lik eto say you just don't buy a GREAT idea, you buy a tool.

You buy a body and also have to spend on lenses, memory cards and so on,

Just Don't understand how you all are still willing to spend quite a lot of money on this camera.

I realy don't understand.

Mu F505V.

Did it happen to be the Great Excellence ? well it might, it might have not, but I did have a great time with it.

My F707 ? Great, different, difficult, but still realy Great, yes it have been so in in a less important way as the small F505V have been.

My S2, does it realy helps me to get / take / make / create better photographs, well it's in your judging.

But I know in a technical sence the tools are use have been on a scale of going in th eright direction, just for th etechnical part, the seeing isn't fit to the camera at all.

Seeing the outcome of the SD9, a camera I wrote about it would be the first DSLR I intended to buy, well it's just plain a destress, it's bad and I stay with my writings the F505V made better photographs.

I have been on this forums for about two years, I have written abot 5k plus comments, well I might be an idiot still, but I 'm not pulling anyone down into the gutters.

Still know, not feel, no realy know the up to day sensor and the camera are realy out of what can be bought slightly above it's price and also about what can be bought severe below it's price level.

And be sure this and all of the forums aren't about being in the line of the ideas of the posters, th ecamera forums aren't abot just lovers of a special camera.

I have had interest to read about this new technique, realy liked to see the photographs made with this new technique, but I realy disliked the responces of all your 'believers', knowing and seening the real story is different.

Well I wish you all to spend some $ 1500 for a not realy delivering body, with the other couple of k's for the lenses twrowen away too.

jacques.

In case you still think I'm kind of sick person, well it's all up to you, I would like to invite you to have a look at my photographs.

Last vissit for me to this forum, as the subject is a dead born child.

My E Mail address is real so incase you would like to write some thoughts of your own you are welcome.
 
(just joking)
Stephen Waits said:
Zoltan Csuka said:
This must be just one of Karl's other usernames. Karl should have
created a profile with some brain, though. His own username (or
whoever he is) was atleast trying to cover-up his biases with some
reasoning...
Click to expand...
No way. Karl speaks his (well-educated and experienced) mind. I
happen to side with him on nearly everything he says too.

Any rational person couldn't think he'd be using a second username
just to go out of his way to bash the camera.

--Steve
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--
Best wishes,
Zoli
 
and the cameras you owned before. And your opinion...
jacques said:
Please don't write comments in case you feel I 'm trolling as I ain't.

The ideas are fine and interesting,

just would lik eto say you just don't buy a GREAT idea, you buy a
tool.

You buy a body and also have to spend on lenses, memory cards and
so on,

Just Don't understand how you all are still willing to spend quite
a lot of money on this camera.

I realy don't understand.

Mu F505V.

Did it happen to be the Great Excellence ? well it might, it might
have not, but I did have a great time with it.

My F707 ? Great, different, difficult, but still realy Great, yes
it have been so in in a less important way as the small F505V have
been.

My S2, does it realy helps me to get / take / make / create better
photographs, well it's in your judging.

But I know in a technical sence the tools are use have been on a
scale of going in th eright direction, just for th etechnical part,
the seeing isn't fit to the camera at all.

Seeing the outcome of the SD9, a camera I wrote about it would be
the first DSLR I intended to buy, well it's just plain a destress,
it's bad and I stay with my writings the F505V made better
photographs.

I have been on this forums for about two years, I have written abot
5k plus comments, well I might be an idiot still, but I 'm not
pulling anyone down into the gutters.

Still know, not feel, no realy know the up to day sensor and the
camera are realy out of what can be bought slightly above it's
price and also about what can be bought severe below it's price
level.

And be sure this and all of the forums aren't about being in the
line of the ideas of the posters, th ecamera forums aren't abot
just lovers of a special camera.

I have had interest to read about this new technique, realy liked
to see the photographs made with this new technique, but I realy
disliked the responces of all your 'believers', knowing and seening
the real story is different.

Well I wish you all to spend some $ 1500 for a not realy delivering
body, with the other couple of k's for the lenses twrowen away too.

jacques.

In case you still think I'm kind of sick person, well it's all up
to you, I would like to invite you to have a look at my photographs.

Last vissit for me to this forum, as the subject is a dead born child.

My E Mail address is real so incase you would like to write some
thoughts of your own you are welcome.
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--
Best wishes,
Zoli
 
Hi Jacques

For about two months I've been operating under the asumption that the Foveon technology will replace Bayer in the near future (two years, three years?).

However I've been pretty sceptical about THIS Sigma camera. ISO, night shots, focus speed etc. Moreover I have an investment in Nikon mounted lenses (mostly Sigma and Tamron).

I like my D1x and even if the Sigma were a better camera I'm not about to alter my existing lenses to fit the Sigma and leave me without being able to use the Nikon.

BUT DID YOU SEE SAM'S SAMPLES?

These are real world shots, not great photo's - good photo's some of them very good.

Deep down inside I don't necessarily like to judge from msamples taken by a person who MIGHT have an agenda. Sam's agenda is to enjoy photography.

No artifacts, no color blooms. Just as Sigma has posted these problems were bugs and they seem to have straigtned them out.

I wont give a copmplete arguement about why I'm so excited about Foveon, but aside from whether this camera is better then I expected, some day I will buy a new camera. It's possible that I might buy this one.

Dave
jacques said:
Please don't write comments in case you feel I 'm trolling as I ain't.

The ideas are fine and interesting,

just would lik eto say you just don't buy a GREAT idea, you buy a
tool.

You buy a body and also have to spend on lenses, memory cards and
so on,

Just Don't understand how you all are still willing to spend quite
a lot of money on this camera.

I realy don't understand.

Mu F505V.

Did it happen to be the Great Excellence ? well it might, it might
have not, but I did have a great time with it.

My F707 ? Great, different, difficult, but still realy Great, yes
it have been so in in a less important way as the small F505V have
been.

My S2, does it realy helps me to get / take / make / create better
photographs, well it's in your judging.

But I know in a technical sence the tools are use have been on a
scale of going in th eright direction, just for th etechnical part,
the seeing isn't fit to the camera at all.

Seeing the outcome of the SD9, a camera I wrote about it would be
the first DSLR I intended to buy, well it's just plain a destress,
it's bad and I stay with my writings the F505V made better
photographs.

I have been on this forums for about two years, I have written abot
5k plus comments, well I might be an idiot still, but I 'm not
pulling anyone down into the gutters.

Still know, not feel, no realy know the up to day sensor and the
camera are realy out of what can be bought slightly above it's
price and also about what can be bought severe below it's price
level.

And be sure this and all of the forums aren't about being in the
line of the ideas of the posters, th ecamera forums aren't abot
just lovers of a special camera.

I have had interest to read about this new technique, realy liked
to see the photographs made with this new technique, but I realy
disliked the responces of all your 'believers', knowing and seening
the real story is different.

Well I wish you all to spend some $ 1500 for a not realy delivering
body, with the other couple of k's for the lenses twrowen away too.

jacques.

In case you still think I'm kind of sick person, well it's all up
to you, I would like to invite you to have a look at my photographs.

Last vissit for me to this forum, as the subject is a dead born child.

My E Mail address is real so incase you would like to write some
thoughts of your own you are welcome.
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I agree somewhat with David, in that my next camera will probably be a Foveon sensor camera. The shots that Sam has been providing look extremely good. My only concern is the implementation of it in the first generation. All of Sam's shots have been under reasonably good conditions. With this in mind, the SD9 is truly remarkable.

But it will be interesting to see if it has the limitations that are suggested in its specs. What about action shots, low light action shots, its WB control inside a gym or at night on a football field. What about its ability with flash and its night abilities. All of these will show if it is has the ability to perform.

I'm not flaming the SD9, so please don't everybody jump on me. The Foveon has shown that it CAN be a great tool. It will be interesting to see the SD9 put through all of its paces and I will be reading them with anticipation!
--
Mike
 
Hi Mike

I actually use my photography to make money. Yet at the same time I'm not a pro photographer, rather an artist.

I went out and bought a D1x to make money.

Why am I impressed with Foveon?

I print at 16 x 20 and up. My images are surealistic and many of them are loaded with detail. Before the D1x I depended chiefly on scans for my images. The D1x has given me much more flexibility. But I am far from satisfied.

Working with the Foveon samples that Phil posted I learned that these images interpolate up much like my high quality scans of film. This will give me the ability to crop and interpolate my images and make much higher quality quality final prints.

I agree with you about THIS camera although Sam is going a good way toward proving its usefullness. While his night samples just posted are so so, the action shots are just fine and all the other images are of a very high quality.

This is not to say that I can't match this quality with my present camera but my own tests conducted for my own benefit show me that crops and upward interpolation cannot be matched with my existing equipment.

But overall, I agree with you on waiting for alot more information about this camera.

Dave
Mike Ditta said:
I agree somewhat with David, in that my next camera will probably
be a Foveon sensor camera. The shots that Sam has been providing
look extremely good. My only concern is the implementation of it in
the first generation. All of Sam's shots have been under reasonably
good conditions. With this in mind, the SD9 is truly remarkable.
But it will be interesting to see if it has the limitations that
are suggested in its specs. What about action shots, low light
action shots, its WB control inside a gym or at night on a football
field. What about its ability with flash and its night abilities.
All of these will show if it is has the ability to perform.
I'm not flaming the SD9, so please don't everybody jump on me. The
Foveon has shown that it CAN be a great tool. It will be
interesting to see the SD9 put through all of its paces and I will
be reading them with anticipation!
--
Mike
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David Barkin said:
BUT DID YOU SEE SAM'S SAMPLES?
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Sam and Tony are both moving up from fixed lens cameras, and had no prior experience with interchange lens cameras. This is a move I want to make myself. In addition, a lot of the shots were taking with either S or P priority and not in full manual. So there may still be room for adjustment in-camera that has not been explored.

But when an inexperienced person like Sam can do those shots, I like to see samples of this camera in the hands of an experienced protographer.

--
jc
Sony F707
http://www.reefkeepers.org/gallery/f707
http://www.reeftec.com/gallery
 
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