A Few Pics With The F550EXR

Wll

I think you have been entirely pleasant and reasonable with your comments and pictures from your new camera.
Keep learning, and keep posting pics, some of us really appreciate the effort.

I think this camera is another one that will be vindicated in time from the harsh critics, it certainly appears to be a real contender for top 'travel zoom' type camera.

Billx08 said:

wll said:

You guys are a lot more critical than I am, I just think the photos are kind of nice.

Nothing fancy, no award winning images, just taking pics of stuff ;- )

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If they please you that's all you need. But the blown highlights are really obvious. Pixel peeping isn't needed to see them nor is a histogram needed. You seem extremely sensitive to criticism, assuming that all criticism must be negative and not positive. But as I said, they were nice photos. With a little experience you should not have much trouble making them even nicer, but I guess that you'd rather just push the button and not worry about such things. The photos you posted might even make some people decide to buy a different camera. Wouldn't you rather show them how good the F550 can be instead?

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Nick, I think you and I both know who is being extremely sensitive! and it aint Wll!

NIK11 said:

Billx08 said:

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NIK11 said:

Billx08 said:

wll said:

You guys are a lot more critical than I am, I just think the photos are kind of nice.

Nothing fancy, no award winning images, just taking pics of stuff ;- )

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You seem extremely sensitive to criticism, assuming that all criticism must be negative and not positive.

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'Extremely sensitive'. Where did that come from? I thought he seemed well balanced, relaxed and happy - something of a rarity on this forum which is probably why you missed it.

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Sure, relaxed and happy as long as nobody points out the obvious. Perhaps DPR should create a Stepford Husbands and Wives forum, where everything is seen to be perfect and flaws always slip under the radar and the skies are not cloudy all day. Most of the "well balanced and relaxed" photographers I've seen in DPR's forums would have offered thanks for the criticism and showed a willingness to learn something from it. There are lots of other places than DPR where people post their snapshots such as Flickr, but even there people are usually able to discuss their photos without hearing "You guys are a lot more critical than I am." If you see obvious ways to improve photos you'd want to keep it to yourself? This wasn't slamming the F550, blown highlights can be produced by any camera. But tell me, are they so non-obvious that you didn't notice the blown highlights, did you want to avoid appearing "critical", or did miss them because you only give the photos the briefest of glances?

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You seem to have missed my point. My interpretation is that the OP is not 'extremely sensitive to criticism' as you suggested, but is simply saying that you (Fuji) guys are more picky than is the OP, probably a reference to Paul's comment on CMOS edge sharpness. Read it again, I really can't see why you take offence so easily at this, nor why you feel you should be thanked when the OP is already quite happy with the F550 output.

Nick

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Some members on this forum launch into a tirade about "you can't be a proper photographer like me" if you happen to even slightly disagree with them.

But most here are greatful for the opportunity to share your experience and pictures and learn about new equipment.
Keep up the good work Wll and please continue to share your experience.

rattymouse said:

wll said:

I very pleased with this little camera. After reading all the gloom and doom and Fuji produces lousy cameras and bla, bla bla ..... I honestly don't know where some of you are coming from.

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You cannot see all the lens flare found in the various examples posted here in the forum by F550 users? Well, some of us are not so blessed to have such an uncritical eye.

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Daniel Lowe said:

Wll

I think you have been entirely pleasant and reasonable with your comments and pictures from your new camera.
Keep learning, and keep posting pics, some of us really appreciate the effort.

I think this camera is another one that will be vindicated in time from the harsh critics, it certainly appears to be a real contender for top 'travel zoom' type camera.

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Another fan boy who simply cannot see lens flare.

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http://fujifilmimages.aminus3.com/

These photos do seem good, not very good, but good (not talking about the photographer, but about the camera)...i was very interested in the F550exr...seems like a good idea...raw, EXR and etc...but from the samples i have seem, at the wide end (4.4mm) the camera has one soft side, usually the right from the samples ive seen in flickr. But smearing is very present, even in 8mp photos, like one of yours that was not posted here...if you dont mind, respectfully im posting the link:

http://imageevent.com/wlleven/k10dtest/downloadphotos?p=6&n=1&m=24&c=4&l=0&w=2&s=0&z=9

Water is not very well presented also, as i saw in the comparison between the HS20 and FZ35....

Please all of you remember im not a regular poster here, im just talking about what im seeing...my impressions so far...IMHO fuji shouldnt drop the 1/1.6 sensor...and to make a 24-360mm lens odes require a lot of compromises....they should (again, please just my opinion) make a LX, XZ, S95 competitor, by using a 24-70 or 90mm and use the old sensor, since it does look very good....and of course the X100 proves that Fuji can make pretty excellent lenses...

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I could be a much better photographer if i was out there taking pictures, instead of talking here at dpreview....

Shhhh!! did you guys hear something? like tiny insignificant ranting!

There it goes again...rant.....rant......rant

What is that!!

rattymouse said:

Daniel Lowe said:

Wll

I think you have been entirely pleasant and reasonable with your comments and pictures from your new camera.
Keep learning, and keep posting pics, some of us really appreciate the effort.

I think this camera is another one that will be vindicated in time from the harsh critics, it certainly appears to be a real contender for top 'travel zoom' type camera.

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Another fan boy who simply cannot see lens flare.

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http://fujifilmimages.aminus3.com/

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Daniel "If Fuji go tits up said:

Wll

I think you have been entirely pleasant and reasonable with your comments and pictures from your new camera.
Keep learning, and keep posting pics, some of us really appreciate the effort.

I think this camera is another one that will be vindicated in time from the harsh critics, it certainly appears to be a real contender for top 'travel zoom' type camera.

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Verrry Interesting. You make it appear that you are addressing wii, yet the forum thread not only shows that it a direct reply to my reply, it also quotes my entire reply (see below). Very odd, since less than 24 hours ago you wrote :

Daniel Lowe said:

I have placed you and all your friends on ignore, you add nothing but division and destruction to forums like this.

I look forward to not being able to see your reply or any more posts from the 'Fuji rage boys'

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http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1012&message=38275587

Daniel Lowe said:

Billx08 said:

wll said:

You guys are a lot more critical than I am, I just think the photos are kind of nice.

Nothing fancy, no award winning images, just taking pics of stuff ;- )

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If they please you that's all you need. But the blown highlights are really obvious. Pixel peeping isn't needed to see them nor is a histogram needed. You seem extremely sensitive to criticism, assuming that all criticism must be negative and not positive. But as I said, they were nice photos. With a little experience you should not have much trouble making them even nicer, but I guess that you'd rather just push the button and not worry about such things. The photos you posted might even make some people decide to buy a different camera. Wouldn't you rather show them how good the F550 can be instead?

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Hi wll,

These are really nice images. Especially the bike shots.

The F550 delivers good images, I think it is better than the F300.

The F200 has tendency to underexposured a little bit and the F300 has tendency to overexposured a little, I guess the F550 is similar to F300.

Thanks for sharing and keep them coming.

If possible could you post some pictures captured with Velvia mode?

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Best Regards,

Danny

'Close enough is good enough, I just come here for fun

Fujifilm Alternate Low Light Solution'

Atta boy, NIK. Needed to be said. Unfortunately, over and over. And over again.

NIK11 said:

Billx08 said:

wll said:

You guys are a lot more critical than I am, I just think the photos are kind of nice.

Nothing fancy, no award winning images, just taking pics of stuff ;- )

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You seem extremely sensitive to criticism, assuming that all criticism must be negative and not positive.

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'Extremely sensitive'. Where did that come from? I thought he seemed well balanced, relaxed and happy - something of a rarity on this forum which is probably why you missed it.

Nick

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Tim, FZ18, F20

Since this seems to be one of Ratty's favorite expressions, and since I had the unwelcome experience in seeing it in one of my earliest HS20 test shots, I thought I'd look into the issue a little further.

First, I tried to review all the photos Daniel Lowe has submitted, minus the one on video. A very agreeable chore, but not perhaps exhaustive because I could find no specific picture with obvious lens flare. Surely nothing so egregious as my HS20 shot.

Then I did a search of the web for examples of lens flare. All the examples fit my understanding of the term.

All of which leaves me wondering what exactly the vaunted Ratty was referring to in his epithet.

rattymouse said:

Daniel Lowe said:

Wll

I think you have been entirely pleasant and reasonable with your comments and pictures from your new camera.
Keep learning, and keep posting pics, some of us really appreciate the effort.

I think this camera is another one that will be vindicated in time from the harsh critics, it certainly appears to be a real contender for top 'travel zoom' type camera.

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Another fan boy who simply cannot see lens flare.

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http://fujifilmimages.aminus3.com/

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Tim, FZ18, F20

Can't see why you're not a regular, worldcup; I think there's a clique you'll fit right into.

Water varies widely throughout environments. I (and presumably you) didn't see the water various posters have, so neither of us can responsibly make the statement you made. However, I'll be the first to admit I've seen some pretty unfamiliar looking water here of late.

Interesting you glommed onto a photo wll understandably chose not to post himself. Perhaps I have not developed your advanced expertise in the field of smearing, because I, in all humility, see only a photo where nothing seems to be in clear focus. But, not being a student of the high art of smear spotting, nor caring to become one, I leave you to your conclusion.

worldcup1982 said:

These photos do seem good, not very good, but good (not talking about the photographer, but about the camera)...i was very interested in the F550exr...seems like a good idea...raw, EXR and etc...but from the samples i have seem, at the wide end (4.4mm) the camera has one soft side, usually the right from the samples ive seen in flickr. But smearing is very present, even in 8mp photos, like one of yours that was not posted here...if you dont mind, respectfully im posting the link:

http://imageevent.com/wlleven/k10dtest/downloadphotos?p=6&n=1&m=24&c=4&l=0&w=2&s=0&z=9

Water is not very well presented also, as i saw in the comparison between the HS20 and FZ35....

Please all of you remember im not a regular poster here, im just talking about what im seeing...my impressions so far...IMHO fuji shouldnt drop the 1/1.6 sensor...and to make a 24-360mm lens odes require a lot of compromises....they should (again, please just my opinion) make a LX, XZ, S95 competitor, by using a 24-70 or 90mm and use the old sensor, since it does look very good....and of course the X100 proves that Fuji can make pretty excellent lenses...

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I could be a much better photographer if i was out there taking pictures, instead of talking here at dpreview....

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Tim, FZ18, F20

The lens flare is the big issue with the F550, not HS20, the reply in question was referring to the f550. I am an F550 owner (for now..) and very upset about the flare issues left unchecked by Fujifilm, an established camera manufacturer.

Tim39 said:

Since this seems to be one of Ratty's favorite expressions, and since I had the unwelcome experience in seeing it in one of my earliest HS20 test shots, I thought I'd look into the issue a little further.

First, I tried to review all the photos Daniel Lowe has submitted, minus the one on video. A very agreeable chore, but not perhaps exhaustive because I could find no specific picture with obvious lens flare. Surely nothing so egregious as my HS20 shot.

Then I did a search of the web for examples of lens flare. All the examples fit my understanding of the term.

All of which leaves me wondering what exactly the vaunted Ratty was referring to in his epithet.

rattymouse said:

Daniel Lowe said:

Wll

I think you have been entirely pleasant and reasonable with your comments and pictures from your new camera.
Keep learning, and keep posting pics, some of us really appreciate the effort.

I think this camera is another one that will be vindicated in time from the harsh critics, it certainly appears to be a real contender for top 'travel zoom' type camera.

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Another fan boy who simply cannot see lens flare.

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http://fujifilmimages.aminus3.com/

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Tim, FZ18, F20

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... Nice ones. Glad you are enjoying the camera.

I have the F200 EXR and one thing I do is always shoot at DR200 % and keep the EV at minus 0.33. Helps a lot.

Keep enjoying it.
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Cheers, Dave.
Have fun - take lotsa pix.

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... Cool. I like both those, especially the texture in the second one.
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Cheers, Dave.
Have fun - take lotsa pix.

http://eyemindsoul.blogspot.com/

DS21 said:

The lens flare is the big issue with the F550, not HS20, the reply in question was referring to the f550. I am an F550 owner (for now..) and very upset about the flare issues left unchecked by Fujifilm, an established camera manufacturer.

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I'd be VERY upset too if I found such miserable quality which is increasingly becoming typical of Fujifilm cameras.

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http://fujifilmimages.aminus3.com/

Tim39 said:

Can't see why you're not a regular, worldcup; I think there's a clique you'll fit right into.

Water varies widely throughout environments. I (and presumably you) didn't see the water various posters have, so neither of us can responsibly make the statement you made. However, I'll be the first to admit I've seen some pretty unfamiliar looking water here of late.

Interesting you glommed onto a photo wll understandably chose not to post himself. Perhaps I have not developed your advanced expertise in the field of smearing, because I, in all humility, see only a photo where nothing seems to be in clear focus. But, not being a student of the high art of smear spotting, nor caring to become one, I leave you to your conclusion.

worldcup1982 said:

These photos do seem good, not very good, but good (not talking about the photographer, but about the camera)...i was very interested in the F550exr...seems like a good idea...raw, EXR and etc...but from the samples i have seem, at the wide end (4.4mm) the camera has one soft side, usually the right from the samples ive seen in flickr. But smearing is very present, even in 8mp photos, like one of yours that was not posted here...if you dont mind, respectfully im posting the link:

http://imageevent.com/wlleven/k10dtest/downloadphotos?p=6&n=1&m=24&c=4&l=0&w=2&s=0&z=9

Water is not very well presented also, as i saw in the comparison between the HS20 and FZ35....

Please all of you remember im not a regular poster here, im just talking about what im seeing...my impressions so far...IMHO fuji shouldnt drop the 1/1.6 sensor...and to make a 24-360mm lens odes require a lot of compromises....they should (again, please just my opinion) make a LX, XZ, S95 competitor, by using a 24-70 or 90mm and use the old sensor, since it does look very good....and of course the X100 proves that Fuji can make pretty excellent lenses...

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I could be a much better photographer if i was out there taking pictures, instead of talking here at dpreview....

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Tim, FZ18, F20

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Tim if your always going to give out these snide comments at least read all the posts first. The image worldcup linked to was one of mine taken with my F550, it has nothing to do with wll.

Both exposure and focus are reported as good in the exif, it's the smearing that's giving the impression of an out of focus shot.

Paul.

I am not a pixel peeper. Heck, I don't even know a lot about photography but I want to learn.

Yesterday I was taking a walk in the woods and moors. I took a few photo's but I'm not quite pleased with them. Maybe I'm doing something wrong here.

The photo's I shot were taken in bright sunlight. And even with -0.67 most off my photo's were whitish ( is that a word?) and not sharp. and also, in auto exr-mode, the camera tried to take photo's in the forest itself in SN-mode at 1000 ISO :/
In first sight the first 2 photo's seem nice, but when you expand.....

Most times I'm using auto mode (yes, I'm sorry) but what seems strange to me is that when set in landscape mode it still chooses al low diafragma, like 3.5. Is that normal?

Tim39 said:

Can't see why you're not a regular, worldcup; I think there's a clique you'll fit right into.

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Probably if you read what you wrote, you will understand....

Tim39 said:

Water varies widely throughout environments. I (and presumably you) didn't see the water various posters have, so neither of us can responsibly make the statement you made. However, I'll be the first to admit I've seen some pretty unfamiliar looking water here of late.

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Well the samples ive seen from all BSI sensors dont look good (to my taste of course)

Tim39 said:

Interesting you glommed onto a photo wll understandably chose not to post himself. Perhaps I have not developed your advanced expertise in the field of smearing, because I, in all humility, see only a photo where nothing seems to be in clear focus. But, not being a student of the high art of smear spotting, nor caring to become one, I leave you to your conclusion.

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Humility is the last thing that comes to my mind reading this quote, because even if im not an expert in the high art of maliciousness and cynicism, i can spot an artist when im talking to one....

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worldcup1982 said:

These photos do seem good, not very good, but good (not talking about the photographer, but about the camera)...i was very interested in the F550exr...seems like a good idea...raw, EXR and etc...but from the samples i have seem, at the wide end (4.4mm) the camera has one soft side, usually the right from the samples ive seen in flickr. But smearing is very present, even in 8mp photos, like one of yours that was not posted here...if you dont mind, respectfully im posting the link:

http://imageevent.com/wlleven/k10dtest/downloadphotos?p=6&n=1&m=24&c=4&l=0&w=2&s=0&z=9

Water is not very well presented also, as i saw in the comparison between the HS20 and FZ35....

Please all of you remember im not a regular poster here, im just talking about what im seeing...my impressions so far...IMHO fuji shouldnt drop the 1/1.6 sensor...and to make a 24-360mm lens odes require a lot of compromises....they should (again, please just my opinion) make a LX, XZ, S95 competitor, by using a 24-70 or 90mm and use the old sensor, since it does look very good....and of course the X100 proves that Fuji can make pretty excellent lenses...

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I could be a much better photographer if i was out there taking pictures, instead of talking here at dpreview....

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Tim, FZ18, F20

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I could be a much better photographer if i was out there taking pictures, instead of talking here at dpreview....

rattymouse said:

DS21 said:

The lens flare is the big issue with the F550, not HS20, the reply in question was referring to the f550. I am an F550 owner (for now..) and very upset about the flare issues left unchecked by Fujifilm, an established camera manufacturer.

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I'd be VERY upset too if I found such miserable quality which is increasingly becoming typical of Fujifilm cameras.

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http://fujifilmimages.aminus3.com/

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I was very happy the first day with the F550, daytime shots looked OK, camera looks cool, like a quality product. Then things started popping up. First, overexposures at night. Then blowing highlights on an EXR camera at default settings. Then lens flares. After that, missed focuses (total front focus) on 50% of the social snaps in a dimly lit environment, with flash and AF assist lamp on (embarrassing in front of my friends). Then, very dark videos in indoor lighting with hunting focus if face detect is on, and that was the MAIN reason I wanted this camera, to finally have good video on an F series camera after F31, and have good stills in the package as well. Fuji promotional literature stated EXR SN is finally available in video mode, so I was obviously fooled. And, recently I realized that even the great AWB performance of F70 and F300 is not kept here, the F550 misses a lot of mixed lighting/incandescent white balance situations which F70 gets right 90% of the time. This camera requires so much intervention by the shooter to get good results, that it misses the point of point and shoot camera completely, I may as well buy an SLR and not look silly fiddling with the settings on an small camera all the time.

I might leave AE bracketing on permanently, until Adobe supports the F550EXR. I set bracketing to 2/3 and preferred the minus image here, because it didn't wash out the light-pink petal tips. Possibly the way to shoot this camera is with exposure compensation set permanently -1/3 and AE bracketing the way I have it.